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View Poll Results: "Twenty-Twelve" or "Two Thousand-Twelve"?
Twenty-Twelve 49 62.03%
Two Thousand-Twelve 20 25.32%
On Planet X, we still party like its Nineteen Ninety-Nine. 10 12.66%
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Old 25th May 2012, 02:27 PM   #1
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The Year 2012: Do You Say "Twenty-Twelve" or "Two Thousand-Twelve"

Which is it? I say "Twenty-Twelve" mostly because it sounds better, more consistent with the past and less tedious over the long term. I think the custom of saying "Two-thousand..." is a hold over from the 20th century when there was a lot of buzz and novelty about the year "Two-thousand".
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Old 25th May 2012, 02:38 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Tony View Post
Which is it? I say "Twenty-Twelve" mostly because it sounds better, more consistent with the past and less tedious over the long term. I think the custom of saying "Two-thousand..." is a hold over from the 20th century when there was a lot of buzz and novelty about the year "Two-thousand".

Not so much "buzz and novelty" but rather how would you call the year 2000 if not "two thousand"? Twenty hundred sounds really weird, at least to me, though I suppose it's still acceptable.

For 2012, however, I'd go with twenty-twelve.

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Old 25th May 2012, 02:51 PM   #4
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"Twenty-twelve." For me 2000 through 2009 were "two thousand" through "two-thousand nine" because I think "twenty-oh-nine" sounds silly (besides the fact that "oh" is a letter and not a digit). Dunno what I'd have done between 1900-1909.

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Dunno what I'd have done between 1900-1909.
Back in ought nine you'd probably have said ought nine like everyone else (at least in the US.)

I say two thousand twelve because, you know, that's what that number is. I never said, "one thousand nine hundred eighty three," to mark the year though, so I'm definitely not going to argue with the 20-12'ers. I'm also one of those crazy people who tends to say 'zero' rather than 'oh' for the numeral 0 though, so I can't be trusted.
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Two thousand AND twelve.


Or twenty- twelve.
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Two thousand and twelve for me.
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I say deux mille douze.
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Two thousand and twelve for me.
Same here.

Twenty-twelve just sounds so lazy and wrong.
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Two thousand AND twelve.
That reads to me like 2000.12. AND in a number denotes decimal/fraction.

I know that the name of a year isn't just a number in the mathematical sense, so I'm not so strict about it, but some things I learned in 4th grade have stuck very well. If you were to say that 843 people at your birthday party as eight hundred and forty-three, I'd say absolutely wrong.
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That reads to me like 2000.12. AND in a number denotes decimal/fraction.
But you would never say 'twelve' as part of a decimal.

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I know that the name of a year isn't just a number in the mathematical sense, so I'm not so strict about it, but some things I learned in 4th grade have stuck very well. If you were to say that 843 people at your birthday party as eight hundred and forty-three, I'd say absolutely wrong.
Just one of those differences between English and American; 'and' after 'hundred' is the standard way to say numbers in the UK (and Australia, from the foregoing comments).


For the year, I'd say either "twenty twelve" or "two thousand and twelve"; for the years 2000-2009, I'd only say "two thousand (and X)". You can't just say "Twenty Eight", for example, because it's ambiguous, and "Twenty Oh Eight" is a bit clumsy. Not sure why, though; for 1908 I'd say "Nineteen Oh Eight".
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Old 27th May 2012, 07:07 AM   #15
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That reads to me like 2000.12. AND in a number denotes decimal/fraction.
Only in modern American English, unless the Gettysburg address was given 80.7 years after the American revolution, or the King James bible claims the natural life span of man is 80.1 years. And who the hell would bake 4.2 blackbirds in a pie? :P
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Same here.

Twenty-twelve just sounds so lazy and wrong.
How do you say 1912?
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Up until 2010, I said "two thousand one," "two thousand two," etc., because "twenty oh one" just sounded awkward. But once we got to 2010, I started saying "twenty ten," etc.
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I chose two-thousand-twelve because of the three choices that is the one I use the most.

Usually, though, I excise the "two-thousand" entirely and just say "oh-twelve". This gets odd looks from people sometimes, and derision from my wife, but there is clearly an '0' right before the '12'.
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Just one of those differences between English and American; 'and' after 'hundred' is the standard way to say numbers in the UK (and Australia, from the foregoing comments).


