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Is the Franklin pedophile ring the most suppressed political story of past 25 years?
There have been 2 books written on this pedophile ring which ran for about 10 years from about 1978 until 1988 when Lawrence E. King was arrested. The cover up has lasted much longer.
Those 2 books are 1) The Franklin Cover Up (1992) by John De Camp and the Franklin Scandal (2009) by Nick Bryant. The pedophile ring, being run by CIA connected Lawrence E. King and Craig Spence, was really a ring catering to homosexual pederasty. King was also producing child pornography. Lt. Col. Michael Aquino is also thought to be deeply associated with this ring. The reason this "pederasty ring" was so savagely covered up was because of the ultra high profile nature of its clients - high level politicos, media figures and mainly Republican businessmen. George Herbert Walker Bush - as VP - was one of the clients of this ring and people who were kids in the 1980's, but adults today, still remember GHW Bush attending Lawrence E. King's pederast parties and leaving with a teenaged prostitute, an 18 year old named as Brandt Thomas in the book the Franklin Cover up. George Herbert Walker Bush appears 15 times in the index of the book the Franklin Cover Up. 1) The Franklin Cover Up: http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover...pr_product_top 2) The Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant: http://www.amazon.com/The-Franklin-S...1337907&sr=1-1 Here is my review of the book: This book is about an elite PEDOPHILE RING of the 1980's that operated at the highest levels of the REPUBLICAN PARTY. It was run by the GOP's rising black star of the 1980's LARRY KING (not the man on CNN, a man from Omaha, NE) and CRAIG SPENCE, a man who was the elite GOP lobbyist of his day in the 1980's. Larry King (not CNN's tv personality) and Craig Spence were running a CIA pedophilia blackmail ring where mainly young boys were used as sex toys and prominent politicians, media folk, business leaders were often photographed as they engaged in their pedophilic perversions. ...
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This should be in Conspiracy Theories where I'm sure it is not news to anybody.
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I always wondered about Al Frankin. Now we know...
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Who's Al Frankin?
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I'm calling alot of BS. Mind you I have no proof.... but when something seems that crazy... it usually is.
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Didn't someone claim to have been a sex-slave in the whitehouse during GWB's presidency? What's wrong with American politicians...
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So if there was a cover up, why were there at least jury trials on the subject?
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My BS meter almost melted.
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The reason the story was suppressed is the lack of interest is sex scandals by the media and the public.
Or it could be that once examined the story falls apart. |
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So what prompted the OP to shill his review of a book from over 2 years ago?
For the lulz, check out his other reviews. Monomania much? |
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There were several grand juries that got corrupted by agents working on behalf of the pedophiles. The pedophiles were the ones in government and who controlled the strings of prosecution.
Now, there was a conviction. Alisha Owen got convicted of perjury for telling the truth and then had the book thrown at her in her sentencing. Almost no one ever goes to jail for perjury especially for local cases. Alisha was the one who when she was age 14-15 was having sex with the pedophile chief of police Robert Wadman. Basically, the FBI terrified her boyfriend Troy Boner into telling a tremendous amount of lies which resulted in her conviction for telling the truth. The Franklin Scandal was truly Kafkaesque and the good guys and the victims lost every single time. It is also about the tyranny of power. |
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Sorry, I just can't get past the name "Troy Boner".
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It sounds a little like a Simpson's porn name.
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As an somewhat interesting sidenote: Michael Aquino really is a satanist and was an army officer. He is or was a leader of the Church of Set which splintered from the Church of Satan.
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There is a lot more to Michael Aquino than the fact he is a satanist and a Nazi lover.
