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Old 22nd March 2012, 08:56 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Best quote from a truther I've seen (by snowcrash)

"Yeah, perhaps it's time to stop pretending there is a movement, which implies unity of some kind, while all we have is a scattered, tattered, splattered and battered gaggle of idle chatter which no longer matters."

From snowcrash at Truth Action:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtop...?p=48878#48878



I've been reading a few threads there lately, and I'm certain that he said that without sarcasm.
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Old 22nd March 2012, 09:57 PM   #2
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so snowcrash is a truther? Is he figuring out he's just wasted a few years of his life on nonsense or is he just giving up because he thinks they're been defeated by the evil nwo?

edit: Just read his post, appears to be the latter..

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The USA has 3000 war planes, and the majority of those pilots will be more than happy to bomb the 'socialist communist Al Qaeda apologist sharia obeying atheist homosexuals' into cattle fodder. Or they may just fry you with DARPA funded heat rays.

...

pigs throwing haymakers at aids patients and tasering grannies and mental patients to death because they just won't "comply". There is nothing these animals will not do.
hmmm I don't really know what to say on that one.. Some people truly have an amazing imagination..

Oh, and we've been spotted Hello Gentlemen
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That is one small forum. Only one sub forum active and that is not as big as our 9/11 sub forum or even close.
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snowcrash is an interesting study of three aspects of personality in tension.
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Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post
so snowcrash is a truther? Is he figuring out he's just wasted a few years of his life on nonsense or is he just giving up because he thinks they're been defeated by the evil nwo?

edit: Just read his post, appears to be the latter..



hmmm I don't really know what to say on that one.. Some people truly have an amazing imagination..
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Oh, and we've been spotted Hello Gentlemen
Hello!

I'd like to hear in his own words if snowcrash thinks the disintegration of the Truth Movement was caused by the NWO.
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Old 23rd March 2012, 01:58 AM   #6
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There is a lot of frustration in the saner parts of the truth movement.

They are soooo convinced the gubbermint screws them day in day out.
It was sooo obvious to them that 9/11 somehow must be a gubbermint black op.
And yet, 10 years later, every piece of evidence turns out not to be evidence for that woo. Every theory, as incomplete as they all have been, turns out to be unfounded or outright wrong. And one Twoof leader after the next is found out to be a liar, a splitter and a fraud.

But ... the gubbermint still screws them day in day out, and isn't it obvious still that 9/11 somehow must be a gubbermint black op? Gnarf... Feeling so powerless...

(Hey, solution would be easy: Just drop the woo!)
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Old 23rd March 2012, 02:12 AM   #7
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It boils down to the fact that after 10 years, the remaining truthers believe 9/11 was an inside job because they want to believe 9/11 was an inside job.

People like Charlie Veitch had the guts to admit he was duked.

Dylan Avery and Steven Jones have jumped ship and hardly affiliate with 9/11 truth anymore.

It should go to stand that a few anonymous keyboard warrior internet truthers can realise they've also be duked, dissapear into the background and pretend they never trolled the internet spamming '9/11 was an inside job!'. Evidently, most have, would just be nice if they admitted they were duked first, then maybe a few others would wake up and stop being sheep for such a ridiculous and failed movement.
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Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post
Oh, and we've been spotted Hello Gentlemen
Sups TM. Come join us at the NWO, free lunch and parking permits plus once a year you get to send any one person you dislike to a FEMA camp!

That poor SnowCrush, in the thread about the Millette paper you can see the pattern as his posts continue: he just seems to get more and more demoralized with his movement.
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Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post
It boils down to the fact that after 10 years, the remaining truthers believe 9/11 was an inside job because they want to believe 9/11 was an inside job.
Indeed, cjnewson and Oystein.

Or moreover, that they don't want to admit they've been illogical.

I feel sorry for them. I really do. But kudos to people like snowcrash and jimd3100 who see glaring errors and split with the movement. That's acknowledging the truth - with a simple, small 't'.
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Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post

People like Charlie Veitch had the guts to admit he was duked.

...they've also be duked...they were duked first...
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Old 23rd March 2012, 05:19 AM   #11
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If Snowcrash has the video, then "World's Wildest Videos" will pay top dollar for film of a granny being tazered to death by a pig.

As for his original post - if he's not careful, he'll be hastily condemned as COINTELPRO, or - even worse! - JREF and banned forever. Then the remaining posters will loudly proclaim that they knew he was a shill all along.
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Some of the best people I've ever met have been truthers. The crummiest people I've ever met have been fake truthers who have, alas, achieved far too much visibility and prestige in the movement.
I'm guessing this is like "no true occupier".

And, of course, no one considers the possibility the guy might be simply nuts, or lying like a rug.
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Old 23rd March 2012, 06:19 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Comsat Angel View Post
If Snowcrash has the video, then "World's Wildest Videos" will pay top dollar for film of a granny being tazered to death by a pig.

