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Pink Slime
I've been following the Pink Slime story with disgust. Obviously we can not count on the government to provide protection or honesty on what is being sold as food. Absolutely outraged that major stores have gotten away with selling this. Our food supply is poisoned.
What I'm most outraged at is that it isn't even labeled to give people a choice, and there are no plans to require it to be labeled in the future. The USDA has utterly betrayed the American people in favor of big business. Quote from ABC News "A USDA source told ABC news it’s up to the grocery stores to disclose what’s in their ground beef and the Agriculture Department has no jurisdiction." http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ns-pink-slime/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...grocery-store/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ime-free-beef/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...nk-slime-beef/ |
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Chemophobia? Here's a comment from your second link
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I'm all for transparency about products, how they are made and where they come from. That seems to be the only legitimate issue. eta This advertisement appeared in the WSJ yesterday. I think that what Nancy Donley has to say there is extremely important. |
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Being fed what is meant to be dog food is being nutritionally poisoned in my opinion. Not to mention the ammonia added to kill off all of the ecoli. Beyond gross.
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What a dog is meant to be fed? So evolution shaped that meat in those places in cows for humans to feed to their dogs? No, that's a fearmongering, baseless argument.
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At a time when food issues are looming as a serious challenge to human health in the next few decades, this kind of campaign is what is disgusting. I'll change my mind if there is a real case presented. |
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I've never heard of "Pink Slime" before. After looking at the first link and the Wikipedia article, I'm left with one question...
What's wrong with using beef trimmings in ground meat? Seriously, I don't see the problem. ETA: Or is it the ammonia gas that's disturbing people for some reason? |
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I for one am very happy that we have a method of recovering edible products from carcasses that would otherwise be discarded. The claim of added ammonia is, at the very least, exaggerated. There are many claims made about so-called "pink slime" that just aren't true.
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It seems there is a substantial number of meat eaters who are grossed out by the entire concept of meat production.
I was one of those--I had to push the very idea (raising, slaughter, butchering, processing) out of my head. I got to the point where I wouldn't even touch it. I had to just slip it into the pan directly from the package and had to deliberately distract myself from thinking about how gross it is. My advice is, if it bothers you that much, a very simple solution is to not eat it. There are plenty of alternatives that are healthy and much less gross--and cheaper too. Now I don't spend so much effort trying to avoid being disgusted by what's on my plate and in my fridge. Life's too short for all that self-imposed angst. ![]() |
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My only beef (get it beef ha ha ha) is the economics of the situation. I am paying for X amount of ground up beef, but in fact only getting Y amount with the balance being made up of filler.
And the fact the filler is not described or apparently admitted too on the labeling - (I will check this claim on my next shopping trip) is very troubling. Having said all that I can see circumstances where I would purchase the product (knowingly) and use it as intended. A cheap way to fill peoples bellies when the budget is a bit tight |
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But the articles suggest the 'filler' does not have the nutritional value of beef. It is the same when you get the different qualities of ground beef 70/30 80/20 etc. A consumer sees a price break on the lower quality beef and purchases according to their need, be it health or simple budget constraints
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"nutritionally poisoned" is a non-sequitur. It is either nutritional or not, but in neither case is it poisoned. Dogs need nutrition just like the rest of us animals do, and they seem to live on it well enough, so it is neither non-nutritional nor poison. Ammonia is added to many things to kill bacteria; I'm sorry if you never noticed. Do you eat hot dogs? You do know it has been used in human food since 1993? You better count on becoming a vegan, because this sort of thing is going to become more prevalent, not less, until meat becomes altogether too expensive to have at all.
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I eat all the stuff anyways. Heart, tongue liver, kidney,spleen (called 'melts').
But I do stay away from the factory made 'chubs' of ground beef. Not because of the by-products, but the "deboned meat". DM is acquired by grinding up all the gristle and bone, filtering out the bone chips, and adding it to the ground meat. No flavor and no texture. Deboned Meat is the "Pink Slime". Logic is " It ain't bone, it must be meat". I do have a dedicated electric meat grinder, and use it mostly to make my own sausage. But will occasionally run a whole brisket through it, and fill the freezer with hamburger. Mostly because I find that the best quality ground beef is too low in fat for best flavor. It's cheaper than buying hamburger, and as a side effect I can set aside some excess fat for home made pie crust. |
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I just saw a sign at my market saying they never used pink slime, and I wondered what the heck they were talking about. Ew.
