20121031 Tonight Show - "Mentalist" Lior Suchard with Taylor Lautner

MichiganSkeptic · 4th November 2012, 07:13 PM

Lior Suchard’s Appearance on The Tonight Show - 20121031

This link shows part of “mentalist” Lior Suchard’s performance with Jay Leno and Taylor Lautner:

[triple w.]youtube.com/watch?v=7FbGSnTMXw0&feature=plcp

Mr. Suchard’s web site speaks about “supernatural” when addressing his performances.

Randi’s video demonstration of the hand magnet concealed with flesh colored tape does a nice job of showing how a pair of glasses (with a metal frame encased in plastic) can flip over in the hands of Jay Leno when Suchard’s hand is waved in the direction in which the glasses flip over. Not exactly “supernatural”.

[triple w.]youtube.com/watch?v=siDy1o9-swk

Then there’s how he reproduced Lautner’s “secret ATM PIN code” on posterboard in a way which looked quite remarkable. Did Lauter, who he acknowledge having met beforehand, get his wallet temporarily picked ahead of time? Did he have his PIN written on the back of his ATM card?

The fun came when Suchard wrote 16 seemingly random numbers down on posterboard (where only he and Lautner could see) and then Lautner confirmed that two digits on the board coincided with the first two digits of his PIN number. A freeze frame of the posterboard, which later was shown, demonstrates that the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 were 12 of the 16 numbers on the board. It would be difficult for the first two digits of Lautner's ATM PIN number NOT to be among those numbers. The other four numbers were 26, 27, 28 and 29.

Lior then proceeded to amaze everyone (including me, temporarily) by showing that the first two digits of the ATM PIN number (acknowledged by Lautner to be 47) coincided with the sums of each of the four rows on the board, with the sums of each of the four columns on the board, with the sums of both diagonals on the board, and with the sum of the four center numbers on the board.

Amazing? Yes. “Supernatural”? Hardly...

It seems that the above characteristics work with ANY two digit number which is 20 or greater. With “n” representing that number, here’s the 4 x 4 grid which he used, with 1-12 as fixed numbers. It brings about the result which was portrayed as the consequence of “supernatural” mental powers:

______________________________
|...............................................|
|.(n - 20)....1..........12.........7......|
|...............................................|
|...11..........8.......(n - 21)....2......|
|...............................................|
|...5..........10..........3.....(n - 18)..|
|...............................................|
|...4...... (n - 19)......6..........9.....|
|_____________________________|

It’s an interesting 4 x 4 mathematical grid, but nothing more.

There’s a line between being a “showman” and being a “con man”, and claiming to possess “supernatural” powers, when simply engaging in trickery, seems to cross that line.

MrBooglemaumau · 5th November 2012, 06:22 PM

Greetings Michiganskeptic , and thanks for the interesting post and explanation .Welcome to the Forum.No-one on this Planet possesses "Supernatural "powers ,if someone wants to prove me wrong, please do so by all means.....[and the best of Alderbaranian luck to you !]

philkensebben · 7th November 2012, 04:19 AM

Lior Lior pants on fior!

MichiganSkeptic · 15th February 2013, 10:27 AM

Not my phrase - but well suited to Lior Suchard.

He was on Jay Leno's Tonight Show (still viewable on the NBC web site) on the 11th of Feburary, 2013. He again professed super mental powers to influence minds and produce "amazing" results. Again he used suggestion and trickery to appear like a person with special powers.

There were two tricks. One fell reasonably flat, while the other appeared to be truly amazing - until you watch it in replay and see what he did.

The first involved the suggested drawing of smiley faces. He did one first, in a horizontal ellipse, and then "suggested" that James Spader draw another which, after a close stare down and the clicking of fingers by Suchard, was supposed to match his. Problem was that Spader wanted to draw his on a vertical ellipse - even in spite of Suchard's turning it to horizontal again. The noses went in opposite directions, and Spader put large ears on his, where Suchard had none. "Amazing?" Hardly!

Was hoping to attach an "avi" video clip, but it appears that only still shots can be uploaded. Will attach a few images later when time permits their making. You still can see the difference on line, and judge for yourself...