As for his original post - if he's not careful, he'll be hastily condemned as COINTELPRO, or - even worse! - JREF and banned forever. Then the remaining posters will loudly proclaim that they knew he was a shill all along.
Not to worry. Like any good truther, he HATES the JREF! We are the incarnation of evil.

That's why SnowCrash is up in arms about Kevin Ryan and AE911T lying, but finds it quite ok, and no reason to apologize, to post lies about me. I am NWO JREF, after all, and I pay Millette to get the results the NWO JREF needs
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Evidently, most have, would just be nice if they admitted they were duked first, then maybe a few others would wake up and stop being sheep for such a ridiculous and failed movement.
Of course that would require them to admit in public they were not the awakened Elite they thought they were.

It's much less humilitating to quietly slip away from those whom you basically called dumb sheep or evil disinformants.
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Not to worry. Like any good truther, he HATES the JREF! We are the incarnation of evil.

That's why SnowCrash is up in arms about Kevin Ryan and AE911T lying, but finds it quite ok, and no reason to apologize, to post lies about me. I am NWO JREF, after all, and I pay Millette to get the results the NWO JREF needs
You are probably again right, Oystein, SnowCrash does not really like JREF
I can judge it e.g. from his sentences here: "I asked a few questions here. They were fair questions. They were not answered, and Steven Jones has left the debate, us and his paper for the hyenas at JREF to devour."

But, otherwise, some evolution of his attitudes is visible.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Not to worry. Like any good truther, he HATES the JREF! We are the incarnation of evil.

That's why SnowCrash is up in arms about Kevin Ryan and AE911T lying, but finds it quite ok, and no reason to apologize, to post lies about me. I am NWO JREF, after all, and I pay Millette to get the results the NWO JREF needs
That was a while ago. More recently, he's said, "I think Jim Millette currently has more credibility than Steven Jones."

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtop...?p=48699#48699

And also, "I find it interesting that Millette was unable to determine what paint the chips are supposed to originate from. At the same time, AE911Truth don't even mention the core conclusion of his report: that the chips are neither thermite nor nanothermite. I can't look at that and make anything else of it but a lie by omission. That's what I find offensive."

http://www.911blogger.com/news/2012-...comment-256190
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Snowcrash hasn't replied over at truthaction.org, but here's a comment from kdub:

"Damn didn't realize JREF folks were coming this way. At least they are checking out some of this forum and perhaps know there are thougthful people willing to be critiqued who want the truth about 9/11. [...]"

Indeed. I'm seeing more and more posts by snowcrash, kdub, jimd3100 and shure there and at 9/11 Blogger, and they're saying what needs to be said in the absence of debunkers. I think JREFers and these truthaction posters can agree on a lot of things.
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Snowcrash hasn't replied over at truthaction.org, but here's a comment from kdub:

"Damn didn't realize JREF folks were coming this way. At least they are checking out some of this forum and perhaps know there are thougthful people willing to be critiqued who want the truth about 9/11. [...]"

Indeed. I'm seeing more and more posts by snowcrash, kdub, jimd3100 and shure there and at 9/11 Blogger, and they're saying what needs to be said in the absence of debunkers. I think JREFers and these truthaction posters can agree on a lot of things.
Seconded!

Last week I signed up as "Oystein" at truthaction.org, wanting to provide a little input on the Millette and Harrit studies, but that forum requires manual activation by an administrator, and that hasn't happened yet
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Seconded!

Last week I signed up as "Oystein" at truthaction.org, wanting to provide a little input on the Millette and Harrit studies, but that forum requires manual activation by an administrator, and that hasn't happened yet
Cheers.

I was thinking of signing up there, and your post prompted me to do so just now.

Did you reply to your registration email with a request for activation, as instructed here:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7522

Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Cheers.

I was thinking of signing up there, and your post prompted me to do so just now.

Did you reply to your registration email with a request for activation, as instructed here:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7522

Hope this helps.
Yes I didn't, but that didn't help yet
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Yes I didn't, but that didn't help yet
No, I haven't been activated yet, but as a forum admin, I know admins do have to sleep, work, eat, etc.
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
"Yeah, perhaps it's time to stop pretending there is a movement, which implies unity of some kind, while all we have is a scattered, tattered, splattered and battered gaggle of idle chatter which no longer matters."

From snowcrash at Truth Action:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtop...?p=48878#48878



I've been reading a few threads there lately, and I'm certain that he said that without sarcasm.
I wish I could post naughty words on JREF because I would include an adverb before "Beautiful" that would better describe how I feel about that comment!
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No, I haven't been activated yet, but as a forum admin, I know admins do have to sleep, work, eat, etc.
It's been a week
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"Yeah, perhaps it's time to stop pretending there is a movement, which implies unity of some kind, while all we have is a scattered, tattered, splattered and battered gaggle of idle chatter which no longer matters."

