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Old 29th January 2012, 02:41 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Yeah, people forget that Mickey is not that wishy-washy creepy character that they created for the TV show, but was actually quite the scamp, originally. If I was a conservative (damn, I nearly got palsy typing that!), I think I could get behind Mickey as a candidate.
Bet Pastor Chuck would love to get behind Mickey Mouse. He seems the kind that would be into rodent rectal rootering
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Old 29th January 2012, 03:37 PM   #42
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People like Baldwin are why I own firearms. There is no way they are going to get their little dystopia that close to my home without causing a fight. Ask the Bosnians and Ethiopians how well a country without a sea port works. So where would they try to get one?

They would have to shove my kind aside, and we don't like being pushed.
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Old 29th January 2012, 10:12 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by leftysergeant View Post
People like Baldwin are why I own firearms. There is no way they are going to get their little dystopia that close to my home without causing a fight. Ask the Bosnians and Ethiopians how well a country without a sea port works. So where would they try to get one?

They would have to shove my kind aside, and we don't like being pushed.
Or the Swiss. Their country sucks.
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Old 29th January 2012, 10:51 PM   #44
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Or the Swiss. Their country sucks.
And Austria blows.

It's very windy in southern Germany.
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Old 29th January 2012, 11:33 PM   #45
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Hey, doesn't Switzerland have a navy?
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Old 30th January 2012, 12:07 AM   #46
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Also, reading the Constitution Party's official platform, I noticed a few glaring double standards. One of my personal favorites is that while they want to end all foreign aid and pull back all military force, they want to keep the Panama Canal.
Keep? Along with all their other sins, being out of date is right there.
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Old 30th January 2012, 06:38 AM   #47
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And Austria blows.

It's very windy in southern Germany.
As long as you mention it, please explain to the crowd* how Georg Von Trapp happens to have been an Austrian Naval Captain.

* I know already.
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Old 30th January 2012, 06:51 AM   #48
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Keep? Along with all their other sins, being out of date is right there.
Sorry, my mistake, not theirs. They want to take back the Panama Canal, which I think also addresses leftysergeant's concern.
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Old 31st January 2012, 06:26 PM   #49
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Poor Pastor Chuck has encountered some slings and arrows since he moved his extended family to The American Redoubt. I reckon that some of the locals aren't so warm and fuzzy about Baldwin's Christopia, unsuprisingly.

Originally Posted by Pastor Chuck Baldwin
I thought I knew what persecution and hardship were, but after my family and I moved to Montana late last year, I found out that I didn’t have a clue what they were. I do now! Furthermore, it was not the “devil’s crowd” that did the persecuting and who created the hardship; it was “God’s people.” In my 50+ years of living, my family and I have never been treated as vilely and as cruelly as we were after we moved to Montana--by so-called “Christian friends.” Maybe one day I will be able to share the story with my readers. It is ghastly!
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Old 31st January 2012, 06:35 PM   #50
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"Ghastly?" Really? Is he a dowager from a Marx Brothers movie? Why, I never!
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Poor Pastor Chuck has encountered some slings and arrows since he moved his extended family to The American Redoubt. I reckon that some of the locals aren't so warm and fuzzy about Baldwin's Christopia, unsuprisingly.
Interesting. I read that on his blog and assumed it meant that he got a slew of poison pen emails from former supporters. I realize now that that was just my interpretation as he doesn't really say one way or the other. I tend to lean that way, though.
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Endorsing someone who doesn't have a *********** chance no matter who it is, was better than endorsing Obama or McCain in 2008, yep.

