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Old 30th November 2011, 02:44 AM   #321
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Or it could be a more meaningful relationship. For all I know the bacteria that inhabit my lower intestines could be burning offerings for me right now....in fact that might be how they help me digest my food.
This could explain indigestion and heartburn: bacteria in the stomach burning offerings to their gods.
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Old 30th November 2011, 05:16 AM   #322
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Surely this contradicts everything said about god in the bible.

Nope. And don't call me Shirley.
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Old 30th November 2011, 05:31 AM   #323
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You may be part of god, but I don't want anything to do with the racist, homophobic, petulant and misogynistic god described in the bible.

Humanity has those traits and so God has those traits. Christ is the Son of Man. As above, so below. If we forgive ourselves, then we should forgive God too. If we don't forgive ourselves, then we should damn ourselves too. If we bind those traits on earth, then God will bind them too.

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
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As above so below.
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Old 30th November 2011, 05:44 AM   #324
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Humanity has those traits and so God has those traits. Christ is the Son of Man. As above, so below. If we forgive ourselves, then we should forgive God too. If we don't forgive ourselves, then we should damn ourselves too. If we bind those traits on earth, then God will bind them too.

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
-Matthew 16:19

As above so below.
If you're saying what I think you're saying, it needs a bit punching up. To make some sort of, I dunno . . . sense, I think.

Unless you're showing off the wonderous fruits of mysticism, then keep it up.
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Old 30th November 2011, 06:04 AM   #325
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If you're saying what I think you're saying, it needs a bit punching up.

What do you think I'm saying? I'm curious.
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Old 30th November 2011, 06:29 AM   #326
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What do you think I'm saying? I'm curious.
Not much of anything. That's not snark, by the way. It may seem profound in your mind but your are not communicating that profundity that is in any way that's accessible.

Unless you're trying to say that humans created god and doing so, included all the foibles that vex humankind; if that's what you're trying to say, well, say it.
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Old 30th November 2011, 06:34 AM   #327
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Not much of anything. That's not snark, by the way. It may seem profound in your mind but your are not communicating that profundity that is in any way that's accessible.

Unless you're trying to say that humans created god and doing so, included all the foibles that vex humankind; if that's what you're trying to say, well, say it.

That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm saying humans become God. And God becomes human.
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That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm saying humans become God. And God becomes human.
Humans found a need to create gods, and I suppose some think they are god, but that's about as far as it goes.
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Old 30th November 2011, 02:13 PM   #329
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Humans found a need to create gods, and I suppose some think they are god, but that's about as far as it goes.

Just asserting that doesn't make it so.

Gods plan is the same throughout world religion and myth. The pattern transcends borders. The imprint that Gods plan makes on mystics, regardless of their culture or era, is the same. It's an unchanging testament. The field of comparative mysticism makes that quite clear. Maybe you could try, oh I don't know, studying it? Then you wouldn't have to run around laboring in ignorance and making glib assertions.

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Old 30th November 2011, 02:56 PM   #330
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Just asserting that doesn't make it so.

Gods plan is the same throughout world religion and myth. The pattern transcends borders. The imprint that Gods plan makes on mystics, regardless of their culture or era, is the same. It's an unchanging testament. The field of comparative mysticism makes that quite clear. Maybe you could try, oh I don't know, studying it? Then you wouldn't have to run around laboring in ignorance and making glib assertions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diviniz...28Christian%29
The irony, she is strong.
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Just asserting that doesn't make it so.

Gods plan is the same throughout world religion and myth. The pattern transcends borders. The imprint that Gods plan makes on mystics, regardless of their culture or era, is the same. It's an unchanging testament. The field of comparative mysticism makes that quite clear. Maybe you could try, oh I don't know, studying it? Then you wouldn't have to run around laboring in ignorance and making glib assertions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diviniz...28Christian%29
What field, where?
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What field, where?
I'm guessing it's a cow field judging by the amount of manure.
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Maybe you could try, oh I don't know, studying it? Then you wouldn't have to run around laboring in ignorance and making glib assertions.
After reading your many posts on the world's religions, I was going to suggest you do the same thing.
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One of God's plans is: to let nature rule, or if you like natural DISATERS.
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One of God's plans is: to let nature rule, or if you like natural DISATERS.
What is a DISATER? Why can't you spell? Surely God could help you with that problem?
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Gods plan is the same throughout world religion and myth.
Just asserting that doesn't make it so.

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One of God's plans is: to let nature rule, or if you like natural DISATERS.
Just asserting that doesn't make it so.
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Just asserting that doesn't make it so.

Then go spend a decade studying comparative mysticism, comparative religion, and comparative mythology so that you might see for yourself.
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Just asserting that doesn't make it so.
Why can't the woos understand that simple fact?
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Then go spend a decade studying comparative mysticism, comparative religion, and comparative mythology so that you might see for yourself.
No.

