Jonathan h. Cole has uploaded a new videoclip!

More videos! That's great. It must prove something, right! If something is something, then there's more of it. And if there's more of something, then ether's certainly more videos.

Marokkaan, even though I have you on IGNORE, I think this is the right way to be doing things. Post as many links to things as you can. This will certainly do whatever you want it to do.

Next time you post a video or another link, make a wish, and I'm sure that wish will come true.

Fight the good fight my Truther friend. The future depends on you!!

9/11 Truth...9/11 Truth...fighting tyranny since 1963.
 
ProBonoShill said:
Joe Blow uploaded a new video!

Meanwhile back at the ranch.....
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HawksFan said:
That's nice, Marokkaan. Now go run along and play.
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Stop being so negative. Didn't your parents teach you any manners? You shouldn't laugh at people just because they have trouble learning. If he likes posting videos and links, then just let him.

...and a message to all you Truthers out there. Next time you post a link or a video, close your eyes and make a wish. It's certain to come true.
 
Marokkaan, that video uses the word expert a lot. Since you are promoting this video, could you define the word and tells us why an expert in some field has something relevant to say about an event that is not within their area of expertise? I am not talking bout what firemen claim they saw or heard, but about the various expert's opinio on how the WTC collapsed.

For example, I am an expert in conducting radiological control surveys during nuclear propulsion plant maintenance, but my opinions on issues outside of my field are not to be taken that seriously.

That video runs over 15 minutes, surely that was enough time to make some of the quotes that were mined a bit more lengthy? Was it necessary to cut them off so quick?

Ranb
 
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Ranb said:
Marokkaan, that video uses the word expert a lot. Since you are promoting this video, could you define the word and tells us why an expert in some field has anything relevant to say about an event that is not within their area of expertise?

For example, I am an expert in conducting radiological control surveys during nuclear propulsion plant maintenance, but my opinions on issues outside of my field are not to be taken that seriously.

Ranb
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MAybe you should ask, ryan mackey, or one of your debunker friends here at jref.
 
Scott Sommers said:
...and a message to all you Truthers out there. Next time you post a link or a video, close your eyes and make a wish. It's certain to come true.
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<Click their heals and repeat> There's more people like me............there's more people like me..........there's more...............


:rolleyes:
 
could you define the word [expert] and tells us why an expert in some field has anything relevant to say about an event that is not within their area of expertise?
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Marokkaan said:
MAybe you should ask, ryan mackey, or one of your debunker friends here at jref.
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Wait a minute. I think this has to stop right here. Stop simply replying to questions about a person's expertise who are offering differing opinions on 9/11 with a dismissive "what about [insert JREF name]?".

Neither Mackey nor anyone else on here are offering their OPINION on anything outside of their expertise. What they are doing is offering their expertise and education in interpreting the results of a very thorough engineering report. They are NOT simply stating "This is what happened. Take my word for it.".

Which is essentially all that the truth movement is doing. Most notably with their "over 1600 A & E's" banner. Most of which are offering opinions outside of their expertise and education, have only signed a petition and NONE of which have bothered themselves to actually put something down for review proving their theories [Harrit being the exception. And we've seen how THAT turned out for him!].

I'm sure someone knows the proper logical fallacy name [false comparison fallacy?] for what you are attempting.
 
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Wait a minute. I think this has to stop right here. Stop simply replying to questions about a person's expertise who are offering differing opinions on 9/11 with a dismissive "what about [insert JREF name]?".

Neither Mackey nor anyone else on here are offering their OPINION on anything outside of their expertise. What they are doing is offering their expertise and education in interpreting the results of a very thorough engineering report. They are NOT simply stating "This is what happened. Take my word for it.".

Which is essentially all that the truth movement is doing. Most notably with their "over 1600 A & E's" banner. Most of which are offering opinions outside of their expertise and education, have only signed a petition and NONE of which have bothered themselves to actually put something down for review proving their theories [Harrit being the exception. And we've seen how THAT turned out for him!].

I'm sure someone knows the proper logical fallacy name [false comparison fallacy?] for what you are attempting.
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This is way too much thinking.

We're all looking for these complicated reasons why Truthers say the silly things they do. I'm working on a new idea. Truthers are those kids whose parents never told them the reason the other kids were laughing at them is that they were just being silly. And if they'd just stop saying those crazy things and acting like ninnies, the other kids would stop treating like like they were fools. So those Truthers, they grew up saying the darndest things, thinking it was cool or something. In a sense, it's kind of a good thing. Where else could you find the kind of person who puke all over themselves at a party and think that it made them an interesting person? 9/11 Truth, that's where you'd go.
 