See what I mean?
Kinda painted yourself into a corner with this whole Paultard thingy, huh?
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Interesting. I read that on his blog and assumed it meant that he got a slew of poison pen emails from former supporters. I realize now that that was just my interpretation as he doesn't really say one way or the other. I tend to lean that way, though.
Ah yes, I'll leep my eyes open for clues as I slog through Baldwin's voluminous published output. Speaking of which, here is further evidence confirming Pastor Chuck's adoption of The American Redoubt ideology:
Originally Posted by Pastor Chuck Baldwin
It is our studied opinion that America is headed for an almost certain cataclysm. As Christians, we suspect that this cataclysm could include the judgment of God. As students of history, we believe that this cataclysm will most certainly include a fight between Big-Government globalists and freedom-loving, independent-minded patriots. I would even argue that this fight has already started. And as this battle escalates (and it will most assuredly escalate), only those states that are willing to stand and fight for their independence and freedom will survive--at least in a state of freedom. And we believe that God has already put the love of liberty deep into the hearts of the people of the Mountain States; and we further believe that God is already calling (and will continue to call) many other freedom lovers to those states.
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Old 1st February 2012, 10:22 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
"Ghastly?" Really? Is he a dowager from a Marx Brothers movie? Why, I never!
Zounds and egads!
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Old 1st February 2012, 02:39 PM   #55
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Well then, you should get a kick out of this.
Originally Posted by Pastor Chuck Baldwin
I sat aghast as I watched the Republican Presidential debate in South Carolina and listened to hundreds of the GOP faithful (which included a great number of Christians) boo Congressman Ron Paul when he injected the Golden Rule into the discussion of America's foreign policy. To say I was stunned is the understatement of the year! Christians booing a Presidential candidate (who, himself, is a Christian) for suggesting that our country practices the Golden Rule? Egad! What's next? Christians cheering when people are thrown to the lions? I confess that I am flummoxed beyond words to describe!
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Old 1st February 2012, 02:42 PM   #56
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In fairness to Chuck, I was flummoxed by that response as well.
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Old 1st February 2012, 02:44 PM   #57
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Well then, you should get a kick out of this.
Sounds like the Beast is about to tear the Harlot a new one.
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Old 1st February 2012, 07:14 PM   #58
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Anonymous hackers have uncovered direct ties between Paul and some unsavory people:

Ron Paul, the American Third Position Party and Stormfront

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Members of the nationalist American Third Position Party (A3P), whose website was defaced by Anonymous, organised Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul's meetings and campaigns, according emails hacked by the collective.

Chairman of the British National Party (BNP) Nick Griffin also took part in meetings with Paul and other representatives of A3P.

"According to these messages, Ron Paul has regularly met with many A3P members, even engaging in conference calls with their board of directors," read a statement from Anonymous.
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In its statement, Anonymous said it put extra effort into hacking A3P webmaster Jamie Kelso, a key figure in organising Paul's meetings and conferences.

Anonymous Claims Neo-Nazi Links to Republican Ron Paul

Kelso, a former Scientologist and account owner of other German Nazi forums, became an active supporter of Paul in 2007. He was reportedly attracted to Paul because he believed the Republican's followers would be receptive to his white supremacist views. He described Paul as "implicitly white" and started to actively organise Paul's events.

"Let's appreciate this big (Paul) audience that's overwhelmingly white," Kelso said in an interview with the Southern Poverty Law Center. "This is our audience, this is our public. These are our people. If we can't persuade these people of the rightness of our cause, then we're finished," he said.
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Anonymous hackers have uncovered direct ties between Paul and some unsavory people:

Ron Paul, the American Third Position Party and Stormfront
I'm shocked shocked shocked Ron Paul's ties to white supremacists are closer than he admits!
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Red face

Wait- didn't the great Chomsky tell us that Paul was a "nice guy", and that he'd like to break bread with him?

I refuse to believe that Lord Chomsky could ever express such affection for someone with ties to disgusting racist groups and, um...

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Old 2nd February 2012, 05:56 AM   #61
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The Golden Rule? In politics?

Which one? "Thou shalt not get caught" or "The one with the gold makes the rules"?
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Wait a minute...

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"Let's appreciate this big (Paul) audience that's overwhelmingly white," Kelso said in an interview with the Southern Poverty Law Center. "This is our audience, this is our public. These are our people. If we can't persuade these people of the rightness of our cause, then we're finished," he said.
...anyone else find Kelso giving the SPLC an interview highly weird?
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Zombie thread alert.

I was curious about Pastor Chuck's reaction to the Trump+Putin ties, seeing as he was frothing about Obama beng a Marxist. To my surprise, Chuck was a Putin fan even before Trump's candidacy.

A segment of the alt right is pro Putin. Odd times we live in.
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When I started this thread, I had no idea that I would find myself living in the American Redoubt. A lot of crazy stuff goes down around here.

State Representative Matt Shea, who represents Spokane, is a Christian Identity lunatic of a high order.

Shea distributed a manifesto titled Biblical Basis for War which advocates Biblical law, death to all men who oppose, and defines how to divvy up the booty acquired from the people they kill. This drew the attention of local law enforcement who referred Shea to the FBI.

Shea advocates for a new state, Liberty, that will operate under biblical law. The proposed state even has an official state gun -- an AR-15.

Shea conspired with local hate groups, developing strategies for committing violence against left wing enemies.

