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Old 29th October 2012, 02:17 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
I understand, but that's not your call. You have information, it is your duty to report it. Let the police sort out the truth from the lies.
With due respect, like heck it's not our call.

None of us here believe that Byington knows anything relevant to this case. You're asking us to pretend otherwise just to score points on an irrelevant discussion.

If a four-year-old child shouts that he brought down the WTC, on your theory, we'd have to report this to the FBI, because it's not our call to ignore it. To be perfectly frank, this is an utterly stupid theory.
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Old 29th October 2012, 02:36 PM   #282
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Done, Altus.

Doug, I seem to recall you were writing a book on all this. Is that right?
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Old 29th October 2012, 02:50 PM   #283
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
"Since 2006, Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah Attorney General's office of Special Investigations."

I hope that's not true.

I just emailed the UAG office asking if it is.

uag@utah.gov
I just got their reply. Bad news for Judy Byington the Liar.

This is from one of their attorneys:

"The site says Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah AG's Office since 2006. The Utah AG has not had any consultants on satanic crime since 2006 or any time, and certainly has not used Byington in any capacity including as a consultant, ever."

Doug, PM me your email address and I'll forward it to you if you want.
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Old 29th October 2012, 02:56 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
I just got their reply. Bad news for Judy Byington the Liar.

This is from one of their attorneys:

"The site says Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah AG's Office since 2006. The Utah AG has not had any consultants on satanic crime since 2006 or any time, and certainly has not used Byington in any capacity including as a consultant, ever."

Doug, PM me your email address and I'll forward it to you if you want.
Score! If she lies about things that are so easily checked, then what sort of trustworthiness can she boast of in regards to that which are not so easily verified?
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Old 29th October 2012, 03:01 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Done, Altus.

Doug, I seem to recall you were writing a book on all this. Is that right?
Thanks. That ought to be enough to keep it up there. Doug's got some "goods" on "Felicity"...she's become a bit of an online celebrity, ranting about any book that questions DID...1,000 posts alone on "Sybil Exposed." We won't even talk about outlets outside of Amazon where she posts as well. I see it as a marketing ploy...there is no "Felicity Lee" on her non-profit filings. But it is on her site, so when someone is thinking they "might" have DID googles "Felicity Lee Dissocitive Idenitity" they find her "Ivory Garden" site. It's kind of creative...can't be accused of marketing her site...but she is marketing a pseudonym that links with her site by posing as "Felicity Lee".

Research is ongoing to establish if she even has a license to practice. This online counseling stuff is perhaps more dangerous than the licensed stuff. It's the Wild West.
http://dissociativeidentitydisorderg...portabout.html

Everything is top-secret with passwords. Felicity has youtube video on how to establish an account on her site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WqXiXdr0rc&feature=plcp

Judy Byington is pulling the same crap with her Skpe sessions @ $25 a pop even though she does not have a license. This is how belief systems are built or supported.
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Old 29th October 2012, 03:05 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
I just got their reply. Bad news for Judy Byington the Liar.

This is from one of their attorneys:

"The site says Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah AG's Office since 2006. The Utah AG has not had any consultants on satanic crime since 2006 or any time, and certainly has not used Byington in any capacity including as a consultant, ever."

Doug, PM me your email address and I'll forward it to you if you want.
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Old 29th October 2012, 03:53 PM   #287
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NEWS ALERT>>>> COMMENTS ARE BACK UP AT ABC-4. WOOT! WOOT!


http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc...spx?p=Comments

I do declare...I swore on my FSM idol, I saw a video link on Byington's site this morning. I can't find it. Could it be Satan?
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Old 29th October 2012, 05:05 PM   #288
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With due respect, like heck it's not our call.

None of us here believe that Byington knows anything relevant to this case. You're asking us to pretend otherwise just to score points on an irrelevant discussion.

If a four-year-old child shouts that he brought down the WTC, on your theory, we'd have to report this to the FBI, because it's not our call to ignore it. To be perfectly frank, this is an utterly stupid theory.
What if said four year old was being paraded around the media with their false confession being presented as truth?
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Old 29th October 2012, 05:16 PM   #289
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What if said four year old was being paraded around the media with their false confession being presented as truth?
Strawberry, I think you're absolutely right -- it's deplorable that there is this false eyewitness testimony being paraded about, but I also understand the sensitivity of some regarding the waste of time and resources involved in reporting this to the authorities as though it might possibly be good information. I really think that it is okay to approach the AG simply as a journalist, asking if they had been confronted with this claim by either Byington or Hill. I think in that case, they may have a Press liaison who is able to simply check and see if that's the case. If it is or isn't, I stand to gain -- if they didn't report it, clearly they don't take it seriously enough, if it's already been reported, the authorities probably don't take it seriously (and surely for good reason). What I DON'T think will happen in that case (in merely asking as a journalist if these claims were brought to them) is that a superfluous investigation will be opened. I imagine I would get the old "if anybody has information, encourage them to contact us" line. Thoughts...?
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Old 29th October 2012, 05:17 PM   #290
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
I just got their reply. Bad news for Judy Byington the Liar.