He and his wife pretty much sexually molested kids from a day care at the Presidio. And got away with it completely. http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspo...he-guilty.html "Ethical, responsible Michael Aquino was accused by the U.S. Army CID on August 11, 1989 of "Conspiracy, Kidnapping, Sodomy, Indecent Acts or Liberties With a Child, False Swearing, Intentional Noncompliance With Article 30 Uniform Code of Military Justice, Maltreatment of a Subordinate and Conduct Unbecoming an Officer," in connection with the Presidio charges. After the High Setian sued the Army to have his name stricken from the title block of the report, the court investigated and a decision was handed down by the Commanding General of the Army CID on September 28, 1990: "Plaintiff remains titled for Conspiracy, Kidnapping, Sodomy, Indecent Acts and False Swearing."31 Aquino’s pleas of innocence notwithstanding, there is little doubt that molestation occurred at the Presidio. An internal investigator told Diana Napolis, a San Diego County social worker, "he believed at least 20 pre-schoolers had been molested." Even the FBI’s Kenneth Lanning, a staunch ritual abuse debunker, has stated publicly that many children were sexually abused at the Child Development Center.32 The intelligence sector and its mind control cults have made extensive use of front organizations like the False Memory Syndrome Foundation – many of the professionals on the FMSF board have engaged in illicit classified mind control experiments, often involving children – and friendly contacts in the media to characterize ritual child abuse as an "urban legend" and "false memories" concocted by therapists to reap fraudulent medical insurance claims." |
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I think it's the latest fad to claim whoever politician you don't like is a sexual deviant. It's not just Bush
George H. George W. Bush’s Pedophile Rapes Obama Is Obama a Pedophile ? Obama is also supposed to be gay. OBAMA AND EMANUEL: MEMBERS OF SAME GAY BATH HOUSE IN CHICAGO And what about Rick Perry? Rick Perry Gay, Stripper Sex Rumors Rise After Ron Paul Supporter’s Ad But I'm surprised by all this. I thought they were all reptilian aliens. But what's the real answer to all this? I tried for a long time to manage this, but finally, dealing with this trash from Robert has gone one step too far. It's on to IGNORE he now goes. |
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Your friend is obviously delusional and nuts.
Anyone who would believe the above stories is even more delusional and nuts. Don't be delusional and nuts. |
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I'm a bit curious about the allegations against Aquino, the only sources seem to be people like Diana Napolis, who seems to fight with mental illness, and Aquino himself. There does not seem to be an independent perspective on the Presidio accusations. Which I frankly find somewhat astonishing.
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We were doing a great job of suppressing the story. But now you posted it. Good thing your next-door neighbor is on our payroll. Don't worry, you won't feel a thing.
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He's like Jason Bourne.
Sorry; "Jayson Bjorn". |
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I read The Franklin Cover Up, and the entire thing seems to hinge on stories told by a single gay prostitute. The stories are, to put it politely, fabulist in the extreme, filled with famous names, and generally having the tone of the satanic ritual abuse hysteria that was so popular in the late 80's and early 90's, and which all turned out to be a complete hoax. In one of these tales, the gay prostitute was subjected to a satanic sexual ritual in Las Vegas presided over by none other than Hunter S. Thompson--which is pretty much a dead giveaway that the tale was inspired by Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. The writer of the book seemed to quite sincerely believe these stories, and reading between the lines it seems that he was actually paying the gay prostitute to tell them (leading me to suspect that his source was something of a con man.) I figure that, at most, the guy who wrote the book had come a across a procurement (and, possibly, blackmail) ring that operated amongst minor political operators who had some access to fund raising events. But hey, for a couple hundred dollars, you can shake the president's hand too.
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The Franklin conspiracy is one of my favourite pieces of stupid. As a previous poster pointed out, it is closely related to the Satanic panic scares of the 80s and 90s, even being propagated by some of the very same individuals, (Dale Griffis, the late Ted Gunderson). One of the leading proponents is John DeCamp, a man who has links to ultra rightist organisations who want to overthrow the federal government, which is probably his motive for spreading propaganda to try and convince people that government agents are kidnapping their children to use as sex slaves.
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I wonder why this subject isn't covered more often here? I feel like the Franklin Scandal would be as important a conspiracy theory to debunk as the 9/11. Unlike most of the Illuminati/NWO/woowoo conspiracy theories this isn't being advocated by your nutbag neighbourgh but by a former Nebraska State Senator and other journalists. This CT is closely tied to Satanic Ritual Abuse MK-ultra CTs, that claim that CIA delibaretely cause the Dissociative Identity Disorder to the victims and program them to do specific tasks such as sex slavery. Kidnapping of Johnny Gosch is also very relevant to the case. When SRA and DID is discussed by skeptics, the usual conclusion is that there's absolutely no physical evidence for the existence of such abuse. However Franklin scandal indeed has evidence backing the stories told by Paul Bonacci.