Shea waved a gun at a motorist in a road rage incident. He didn't have a conceal carry permit, was charged, but allowed to slide with a wrist slap.

Shea made his wife walk on his left because his warrior sword, if/when carried, goes on the right. That's the least of it, in terms of how he treated his wife, now divorced.

Unsurprisingly, Shea endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 election cycle. Rolling Stone article about Shea. ISF thread about Shea.

Also unsurprisingly, Pastor Chuck is a Shea defender. Shea has been re-elected twice. Welcome to the American Redoubt.
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Zombie thread alert.

I was curious about Pastor Chuck's reaction to the Trump+Putin ties, seeing as he was frothing about Obama beng a Marxist. To my surprise, Chuck was a Putin fan even before Trump's candidacy.

A segment of the alt right is pro Putin. Odd times we live in.
Which segment of the alt-right isn't pro-Putin?
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Which segment of the alt-right isn't pro-Putin?
I've been slow on the uptake.
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I've been slow on the uptake.
Don't be too hard on yourself. While virtually the entire alt-right loves Putin, there's probably only a slim plurality that support the idea of him taking over the US...
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It amusing to look back on late 2007, when some on the anti Iraq war left had a heavy duty flirtation going with Ron Paul because of Paul Anti Iraq war stand. "Rolling Stone" did a fawning cover story on him that pretty much ignored all the crazy and bigoted things Paul believed.
But as the truth took hold, that flirtation ended.
That the problem with one issue people: ignoring every issue but a single one never turns out well.
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Don't be too hard on yourself. While virtually the entire alt-right loves Putin, there's probably only a slim plurality that support the idea of him taking over the US...
I'm still looking for a segment of the alt-left that isn't pro-Putin.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
It amusing to look back on late 2007, when some on the anti Iraq war left had a heavy duty flirtation going with Ron Paul because of Paul Anti Iraq war stand. "Rolling Stone" did a fawning cover story on him that pretty much ignored all the crazy and bigoted things Paul believed.
But as the truth took hold, that flirtation ended.
That the problem with one issue people: ignoring every issue but a single one never turns out well.
At least it eventually did. That doesn't seem to be a given.
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At least it eventually did. That doesn't seem to be a given.
Indeed. Possibly the biggest problem the US has is that when the Right is confronted with new information, it doubles down instead of changing it’s stance. Eg. When information comes out that Russia worked really hard to make sure Trump go elected, instead of questioning why the Right changes it’s views and now loves Russia and everything it stands for,
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
It amusing to look back on late 2007, when some on the anti Iraq war left had a heavy duty flirtation going with Ron Paul because of Paul Anti Iraq war stand. "Rolling Stone" did a fawning cover story on him that pretty much ignored all the crazy and bigoted things Paul believed.
But as the truth took hold, that flirtation ended.
That the problem with one issue people: ignoring every issue but a single one never turns out well.
There was a classic thread on JREF, started by a user who was convinced Ron Paul could do no wrong. It hinged on the premise of Net neutrality and how it was such a good thing. When other users pointed out that Ron Paul was opposed to Net neutrality, things quickly went downhill...
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There was a classic thread on JREF, started by a user who was convinced Ron Paul could do no wrong. It hinged on the premise of Net neutrality and how it was such a good thing. When other users pointed out that Ron Paul was opposed to Net neutrality, things quickly went downhill...
How could I have missed such spectacular entertainment? Do you have a link?
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Does anyone else look at this thread title and see "Christophera?"
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Rawles book might have found fans, but someone who conjures up gay communist cannibals as evil protagonists is more axe-grinder than fiction writer.
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At least Pastor Chuck doesn't excuse Trump. His brand of crazy transcends all.

Originally Posted by Chuck Baldwin, April 2019
The longer evangelical Christians continue to support Donald Trump’s radical pro-Israel, pro-war agenda, the deeper America will plunge into an anti-Christian country.
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People like Baldwin are why I own firearms. There is no way they are going to get their little dystopia that close to my home without causing a fight. Ask the Bosnians and Ethiopians how well a country without a sea port works. So where would they try to get one?

They would have to shove my kind aside, and we don't like being pushed.


I thought you left.
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I thought you left.
He died, check the date of the post you replied to.
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Old 8th May 2019, 10:37 AM   #80
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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood View Post
He died, check the date of the post you replied to.
I didn't know.

But he only died in our branches of the multiverse. I his branch, he has defeated the neo-nazis and has achieved immortality.
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