For the year, I'd say either "twenty twelve" or "two thousand and twelve"; for the years 2000-2009, I'd only say "two thousand (and X)". You can't just say "Twenty Eight", for example, because it's ambiguous, and "Twenty Oh Eight" is a bit clumsy. Not sure why, though; for 1908 I'd say "Nineteen Oh Eight".
That's funny. I've lived my whole life in the U.S., and I typically say "two-thousand-and-twelve" whether referring to the year or the quantity. All my rent checks have "X hundred and Y dollars" written on them.
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All my rent checks have "X hundred and Y dollars" written on them.
I'll bet your bank are getting tired of that.
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The Swedish equivalents are just about as long, actually, "two thousand twelve" is one syllable shorter, and a lot of the consonants are swallowed.

So that carries over, and I say two thousand twelve, the few times I say it.


Also, we never shorten e.g. 1950 to "nineteen fifty", we always say "nineteen hundred and fifty". Likewise we always say "twenty hundred and twelve", never "twenty twelve", which is why it's longer than "two thousand twelve".
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I'm trying to say "twelve". Last century I only used the last two digits, so I don't see why that should change.
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I've been used to saying "twenty-one twelve" since 1976, so "twenty-twelve" comes quite naturally.

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If I say "two-thousand-and-twelve" when trying to type the date, I inevitably add an extra zero*, to get 20012...so I say Twenty-Twelve to avoid this problem.




*Because two thousand has lots of zeros, right? My fingers get ahead of my brain, then have to back up a step.
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The "and" thing is a weird one. I would never say "two thousand twelve". It would always be "two thousand and twelve". It wouldn't be right otherwise.

But every time I've examined it, I've never found any real good reason why.

41: Forty one
401: Four hundred and one
4,401: Four thousand, four hundred and one.
4,441,401: Four million, four hundred and forty one thousand, four hundred and one.

It's so right, but it just doesn't make sense. There's no consistency!
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The "and" thing is a weird one. I would never say "two thousand twelve". It would always be "two thousand and twelve". It wouldn't be right otherwise.

But every time I've examined it, I've never found any real good reason why.

41: Forty one
401: Four hundred and one
4,401: Four thousand, four hundred and one.
4,441,401: Four million, four hundred and forty one thousand, four hundred and one.

It's so right, but it just doesn't make sense. There's no consistency!
You're 99% of the way there. Just change your mind. Right now. It makes sense to say four hundred one, four million four hundred forty-one thousand four hundred one (no commas), etc.

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Only in modern American English, unless the Gettysburg address was given 80.7 years after the American revolution, or the King James bible claims the natural life span of man is 80.1 years. And who the hell would bake 4.2 blackbirds in a pie? :P
Excellent point. What, really, is the and doing here, both for my 4th grade teacher and for Abraham Lincoln? It's the verbal plus sign. It's saying add them together. And so four score + seven really is 87 and four + twenty really is 24, but then that's more poetical, and I'm all in favor. But in more straightforward language, I'm pretty much going to use the verbal addition for verbalized fractions only, and string together an integer without and.

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How do you say 1912?
Aw, crap.
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How do you say 1200?

One thousand two hundred?
Twelve hundred?
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Excellent point. What, really, is the and doing here, both for my 4th grade teacher and for Abraham Lincoln? It's the verbal plus sign. It's saying add them together. And so four score + seven really is 87 and four + twenty really is 24, but then that's more poetical, and I'm all in favor. But in more straightforward language, I'm pretty much going to use the verbal addition for verbalized fractions only, and string together an integer without and.
I think that both with and without the and work fine, and make sense, however in my futile search across the internets to try and find when "and" became a marker for UK/ US English I did find a lot of people who vehemently held that using and was a crime against logic and English, which seems a bizarre position to take but them people do often take bizarre positions on matters of usage.
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Which is it?
I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago.
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I'm trying to say "twelve". Last century I only used the last two digits, so I don't see why that should change.
I was thinking about this my self. I can't really understand why just saying "twelve" sounds wrong. Most years do have at least two words. I use "oh-eight" and "ninety four". "Ten" just sounds wrong like "twelve" or just "nine", but I had no problem with "sixty" or "ninety". I obviously have a prejudice, but I can't explain it.
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