This is from one of their attorneys:

"The site says Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah AG's Office since 2006. The Utah AG has not had any consultants on satanic crime since 2006 or any time, and certainly has not used Byington in any capacity including as a consultant, ever."

Doug, PM me your email address and I'll forward it to you if you want.
Orphia, that's amazing! Thank you! Check your private messages...
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Old 29th October 2012, 05:20 PM   #291
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
I just got their reply. Bad news for Judy Byington the Liar.

This is from one of their attorneys:

"The site says Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah AG's Office since 2006. The Utah AG has not had any consultants on satanic crime since 2006 or any time, and certainly has not used Byington in any capacity including as a consultant, ever."

Doug, PM me your email address and I'll forward it to you if you want.
You should post that up on ABC's site too.
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Old 29th October 2012, 05:22 PM   #292
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Originally Posted by douglas mesner View Post
Strawberry, I think you're absolutely right -- it's deplorable that there is this false eyewitness testimony being paraded about, but I also understand the sensitivity of some regarding the waste of time and resources involved in reporting this to the authorities as though it might possibly be good information. I really think that it is okay to approach the AG simply as a journalist, asking if they had been confronted with this claim by either Byington or Hill. I think in that case, they may have a Press liaison who is able to simply check and see if that's the case. If it is or isn't, I stand to gain -- if they didn't report it, clearly they don't take it seriously enough, if it's already been reported, the authorities probably don't take it seriously (and surely for good reason). What I DON'T think will happen in that case (in merely asking as a journalist if these claims were brought to them) is that a superfluous investigation will be opened. I imagine I would get the old "if anybody has information, encourage them to contact us" line. Thoughts...?
Yes, that's probably the best way to go about things. It just infuriates me that she can make claims like that about a child who is genuinely missing. From my own googling it seems Kathleen Shea's mother is still living, I'd hate for her to turn on the Dr Phil show or something and be presented with this lurid and entirely fictional account of her child's murder.
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Old 29th October 2012, 05:22 PM   #293
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Mystified by the thick-headed refusal to answer to very plainly stated facts and refutations, one of the authors at Dysgenics has opened up a dialogue regarding the antics surrounding the Amazon 22 Faces discussion: http://www.dysgenics.com/2012/10/29/...s-you-believe/
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Old 29th October 2012, 05:34 PM   #294
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Done, Altus.

Doug, I seem to recall you were writing a book on all this. Is that right?
I AM writing a book about all this. In fact, I'm finally ALMOST ready to turn my book proposal in. It's been a very long last couple of years for me. I think I have some fairly unbelievable material. I think people here who are familiar with the names might be surprised at the number of known purveyors of bunkum I've had encounters with.
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From the press release:

Hill states that on June 21, 1965, she was taken to a “Black Temple” rite in Garden Grove, California, where the six year-old was strapped to an altar, tortured, and forced to watch the murder of another six year-old identified as Kathleen Shea. Shea’s cold case has remained open in Tyrone, Pennsylvania, since she disappeared on March 18, 1965 while walking four blocks to school.

http://22faces.com/press-release/

But the book uses a pseudonym of "Angeletta."
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Judy's back babbling over @ ABC...is there no end? Doug, you might want to send the whole ABC link over to Dr. Phil. I don't know why any one would give her the time of day with the exchange she's carrying on. http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc...spx?p=Comments

PS...to all inclined to engage her, we know she's ******* crazy, but you might want to try to ask rational questions in the comments. It would be great to have them stay up...this time...and you never know if someone in Utah is reading this and can do something.
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Judy's pat reply to everything: "Read the book...a lot of your questions will be answered." Then she quotes from the book, totally evading my question. It would be comical if she where anything but a non-licensed therapist who created a nightmare in another woman's mind.
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Old 29th October 2012, 06:37 PM   #298
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Judy's back babbling over @ ABC...is there no end? Doug, you might want to send the whole ABC link over to Dr. Phil. I don't know why any one would give her the time of day with the exchange she's carrying on. http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc...spx?p=Comments

PS...to all inclined to engage her, we know she's ******* crazy, but you might want to try to ask rational questions in the comments. It would be great to have them stay up...this time...and you never know if someone in Utah is reading this and can do something.
Awww, can't I even call her nuts or something ?

and I agree, Doug send this over to the Dr.Phil Show producers, before it disappears !
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Does anyone else see a streak of antisemitism in the "Dr. Greenbaum" character she's invented? I mean, a Nazi satanist mind control expert. How can she make him worse? Make him a Jew! I said as much in the comments section. I think her target audience are probably holocaust deniers, too.
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Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
What if said four year old was being paraded around the media with their false confession being presented as truth?
What if?