Bonacci claimed in 1992 episode of America's Most Wanted on Fox that he was forced to participate in the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. He apparently told Johnny Gosch's mother Noreen things about Johnny that only close family members would know about, and Noreen believed him. Bonacci told the show's producers that Johnny was taken to a Ranch in Colorado where the victims were branded with a specific mark called "Rocking X". Some time after the AMW show was aired, a man named "Jimmy" contacted the show's producers. Jimmy told the producers a similar description of the Ranch as Bonacci, corroborated his story and showed a brand mark on his body that was exactly similar to one described by Bonacci. Here's an abovetopsecret post quoting the entire story from author Nick Bryant's book The Franklin Scandal.
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According to Noreen Gosch's testimony under oath in the 1999 civil court case that resulted in 1 million conviction against Lawrence King, AMW hired medical experts to analyze the brand on Jimmy and concluded that it was years old and not made recently. Curious fact: According to Noreen Gosch in the same court hearing, ABC news was producing a special episode about CIA multiple personality disorder mind control victims and Johnny Gosch for over a year, but I couldn't find any info about a such documentary having been made. I recommend reading about The Franklin scandal. I don't know what to think about all this, but it sure seems the rabbit hole goes really deep. I hope none of this is true and that this is just the hoax of the century, I haven't found any thorough debunking of the subject though ![]() |
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Who's Al Franklin?
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Ah. We've seen it thousands of times: the old CIA-officials-and-billionaires-commit-horrible-crimes-and-don't-kill-the-witnesses-or-victims scheme. Plus the story becomes extra kooky because we are talking about the 1980s when the spy agencies had really, really cool ways of killing people like poison-tipped umbrellas.
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At face value it seems just that, but how do you explain Bonacci describing a pedophile ranch AND the brand given to victims later found to be correct? Also, if you click on the link to the 1999 court hearings, Decamp & co make some pretty damning claims that result in 1 million being awarded to Bonacci. Of course the accused Lawrence King didn't even defend himself since he was in prison so it was just the default judgement.
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I'll go with "begging the question" for a thousand, Alex.
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Two grand juries and a few judges determine the story was complete BS.
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Wait, people remember George H. W. Bush as Vice President? Doonesbury (and P J O'Rourke, and hundreds of other commentators writing at the time he was both veep and President) lied to me!
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And and a jury said OJ Simpson was innocent of murdering Nicole Brown.
Franklin Scandal: 2 rigged grand juries and judges under the influence of powerful high level pedophiles, both in business and politics. In fact, one of the jewels of Nick Bryant's book was the fact that he got access to the grand jury transcripts of one of the Omaha juries, no doubt given to him to some incensed by the massive injustice that occurred to the victims. Alisha Owen, one of the child rape victims was convicted of telling the truth and went to jail. Here is an interview with her: http://www.franklinscandal.com/Owen/ |
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I would bet my house, my car, my bank account and my penis that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer of Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denyng the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The thugs then stole the tapes. |
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I would bet my house, my car, my bank account and my penis that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer of Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denyng the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The thugs then stole the tapes. |
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Read the follow up book The Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant who had at least 10 sources from various parts of the pedophile ring. Bryant found the flight manifests that showed that kids were being flown around the country by Lawrence E. King, a notorious homosexual pedophilic pimp.
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I would bet my house, my car, my bank account and my penis that the Clintons & Buddy Young sent 3 Arkansas state trooper goons to beat the living hell out of and nearly murder Gary Johnson (the lawyer of Larry Nichols & neighbor of Gennifer Flowers) on June 26, 1992. They did this because Gary Johnson had security camera videotapes of Bill Clinton often entering Gennifer's condo. The Clintons were denyng the Bill/Gennifer affair at that time. The thugs then stole the tapes. |
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Rakarek brought up Project MK Ultra. I Googled it and first hit was from Wikipedia where it seems to have been treated as actually having happened. Does anyone know if this was actually true or is this just a case of vandalism on Wikipedia?
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Dagnabbit, are those frisky Republicans up to no good again?
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It existed.
Though, as you might expect, it certainly didn't do all the things that conspiracy theorists think it did. |
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