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Old 9th October 2012, 06:58 AM   #1
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Chi to put animals to sleep

Ok - just watched Stan Lee's Superhumans - this chap was pretty remarkable....

A Japanese man who claimed he could put animals to sleep through "chi" - I'm wondering what rational explanation could be offered instead of "chi" for this remarkable feat....

For the program the man who already has a reputation for doing this was flown to America, and then was taken to 2 random groups of animals (llama and bison), and watched by animal experts monitoring animal behaviour. Both times all the animals lie down, to the amazement of the watching experts.

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Taking faking off the table, you've got:

1) remarkable co-incidence - ie repeated abnormal animal behaviour
2) some non chi-related mechanism

....or something paranormal....

what do people reckon is the most likely explanation....

Discuss
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Old 9th October 2012, 07:56 AM   #2
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I have a superpower: I can make random dogs sit down with a probability greater than chance just by uttering the word "sit."

Why is faking off the table, though?
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The shadows change significantly during the filming, it took a lot longer than what is shown. He just made his funny hand gestures and waited till they sat down on their own, then edited it down to a minute or two.
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Originally Posted by andyandy View Post
1) remarkable co-incidence - ie repeated abnormal animal behaviour
Animals resting and dozing in the heat of the day is abnormal?

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2) some non chi-related mechanism
They fancied a lie down.
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Animals resting and dozing in the heat of the day is abnormal?
Ruminant animals no less. Those tend to wander around for a bit while they graze, then lie down for a bit while they ruminate.
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Those tend to wander around for a bit while they graze, then lie down for a bit while they ruminate.
Even I do that in summer (not eating grass though).
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Originally Posted by dlorde View Post
Even I do that in summer (not eating grass though).
Have you ever noticed a Japanese man waving his chi at you just before you had a lie down?
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I requested for the thread to be moved to General Skepticism btw, since this topic has nothing to do with science.
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Putting animals to sleep?

Mmmm......this guy could save me a few quid in consumables. Dogdoctor, you in for some cost savings too?
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WHen I saw the title, I was thinking "put to sleep" as in euthanasia & figured if you want long enough, the animal will die & chi can be credited/blamed...
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WHen I saw the title, I was thinking "put to sleep" as in euthanasia & figured if you want long enough, the animal will die & chi can be credited/blamed...
That's pretty much what they did, but for the non-euphemistic meaning of sleep.
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That's pretty much what they did, but for the non-euphemistic meaning of sleep.
Not even for the non-euphemistic meaning of sleep. They just waited for the animals to lie down. They weren't even asleep.
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Originally Posted by andyandy View Post
Ok - just watched Stan Lee's Superhumans - this chap was pretty remarkable....

A Japanese man who claimed he could put animals to sleep through "chi" - I'm wondering what rational explanation could be offered instead of "chi" for this remarkable feat....

For the program the man who already has a reputation for doing this was flown to America, and then was taken to 2 random groups of animals (llama and bison), and watched by animal experts monitoring animal behaviour. Both times all the animals lie down, to the amazement of the watching experts.

This is the stan lee clip (only in spanish)
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Actually, it's in Portugese.

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Taking faking off the table, you've got:

1) remarkable co-incidence - ie repeated abnormal animal behaviour
2) some non chi-related mechanism

....or something paranormal....

what do people reckon is the most likely explanation....

Discuss
Ehr, well. I once saw, on TV, a big T Rex dinosaur attacking some people in a Jeep. Do we conclude that dinosaurs still exist?

You can do anything on video.

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It's a shame none of the commentary is in English because they have a vet plus animal experts saying very clearly that this is very abnormal behaviour. They all say they have never seen anything like it before.

Now perhaps they are wrong - but i'm not seeing much animal expert rebuttal beyond "duh, animals lie down...." which is hardly in depth behavioural analysis.

The comment about the shadows is more interesting - if he was standing there for an hour that is less impressive than if it was for a few minutes.

So, either the experts on the show are wrong, there was a lot of cut and pasting on the editing floor or something else is going on. When he started waving his hands I half thought of hypnosis - as far as I'm aware you can't hypnotise animals - though I would be interested to see if this has been tried. Alternatively is there any high / low pitch sound that would cause animals to lie down in distress? He could have some secret pocket device I suppose....
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They all say they have never seen anything like it before.
"We have never seen a Japanese guy waving his hands at a herd of bison before."
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Old bushman's trick...
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All jokes aside there is an old bushman's trick for putting sheep to sleep
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I used to put chickens to sleep by placing their heads under their wings. Maybe there is a movement pattern that makes ruminants drowsy. Or maybe what we have here is like cloud bursting, they are only showing the cases where the animals lay down.
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I used to put chickens to sleep by placing their heads under their wings. Maybe there is a movement pattern that makes ruminants drowsy. Or maybe what we have here is like cloud bursting, they are only showing the cases where the animals lay down.
Roll a rabbit onto their back, stroke their tummy, and they stay frozen in place for a minute or two. It's weird.
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Originally Posted by andyandy View Post
Ok - just watched Stan Lee's Superhumans - this chap was pretty remarkable....