Pretty good assessment, except substitute "never mattered" for "no longer matters".

I've never met one single person who believed any of the various manifestations of 9/11 conspiracism, or at least not one who ever gave any indication thereof. Not one. Granted, most of the people with whom I have significant interaction are engineers and firefighters, but still, the closest I've come in real life is seeing a "question 9/11" bumper sticker on a parked car. "9/11 truth" simply disappears when I close my web browser, and has never had any real effect on the national discourse, let alone ever come near realizing any of the believers' revenge fantasies.

I suppose the realization of their irrelevance and impotence as a "movement" must be kind of disheartening and frustrating to the believers. At least the quote in the OP reflects some recognition of that actual truth.
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It's been a week
Hmmm, the recording of the theme song for "Jeopardy" is getting quite a workout then isn't it.
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I've never met one single person who believed any of the various manifestations of 9/11 conspiracism, or at least not one who ever gave any indication thereof. Not one. .
Unfortunately I have met two.
One who felt that way because her boyfriend told her to. She is the antithesis of technologically adept.

The other is a relative who also feels kinship with anarchist rioters at G7 meetings and after hockey finals and who's techological knowledge ends at knowing how to plug in a 1/4 inch or XLR cable when his band sets up.

The vast majority of people I meet see the 911 conspiracists as deluded nutbars, and see me as slightly off for engaging those people in discussion.
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Totally missed that. User "Oystein" activated.

"Orphia Nay" activated too.
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It boils down to the fact that after 10 years, the remaining truthers believe 9/11 was an inside job because they want Need to believe 9/11 was an inside job.
Fixed that for you. They need it to be a inside job or they would have to face up to real life and have no one to blame for why they are failures other than themselves.
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wow..

Quote:
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Lying JREF scumbag "CJNewson88"..

*followed by wall of text

So tell me, "CJNewson88", do I have an amazing imagination, or are you a scumbag liar posing as a rational skeptic?
Yikes how did my one liner become a lie? I never said at all his '3000 war planes' etc was false.. the imagination comment was aimed at comments like the following (not from the same post):

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Humankind is on the brink of collapse, on the cusp of irreversible environmental decline, we have lost all our civil rights, our privacy, our freedoms, and our children's children will live in a totalitarian dystopia, thanks to 9/11.
Comments like "lost all our civil rights" could easily allow me to label you a liar.

So, snowcrash, do comments like these make me believe you have an amazing imagination??

Yes.

Furthermore, I have never claimed to be a "rational skeptic". I'm here for debunking, not skepticism.

Deal with it.
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Oh my god..

Quote:
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You just go right on and hand the JREF run-of-the-mill-bozo (moron, ********, however you prefer to term it) their ass.

Got a lot of views from JREFers on this thread? Good. You're a lot of *********** morons, ass-kissers, boot-lickers of authority. I hate you. You represent the worst of humanity, the status quo defenders. With your ilk, the general human condition would have never progressed beyond Neanderthal daily life. You people suck. You are the scum of the Earth. I've never run across a cloister of government anus-sucking hominids like that until I visited your forum. The collective intellect can best be described as necrotic. **** you. Die. The world will be much better off without you. Kill yourself. Every sentient being of worth (according to my sole personal definition of worth, which you could scarcely comprehend) screams for you to kill yourself and rid this world of the plague that is you.
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I'm glad I don't live next door to that one.

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It's been a lovely bright sunny warm day here in Oldham, I sat out in the back yard with my i-pod and a book, had a pot of tea, pottered in the kitchen, wrote a bit, watched a DVD of Hellboy and thought - what can possibly end such a perfect day?

What else but an hilarious bilious screed from some Twoofer with his underkeks in a twist! Thanks for sharing that one, CJ - er, "Plague".
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Originally Posted by Kat Dorman
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Oh my god..
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I'm glad I don't live next door to that one.

Have fun boys.
Do you have a link to the source of the Kat Dorman quote please...
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Thanks. It looked a bit strong even for Kat in his hyperbole mood.
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Originally Posted by cjnewson88 View Post


Oh my god..



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I'm glad I don't live next door to that one.

Have fun boys.
Funny stuff.
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Meh, I think you guys should take a look at this. We have a lot in common with these guys, and I'm not interested in forum war games.

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7537
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Meh, I think you guys should take a look at this. We have a lot in common with these guys, and I'm not interested in forum war games.
Astronomers and astrologers also study the same thing.
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I'm here for debunking, not skepticism.

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I'm a long-time occasional lurker over there. Never bothered to sign up and have mixed feelings about the bunch. But some people who post there are amazing. My shout out to Scott N., Jon Gold and JohnA! I wish that in 2006 the latter's excellent film "Everybody's gotta learn sometime" would have gone viral instead of Loose Change SE. Perhaps we would be closer to peace and justice by now.

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