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You can take them however you like, I stand behind them. People are giving far too much credence to simply playing around with the language and trying to get some grand meaning out of silly word games.
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What Dafydd said. Because what passes for philosophy on this forum is 99.99% meaningless word games.
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That's just meaningless hyperbole. You can't have a universal non-sequitur, because the classification of something as a non-sequitur is based on context.
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And what's the point of throwing in a percentage that's obviously made up? |
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I'll give you a few and you can pick one.
Self-reflection, self-knowledge, the ability to construct a valid argument, to think clearly and critically, to look at difficult questions in a systemic way, to test the grounds for beliefs. You don't have to go far to see this in action, JREF is full of philosophical arguments. Science is lost without it. Why? Because there is more data in the world than we can ever capture and we need a method to help us decide which questions are worth investigating. Questions about value are philosophical questions. Maybe, like the man who discovered he'd been writing prose all along, we just don't notice how philosophical we actually are. Some of the larger questions: How should I be governed? What constitutes a good life? What is my relationship with and my obligations to my fellow men? The fact that these questions have not been answered doesn't mean they aren't worth exploring, and philosophy is the way we do that. |
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^This
Epistemology (the branch of Philosophy that deals with knowledge) is absolutely necessary for science to operate. One could probably make the same argument for Metaphysics, but there's a lot of crap in Metaphysics as well (this is where you get all that inane solipsism). Also, Ethics and Political Philosophy are relevant to everyone on the planet, so it's absolutely absurd to have such a distaste for Philosophy*. *I mean the academic discipline, not the mystical BS people will try to peddle off as Metaphysics. |
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So basically it "Philosophy of the Gaps."
Great because that works so well explaining the God concept. If it can't be backed up with evidence or falsified/supported by experimentation, it's meaningless. |
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Go philsophize me up a cure for cancer, then I'll be impressed.
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Tough standard. I suppose you don't much care for paleontology or cosmology either?
Did you know Georgetown University offers a dual degree in medicine (MD) and philosophy (PhD)? http://philosophy.georgetown.edu/gra...ograms/dualmd/ Someone thinks it's worthwhile -- even worthwhile in the practice of medicine. |
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I tripped over a dog yesterday and I think I've cracked a rib. I'll go and see if my doctor can philosophize it away.
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You do realize that this is just a reskinned version of the 'Evolution can't provide moral principles' argument that creationists use?
You're criticizing a field of knowledge for not providing things that another field provides. I can understand why you might not like philosophy, but you shouldn't sink to this level. |
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In one sense it's sinking, but it captures a common complaint: philosophy is too esoteric to be of any use and can thus be ignored. It's a stance with some merit and it parallels how I might feel about art or classical music.
I think there's another theme as well: philosophy being as much a pretentious and bloated ego salve as a Lamborghini. As much as I might tout the engineering feat the car embodies, it will still seem like it has to be a phallic symbol and sign of a character flaw to some. I don't own a sports car, but I can read philosophy. I think what surprises me is how often logical fallacies are presented as a tool here at JREF without any recognition they belong most properly to the field of philosophy, not mathematics. As I mentioned before, they are writing prose without knowing it. |
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You failed to answer the question and you had three opportunities.
I'm going to assume you mean it's knowledge, which would mean that philosophy is a field of knowledge, because the law of identity is within its purview. EDIT: Oh, that's what you meant. I don't think being 'obvious' excludes it from being speculation or knowledge. |
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Philosophy (as it is generally used here) is meaningless because it's unfalsifiable, it by definition can't give us any answers because it's all meaningless wordplay about the definitions themselves.
Philosophy prides itself in asking unanswerable questions which to me is a tacit admission that it's doing nothing but mental masturbation. |
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