A Japanese man who claimed he could put animals to sleep through "chi" - I'm wondering what rational explanation could be offered instead of "chi" for this remarkable feat....

For the program the man who already has a reputation for doing this was flown to America, and then was taken to 2 random groups of animals (llama and bison), and watched by animal experts monitoring animal behaviour. Both times all the animals lie down, to the amazement of the watching experts.

This is the stan lee clip (only in spanish)
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Taking faking off the table, you've got:

1) remarkable co-incidence - ie repeated abnormal animal behaviour
2) some non chi-related mechanism

....or something paranormal....

what do people reckon is the most likely explanation....

Discuss
They were fed animal tranquilizers.
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Even I do that in summer (not eating grass though).

Grazing in the grass is a gas.
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All jokes aside there is an old bushman's trick for putting sheep to sleep
That's interesting - how does it work? And why? (Is the crocodile Dundee clip accurate? )
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That's interesting - how does it work? And why? (Is the crocodile Dundee clip accurate? )
Sheep have some weird biological thing that puts them into a trance when their front feet are lifted even an inch of the ground. You do the whole crocodile Dundee thing with mumbo jumbo while an associate holds the struggling sheep,and slowly lifts it's front quarters slightly - Japanese tourists love it lol

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Run the dog around a paddock for half an hour and its amazing how they just lie down afterward.
Talk about mystical
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Run the dog around a paddock for half an hour and its amazing how they just lie down afterward.
Talk about mystical
Maybe yours does. I'd give anything for some Chi Sauce to put on my dog's food to calm him down a little...
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Sheep have some weird biological thing that puts them into a trance when their front feet are lifted even an inch of the ground. You do the whole crocodile Dundee thing with mumbo jumbo while an associate holds the struggling sheep,and slowly lifts it's front quarters slightly - Japanese tourists love it lol
I wonder what reason that happens....strange!
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Many common lizards (and crocodilians, if you dare) can be "put to sleep" by rubbing their tummies... I used to do it all the time with common area reptiles.
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Many common lizards (and crocodilians, if you dare) can be "put to sleep" by rubbing their tummies... I used to do it all the time with common area reptiles.
I believe this kind of thing is known as 'tonic immobility' (or popularly 'animal hypnotism'), and many animals display it. Chickens can be 'hypnotised' in several ways.

Ever noticed the way a small mammal can hypnotise a snake into eating it?
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Roll a rabbit onto their back, stroke their tummy, and they stay frozen in place for a minute or two. It's weird.
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Many common lizards (and crocodilians, if you dare) can be "put to sleep" by rubbing their tummies... I used to do it all the time with common area reptiles.

This works with one of our cats.

Not so much with the other.

(Ouch!)
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I wonder what reason that happens....strange!
So we can shear them easily.
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So, either the experts on the show are wrong
Or they are not really experts (could be actors)
Or that the animlas were drugged
Or that the animals are already trained for this
Or that the animals just did it on their own and it was edited out

Or any number of tricks could have been done here.
Why are you so fast to assume that "faking is off the table"?
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Originally Posted by andyandy View Post
Ok - just watched Stan Lee's Superhumans - this chap was pretty remarkable....

A Japanese man who claimed he could put animals to sleep through "chi" - I'm wondering what rational explanation could be offered instead of "chi" for this remarkable feat....

For the program the man who already has a reputation for doing this was flown to America, and then was taken to 2 random groups of animals (llama and bison), and watched by animal experts monitoring animal behaviour. Both times all the animals lie down, to the amazement of the watching experts.

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Taking faking off the table, you've got:

1) remarkable co-incidence - ie repeated abnormal animal behaviour
2) some non chi-related mechanism

....or something paranormal....

what do people reckon is the most likely explanation....

Discuss
What remarkable coincidence?


In the second one, set up a camera and wait for the animal to look like it's about to lie down, and then wave your hand, poof, it lies down "on command".
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Grazing in the grass is a gas.
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Or they are not really experts (could be actors)
Or that the animlas were drugged
Or that the animals are already trained for this
Or that the animals just did it on their own and it was edited out

Or any number of tricks could have been done here.
Why are you so fast to assume that "faking is off the table"?
Or nothing out of the ordinary happened. If you watch the videos you can see that it's mostly footage of a Japanese man waving his hands at animals that behave as they normally do.

Edit: oh i guess that would be "Or that the animals just did it on their own and it was edited out"

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Now perhaps they are wrong - but i'm not seeing much animal expert rebuttal beyond "duh, animals lie down...." which is hardly in depth behavioural analysis.
How deep does one have to be to observe that animals lie down, and other animals lie about why they lie down.
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Edit: oh i guess that would be "Or that the animals just did it on their own and it was edited out"
Yeah, by "faking" I was also going for the "no relation what so ever to the guy but editing makes it seem so"
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Roll a rabbit onto their back, stroke their tummy, and they stay frozen in place for a minute or two. It's weird.
That's the easy bit.

Shaking salt onto their cottontails in order to catch them in the first place is the hard part.
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without doubt the biggest load of fanny i have ever seen,complete and utter nonsense.On a par with geller's stupidness
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