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Marokkaan said:
MAybe you should ask, ryan mackey, or one of your debunker friends here at jref.
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If you were to take a look at my profile and posting history, you would see that I have no friends here and am at odds with many other forum members.

You are the one promoting the video so you are the video expert I am requesting information from. My request was not intended to be ironic, misleading or insulting; so perhaps you can give me a straight answer? Whenever I post a video, I am prepared to defend it or even back down from a claim that I may be making with it. Can I expect the same from you?

Man or mouse, it is up to you.

Ranb
 
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DGM said:
Maybe you should read his posting history...............................
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Haha, I think I do not need to, I may be learning all I need to know about him with his first reply to me. I would rather get a rational answer though.

I have so few friends in real life and online that I think it is very presumptuous for anyone to tell me I have a friend that I never recall hearing of before (sorry ryan mackey :) )

Ranb
 
Ranb said:
I have so few friends in real life and online that I think it is very presumptuous for anyone to tell me I have a friend that I never recall hearing of before (sorry ryan mackey :) )

Ranb
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Again, you need to read his posting history. You're assuming he thinks (or actually reads your post) before posting.

;)
 
Holy crap!! Cole bangs the old "jet fuel melted steel" drum?! Seriously? The oldest strawman in the book? And he refers to old newspaper quotemines?

But aren't dozends upon dozends of AE911T signers about the last people who still think about melted steel?

Seriously - Marokkaan wants to debate "jet fuel melted steel"? Is this 2002 all over again??
 
DGM said:
Again, you need to read his posting history. You're assuming he thinks (or actually reads your post) before posting.
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You're on to something here. :) I did assume that he was reading my posts before replying; just wishful thinking I guess.

Am I assuming too much to think that he watched the video before posting it here? I hope not. If he did not carefully view and research the claims made in the video, then I guess I was wasting my time asking him to support the claims made in it and answer questions about it.

I am beginning to feel that I have wasted my time posting here. I could have spent that time planning my next muffler project. Nuts.

Ranb
 
Oystein said:
Holy crap!! Cole bangs the old "jet fuel melted steel" drum?! Seriously? The oldest strawman in the book? And he refers to old newspaper quotemines?

But aren't dozends upon dozends of AE911T signers about the last people who still think about melted steel?

Seriously - Marokkaan wants to debate "jet fuel melted steel"? Is this 2002 all over again??
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I liked how he told us to listen to the first reports before the "experts told us what to believe".

What a moron.
 
Ranb said:
Am I assuming too much to think that he watched the video before posting it here? If he did not carefully view and research the claims made in the video, then I guess I was wasting my time asking him to support the claims made in it and answer questions about it.

Ranb
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I'm sure he watched it. The fact it appeared to support his world view is all the "research" he needs.

Let me put it this way. If you keep asking him to support his view, he will put you on ignore (for not wanting to "debate").
 
Ranb said:
If you were to take a look at my profile and posting history, you would see that I have no friends here and am at odds with many other forum members.

You are the one promoting the video so you are the video expert I am requesting information from. My request was not intended to be ironic, misleading or insulting; so perhaps you can give me a straight answer? Whenever I post a video, I am prepared to defend it or even back down from a claim that I may be making with it. Can I expect the same from you?

Man or mouse, it is up to you.

Ranb
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Thats a pity, i would also ask, why a man like chris mohr, has a succesful thread, with his attention to the subject 9/11 and his expertise about it here at jref.

But ok i will answer for you.

First of all, where do you see, im defending this videoclip.

The second, do you know a lot of research has not done by himself but by others.

The third could you comment, where do you think in the clip, he does not have the expertise to talk about it or where he is wrong.

The fourth, why is the expert thing important for you?
 
Marokkaan said:
MAybe you should ask, ryan mackey, or one of your debunker friends here at jref.
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In reference to the above... If you all did ask me, my advice would be to Ignore this individual, if you can't exercise the self-restraint to avoid propagating yet another obvious troll thread.
 
Ranb said:
You're on to something here. :) I did assume that he was reading my posts before replying; just wishful thinking I guess.

Am I assuming too much to think that he watched the video before posting it here? I hope not. If he did not carefully view and research the claims made in the video, then I guess I was wasting my time asking him to support the claims made in it and answer questions about it.

I am beginning to feel that I have wasted my time posting here. I could have spent that time planning my next muffler project. Nuts.

Ranb
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The sixth, why you have an opinion about somebody else, you dont know?

The seventh why did you send me a private message? The message is kinda contradicting with the post you have placed here.
 