Wasted too many years on mysticism in my teens (Huxley et al.) and I know the con quite well now.

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Why can't the woos understand that simple fact?
Because when they state stuff it's all deeply paradoxical and mysterious. The mystical and the mendacious feel very much alike.
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No.

Then maybe you should stfu?
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No.

Wasted too many years on mysticism in my teens (Huxley et al.) and I know the con quite well now.



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Limbo overlooks the fact that some us here passed through the primitive gullible stage when we were younger. Limbo hasn't said anything that I haven't heard before.
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Then go spend a decade studying comparative mysticism, comparative religion, and comparative mythology so that you might see for yourself.
Or he could do something constructive with his time. Almost anything really.

ETA: Actually comparative religion and mythology can be instructive in a sociological sense. Mysticism, not really.

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Then go spend a decade studying comparative mysticism, comparative religion, and comparative mythology so that you might see for yourself.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
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Then maybe you should stfu?
Is that some mystic utterance? Or an all too human bleat of frustration?
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One of God's plans is: to let nature rule, or if you like natural DISATERS.
On the assumption that you meant "natural disasters," if you like natural disasters, then what? And who likes natural disasters? (Except possibly the God of the Bible, if he existed.)
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Then go spend a decade studying comparative mysticism, comparative religion, and comparative mythology so that you might see for yourself.
It has been my observation that many of the individuals on this forum understand a lost more about these topics than you even begin to suspect!

Admittedly studying these topics is useful for dealing with other individuals who believe in such things. It also allows one to understand cultural references to religious and mythological narratives. Some of it appeals to the imagination, or is well written and represents good literature and drama (unfortunately most of the Old and New Testament is terribly written).

One can gain from religion and mythology (oops, same thing) insight into how humans think and feel, just like studying any great fiction. But seeking insight into how the Universe works, or the mind of God, by studying made-up lies and myths, is a sad misdirection of effort.
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One of God's plans is: to let nature rule, or if you like natural DISATERS.
Once again you tell us that your so-called god is useless.

Why do you keep him as your god, it makes no sense at all.

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Then maybe you should stfu?
Sorry, I don't grok stfu. Could you, Limbo, lay it out in another way?
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One of God's plans is: to let nature rule, or if you like natural DISATERS.
God's plan is apparently to hint at who doesn't have it together by sabotaging their posts with spelling errors.
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Then maybe you should stfu?
I am dazzled by this example of your spiritual enlightenment.

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DISATERS, I suspect, is a neologist portmanteau of 'dis' and 'aters'.
'Dis' being to disrespect someone and 'aters' a shortening of 'haters'.
Hence 'natural disaters' means those who disrespect and hate nature.

All very simple when one is channeling Stephen Fry. What. What.
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DISATERS, I suspect, is a neologist portmanteau of 'dis' and 'aters'.
'Dis' being to disrespect someone and 'aters' a shortening of 'haters'.
Hence 'natural disaters' means those who disrespect and hate nature.

All very simple when one is channeling Stephen Fry. What. What.
Get over it, it was a typo.
That doesn't make it unreadable and I am not perfect.
And yes I don't mean to disrespect haters.
I just hate you.
I hate you for disrespecting others beliefs or trying to Belittling others.
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On the assumption that you meant "natural disasters," if you like natural disasters, then what? And who likes natural disasters? (Except possibly the God of the Bible, if he existed.)
So you know the mind of God now?
Why in the world would you say God of the bible when he's God of all?
God doesn't and has never wanted this for us, it was us that wanted this the way it is.
We are the ones that rejected God, or at least,(skeptical atheists).
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As if you are all perfect here's Giordano's posting error:
" It has been my observation that many of the individuals on this forum understand a lost more about these topics than you even begin to suspect!"
Since you want to nitpick.
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God doesn't and has never wanted this for us,
So you know the mind of God now?


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Get over it, it was a typo.
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I hate you for disrespecting others beliefs or trying to Belittling others.
Oh, tut. It was a jest. You know? Ha ha. I find these kinds of threads sad, frustrating and deeply hopeless so I made a wee funny. Shoot me.
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So you know the mind of God now?
Why, are you the only one that does????


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Why in the world would you say God of the bible when he's God of all?
He says this to create a space between the bibble and some other mysterious über god that he knows all about; to keep you guessing.

When it suits him, though, he will be all about the bibble, just watch.
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Edge, or Limbo, demonstrate that all this god stuff isn't just happening in your head.
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So you know the mind of God now?


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Well skeptics doesn't have a clue.

No I can't know all of his thoughts only what he wants to revel to me

personally and what all others before have learned and what’s been

revealed to them.

A atheist will not receive any revelations about things to come and if they do

they will no longer be atheistic, that I do know and that is up to God.
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