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so what is the nutritional value of "beef" defined as? i thought it was a generic term referring to meat from a cow (which as i mention, the filler is)
the hilighted bit is not true, in 2004 mechanically separated beef was banned for use in products intended for human consumption. the process by which "pink slime" is made stipulates that bones must emerge from the process intact although mechanically separated pork and chicken can still be used (mostly in hot dogs) |
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I've always been very picky about my ground beef texture and have only bought ground meat from the same place the last 10 years, and my emotional mind is grateful they claim to have never used this vile slime. But I shudder in my emotional heart soul to think of the times I ate ground beefs from the hand of trusted others.
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Food is food. If it tastes good and doesn't make me sick, I don't care.
Last time I got sick from something I ate was lobster at the navy base galley because they cooked it wrong. Ground beef is poison? Tell that to my stomach. |
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I've been buying hog melts at the Vietnamese grocers. It tastes somewhere between meat and liver. It has the color of liver, and the long skinny strips have a consistency closer to meat than liver. I could see that it would add flavor to ground products. In fact, a friend was a meat cutter and told me it is used in some of the fast food chains. I use it to make 'dirty rice' mostly as dog food, but I'll eat a bowl or two from every batch too. Not much luck finding recipes other wise, <Melt Recipe> always comes up as a cheeseburger on rye.
Aside: I once toured a plant for one of the big fast food chains. Saw what looked like whole deboned carcasses heading into a huge grinder. Bins the size of a pallet. Interesting that they had a recipe. It was about 15% fat, mostly steer meat, with set amounts of cow and bull. I've always wondered about how some places have beefier tasting patties, I figured it's because of higher bull content. I know there are two reasons to make steers out of bulls- docility, and bulls taste gamier. Now I've got a hankering to try a bull steak. eta: Now I'm wonder if the free range cattle thing is really about eating bull meat? If we can taste the difference, maybe there is something healthier about it? Just as we taste the difference between olive and sunflower oils? Maybe the culprit ain't the beef, it's the lack of bull? I wonder how herds are managed in 'low heart attack rate' countries? |
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Framing worth noting:
Anti-corporate activists name for the stuff: Pink Slime Commercial producers name for the product: Lean Beef Trimmings This might explain what I've been trying to figure out for years now. The hamburger I consume some years back started tasting awful, mostly because of the texture that seemed 'grisley' to me. It got to the point that the only hamburger I found not to have that texture which I found distasteful was the organic stuff at Whole Foods. It costs as much as a good steak from Safeway. Whole Foods grinds their own burger at the store. QFC meat department claimed they also ground their own hamburger but it turns out the Kroger brand contained the 'product'. They are now reporting they will quit using it. I was talking to the Whole Foods butcher about this just a couple days ago. I asked him if it was possible there was some new way the meat was taken off the bone or some other processing thing that would account for the grisley texture of all the commercial hamburger. The butcher didn't know of anything. It will be interesting to see if indeed this is why hamburger texture has become an issue for me. |
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Regarding "pink slime;" I think there's enough legitimately wrong with factory farming practices that making **** up is unnecessary. Sure, it sounds unappetizing, but it's not like you're eating wood chips and formaldehyde.
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No, they're not pleasant. But raising beef conventionally, in feedlots and such, is more sustainable than raising it in a free-range, organic method.
As for pink slime, it just reeks of scare tactics to me. Someone devised a way to separate meat from fat and connective tissue, but it leaves the meat in a paste-like form. Good for them for finding a use for meat that would have otherwise been wasted. With all the worries about ammonia being used in the process, I wonder if the same people also avoid eating grits because lye is used in the process. |
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This outrage is silly - what did people THINK went into their meat? Upton Sinclair made it pretty clear, and there's no reason to think the meat industry's changed much since "The Jungle." What happened here was that people saw that photo of mechanically separated turkey or chicken parts (that's the stuff that looks like pink toothpaste,) and started screaming about what's in their beef. Or, more precisely, what's in their KIDS' beef, because nothing starts a panic better than a perceived threat to people's precious darlings. That dingbat "chef" Jamie Oliver also helped by creating a huge strawman argument on his cooking show - complete with a locked kitchen cabinet containing a bottle of liquid ammonia among other household poisons, which he poured straight into a container of beef trimmings in a misleading demonstration of how beef is treated at the plant. This was after he made an aside - "this is what I IMAGINE HAPPENING." All this was done with a group of kids in attendance, naturally, to improve the theater.
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That's news to you? Did you see the Food, Inc. documentary yet? There is a great Jamie Oliver episode talking about the Green Slime - and to me it doesn't really look or sound all that tasty, to be honest. Actually I wonder why they don't reuse the content of the guts as well using the ammonia washing process, if they get away with it in the US anyway. ![]()
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