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In reference to the above... If you all did ask me, my advice would be to Ignore this individual, if you can't exercise the self-restraint to avoid propagating yet another obvious troll thread.
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Could you give an answer to that guy, he thinks your opinion is not important.

No even beter, we should not take you serious :rolleyes:

For example, I am an expert in conducting radiological control surveys during nuclear propulsion plant maintenance, but my opinions on issues outside of my field are not to be taken that seriously.
 
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Marokkaan said:
First of all, where do you see, im defending this videoclip.

The second, do you know a lot of research has not done by himself but by others.

The third could you comment, where do you think in the clip, he does not have the expertise to talk about it or where he is wrong.

The fourth, why is the expert thing important for you?
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I did not claim you were defending the video, but promoting it. See the text of my post you quoted.

I do not know how to contact the maker of the video you are promoting on this website. Perhaps you have actually viewed the video and can answer a few basic questions about it?

The video seems to make a big deal about expert opinions. I was just wondering what a knowledge or experience a person needs to have to be considered an expert as claimed in the video.

I did not finish watching the clip as it raised so many questions in the first few minutes. Perhaps if you can shed some light on the issues I raised, I might find time to finish watching it and comment on whether or not the author has the required expertise.

If you do not have the answers to my questions, all you have to do is say so. No need to try getting someone else to answer the question for you, unless you have a link to an authoritative source.

Ranb
 
Marokkaan said:
The sixth, why you have an opinion about somebody else, you dont know?

The seventh why did you send me a private message? The message is kinda contradicting with the post you have placed here.
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Because opinions are cheap, I can have them all day long. I sent a PM in an attempt to get a rational answer from you. I think I have failed.

Ranb
 
Marokkaan said:
And again a great videoclip from jonathan!!!
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Actually, he just proved himself a total jackass again.

The dumb twoofer thinks that flash-over is a unique event.

Until that turd learns some fire science, there is no reason for anybody to give him the time of day, other than to post warnings in threeads like this that everything ne says is merely articulater flatulence.
 
Marokkaan said:
The third could you comment, where do you think in the clip, he does not have the expertise to talk about it or where he is wrong.
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I had better grab this one, since it fals directly into my area of expertise.

The jackass makes the same stupid use of the word "explosion" thast that idiot monk MacQueen does when he describes the "explosions" that Jennings heard inside WTC 7. It is clear to anyone with a room-temp IQ that Jennings was describing the collapse of the towers.

Also, idiot boy Cole needs to learn what a "flash-over" looks like before he starts prattling about what a fire is supposed to look like when viewed through a window above ground level.

The boy's brain left the room long ago.
 
marokkaan said:
could you give an answer to that guy, he thinks your opinion is not important.

No even beter, we should not take you serious :rolleyes:

For example, i am an expert in conducting radiological control surveys during nuclear propulsion plant maintenance,nothing but my opinions on issues outside of my field are not to be taken that seriously.
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ftfy
 
Ranb said:
I did not claim you were defending the video, but promoting it. See the text of my post you quoted.

I do not know how to contact the maker of the video you are promoting on this website. Perhaps you have actually viewed the video and can answer a few basic questions about it?

The video seems to make a big deal about expert opinions. I was just wondering what a knowledge or experience a person needs to have to be considered an expert as claimed in the video.

I did not finish watching the clip as it raised so many questions in the first few minutes. Perhaps if you can shed some light on the issues I raised, I might find time to finish watching it and comment on whether or not the author has the required expertise.

If you do not have the answers to my questions, all you have to do is say so. No need to try getting someone else to answer the question for you, unless you have a link to an authoritative source.

Ranb
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Whenever I post a video, I am prepared to defend it or even back down from a claim that I may be making with it. Can I expect the same from you?

Man or mouse, it is up to you.

Maybe i have to change the question. Why i have to defend?

So you are bad informed about the truth movement? I'll gues you have to spend more time to the truth movement. Because a lot of his points are based on researches from the truth movement. Good luck with it.

Just like you said, what you thought about an expert, thats exactly the definition.

You even have problems to watch the whole videoclip? LOL
How many questions do you now have?

Just show me the questions and i will try to answer.

But first things first, if you get rude to me or try to attack me as person, and not stick to the content. Like you first did. I will stop the conversation, and will ignore you like i did with a lot of debunkers here.
 
Ranb said:
Because opinions are cheap, I can have them all day long. I sent a PM in an attempt to get a rational answer from you. I think I have failed.
Ranb
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Just like i earlier said, respect another, and you will get respect back.
 
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