The investigator you're speaking of has a job. It has to do with solving a missing persons case (hope I have that right). It does not have to do with discrediting Byington. You're asking folks to distract him from his legitimate work just so there's additional (redundant) evidence that Byington is a fraud and/or quack.

I just don't think that this is a responsible plan. You are asking us to report something we know is ******** as if it is a lead worth checking out. You are asking us to purposely waste an investigator's time.

Please reconsider this tactic.
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Strawberry, I think you're absolutely right -- it's deplorable that there is this false eyewitness testimony being paraded about, but I also understand the sensitivity of some regarding the waste of time and resources involved in reporting this to the authorities as though it might possibly be good information. I really think that it is okay to approach the AG simply as a journalist, asking if they had been confronted with this claim by either Byington or Hill.
Yes, absolutely!
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Judy's back again. She seems to be implying that her work with the Utah AG is very hush hush, or something. Only she's not exactly saying that, she's just blowing smoke and dropping enough hints for her supporters to think that's what she's saying. She's pretty cagy, this one.
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Judy's back again. She seems to be implying that her work with the Utah AG is very hush hush, or something. Only she's not exactly saying that, she's just blowing smoke and dropping enough hints for her supporters to think that's what she's saying. She's pretty cagy, this one.
Yes of course, it's all part of the conspiracy and no one wants to blow their cover. Tin foil anyone ?
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An interview with Judy Byington where she talks about her work with the Utah AG "as recently as this year"
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/enterta...bused.html.csp

Some of you have already seen this page where Judy Byington accuses people of stalking her
http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/blog-...een-unabl.html
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Thanks for the nice comments, lovely people!

I just posted a one star review on Amazon:

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Judy Byington's website claims (as of this moment): "Since 2006, Byington has acted as a consultant on satanic crime for the Utah Attorney General’s office of Special Investigations."
http://22faces.com/press-kit/

I contacted the Utah Attorney General's office on 28 October 2012 and asked them about that.

This is the reply I received this morning from one of their attorneys:

""The Utah AG has not had any consultants on satanic crime since 2006 or any time, and certainly has not used Byington in any capacity including as a consultant, ever."

If Judy Byington lies about a huge claim so easily proved wrong, what nebulous claims are true in her book?
They edited out the link, but it's been approved:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3JKBF7T6MD0I6
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Comment from Felicity Lee on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2ATP6W...x2ED3X5N26VJ9V

"We use one account - ours' - we don't have to prove anything to you. I feel mostly sad for anyone who takes your accusations seriously. Your delusions of everyone having many accounts is just plain erroneous. Your accusations slanderous."

Did she just debunk herself? "We"?

Wouldn't you say, "I use one account - mine"?
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Who used to be a psych nurse ?

I know that the woman Ross re-diagnosed as MPD/DID in Alberta used to be a psych nurse, (his very first MPD/DID patient)
are you referring to someone else ?



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One of my comments got deleted. I had said that "Judy's response to her critics is to "read the book", by which she means "Buy the book". It was up for a few hours last night, at least, but now it seems to be gone.

ETA, no, it's not deleted, there are just a lot more comments and it was buried. Glad to see the lively discussion there.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UPDATE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<

I'm @ mcd's on an iPad and links are a pain. Could someone grab this and drop a link?
Judy's calendar has been updated on her Amazon page. Dr Phil is now Nov 16. Notice the change in ABC-4 info. No more interest? What's next...we contact Utah Costcos? They don't like swear word books. Wonder about fictional child rape? Wonder if they know....hmm?

Crowdsourced skeptic-journalism is all the rage. Nice work, JREFers!
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The ABC affiliate article claims it's been updated on the 29th (that is, yesterday) but I see no note about it as is usually the case (when I see article updates in other publications there's usually a note at the end stating something like "the original story claimed this but it has been corrected to claim that"). Does anyone have any idea what was changed?
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Comment from Felicity Lee on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2ATP6W...x2ED3X5N26VJ9V

"We use one account - ours' - we don't have to prove anything to you. I feel mostly sad for anyone who takes your accusations seriously. Your delusions of everyone having many accounts is just plain erroneous. Your accusations slanderous."

Did she just debunk herself? "We"?

Wouldn't you say, "I use one account - mine"?
She has now deleted that comment.
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I clicked the Dr. Phil show link and on Oct 31 its:

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Wednesday - October 31, 2012


Confronting Narcissistic Personalities

Dr. Phil’s guests say their family members are arrogant, entitled and think the world revolves around them. Seanna says her 25-year-old daughter, Corinne, compares herself to Gandhi and believes she’s so special that she deserves to star in her own reality show — but is she in need of a reality check? Corinne says her pretty face belongs on magazine covers, and admits that she manipulates people to get what she wants. What is driving her arrogance? When Dr. Phil uncovers a painful secret from her past, will she let down her guard? Then, Rosemarie is a mom of three and engaged to be married to Brian — she's also a self-proclaimed narcissist who admits that she seldom considers anyone else’s feelings. Rosemarie says it’s all about getting what she wants when she wants it — and she will stop at nothing to fulfill her desires. She admits that she alienates friends and family and is aware that her self-absorption may be destroying her relationship with her fiancé. Now, Rosemarie fears her narcissism is rubbing off on her 9-year-old daughter. Can Dr. Phil help her see a new perspective? Plus, can you spot a narcissist? Could it be you? Log on to DrPhil.com and take a quiz!
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Old 30th October 2012, 09:52 AM   #313
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Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
She has now deleted that comment.
Someone post it back up and ask her why she deleted it.
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
If I believed in demons, I'd believe these DID "therapists" were possessed by them. Demon cockroaches, even!
But the Demon Roaches are cute............
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Originally Posted by truethat View Post
Someone post it back up and ask her why she deleted it.
Always get screen shots when dealing with Felicity Lee...she likes to twist her tales.
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I'm having trouble negotiating Dr Phil's website, it keeps freezing my screen. Can anyone negotiate it well enough to find out when they are claiming this programme is due to air? I realise Byington claims Nov 16th, but I wouldn't believe her if she told me it was raining, I'd still look out the window to check.
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Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
I'm having trouble negotiating Dr Phil's website, it keeps freezing my screen. Can anyone negotiate it well enough to find out when they are claiming this programme is due to air? I realise Byington claims Nov 16th, but I wouldn't believe her if she told me it was raining, I'd still look out the window to check.
Trust me, it's raining. A Sandy-storm.
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I think Felicity and Judy went to the school, BSU. For the hell of it, here's the Byster's latest
http://www.amazon.com/Judy-Byington/..._athr_dp_pel_1
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Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
I'm having trouble negotiating Dr Phil's website, it keeps freezing my screen. Can anyone negotiate it well enough to find out when they are claiming this programme is due to air? I realise Byington claims Nov 16th, but I wouldn't believe her if she told me it was raining, I'd still look out the window to check.
Here's a possible...but hardly a probable scenario:

--Judy's last visit was not a taping but a briefing. They flew her out to be in the audience and chat with her and Jenny to see if there was a story there.

From the Byster's site:

"Dear Judy,
Thank you for taking the time to come to our show. I wish you great success with your book documenting the life of Jenny Hill and look forward to working with you in the future. God Bless!”
Dr. Phil, Paramount Pictures Hollywood" http://22faces.com/

--Judy misconstrued the taping (working with) which will take place on the 31st as a "live" showing.

--The actual airing is scheduled for the 16th.

--She updated her Amazon site to reflect these changes.


Lots of time for skeptical intervention. Of course, the more attention we give it, the more the Philistine will see an audience. We gotta make this not worth his time.
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Does anyone else see a streak of antisemitism in the "Dr. Greenbaum" character she's invented? I mean, a Nazi satanist mind control expert. How can she make him worse? Make him a Jew! I said as much in the comments section. I think her target audience are probably holocaust deniers, too.
YES! I emphatically DO see a streak of antisemitism that seems to crop up in conspiracy subcultures in general, nor do I think it's accidental that this Greenbaum is supposed to be a Jew. Jews have always been a convenient "other" upon whom blame was often leveled for economic and/or social maladies, thus there is a rich history of antisemitic lore that credulous "researchers" are bound to happen into when exploring the history of the Illuminati and megalomaniacal cults. All of the things said about the "satanists" were at one time or another presented as truisms about Jews. One can not, in my opinion, understand the folklore of the Illuminati without understanding the history of antisemitism, and it is still claimed (by the conspiracists) that the actual Bavarian Illuminati, when they did exist, were founded by Rothchilds -- despite the fact that the actual founder was a Jesuit, and membership (like many exclusive memberships in that time) explicitly excluded Jews. The Nazi oppression of Jews was built on conspiracy theories that still run rampant as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are still waved about, sometimes with a small concession to political correctness -- as in the case of William Cooper -- in which it is claimed that Jew means Illuminati, or that the conspiring Zionist aren't "true Jews".
Of course, you can point this out regarding Greenbaum, and Byington and her supporters will say, 'Well, the man happens to be Jewish. That's not our fault.' However, we know that he doesn't 'happen' to be Jewish. He is a fictional character that was MADE Jewish. And he was made Jewish for a reason.
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