The other involved a switching of a randomly drawn dollar bill in a double envelope for one which he had preselected to match one which he had altered to spell "JayLenoShow" when the serial number is held upside down. It also involved Suchard's slight of hand use of a calculator with a "memory recall button" which "amazingly" came up with the same number. Will see if I can attach video screen shots of this in a later posting.

Great showman, yes - But truly a bad "Lior" with his pants "on fior!!"

poblob14 · 15th February 2013, 02:01 PM

I haven't seen him perform, but looking at his website, he doesn't strike me as anything more than a mentalist - a magician who does mental magic, in the tradition of Joe Dunninger, Tony Corinda, and Kreskin (although Kreskin has fallen off the deep end in the last decade or so). Is he more directly claiming something supernatural in his live appearances?

Turgor · 15th February 2013, 03:41 PM

Welcome to the forum MichiganSkeptic. I do agree that Lior Suchard seems to focus a lot on his abilities being supposedly supernatural on his site, but apart from that it does look like standard mentalism.

Now let magically linkify some of the YT vids you mentioned:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

ETA: Hmm, i can't even watch the first one, which is Lior Suchard's appearance on the tonight show, from outside the US. Luckily the video with Randi has no such restrictions

burrahobbit · 21st February 2013, 09:16 AM

Thanks Michigan sceptic for the post.

Saw a Lior Suchard show a few months back. Great showman. Doesn't make a big noise about "supernatural" stuff. Bills himself as the next Uri Geller (which put me off) but the show was good

THINKOFANUMBER · 13th March 2016, 12:23 AM

A young girl has challenged Lior Suchard's supernatural mentalist mind reading powers against her natural abilities...

Kid Eager · 13th March 2016, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by THINKOFANUMBER

A young girl has challenged Lior Suchard's supernatural mentalist mind reading powers against her natural abilities...

links?

THINKOFANUMBER · 14th March 2016, 02:14 AM

I googled under Lior Suchard challenge, also try Bree natural child mentalist

marplots · 14th March 2016, 05:38 AM

Is this it? Very bizarre.

http://www.eyemindreading.com/

jetmanskie · 17th March 2016, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by marplots

Is this it? Very bizarre.

Wow, that is one odd website. The pictures of the children are creepy.

THINKOFANUMBER · 19th March 2016, 04:49 AM

That's Doctor Gobbledygoo (google) a child with rare syndrome not expected to live beyond age 3, now 13 after umpteen operations. Maybe you could give him some words of encouragement taking on Lior Suchard?

THINKOFANUMBER · 19th March 2016, 09:10 PM

Doesn't he use a swami pencil to guess Larry King 2 digit number 27? google lior suchard challenge

Nay_Sayer · 20th March 2016, 10:47 AM

That site is making me question my sanity.

Kid Eager · 20th March 2016, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

That site is making me question my sanity.

Wrong question. The guy has serious mental health issues.

THINKOFANUMBER · 20th March 2016, 04:10 PM

Google The Diving Bell and The Butterfly, a movie about a man who authored a book by blinking his left eye, the only body movement he could utilise after an accident, a very natural method of communicating without Supernatural Powers. We are people with disability including mental health issues. Don't underestimate the abilities of people with disability. We are preparing to outperform Lior Suchard using natural abilities and don't rely on supernatural powers. We are not trained performers or magicians but we are out to outperform the supernatural powers, Yes we can transmit an image by converting it up to a hundred digit number in lots of natural but mystifying ways through a chain of people with disability quickly. We just have to practice a lot to provide a smooth performance to astound the world.

mifune · 27th March 2016, 05:53 AM

from the bizarro http://www.eyemindreading.com/ website:

Quote:

It doesn't matter how often I tell people I am just a fake healing clown doctor and surgical midwife into arithmotherapy and psycho numeric cripple ball gazing, and chairvoyant chairsentient chairaudient into Naked Carot Card Reading Humerology and Predictor of Gobbledygoo Arithmetic people want to believe that is just part of
an act of misdirection and that they really can be healed by my hands and voice.

It is easy for me to come up with the answer to the unknown sum relating to a your birthdate. I started talking Gobbledygoo when I was a baby and I have been at it all
my life. I was photographed with a woman and then she became the Queensland Attorney General.

if its not satire it should be.

Gord_in_Toronto · 27th March 2016, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by mifune

from the bizarro http://www.eyemindreading.com/ website:

if its not satire it should be.

Is not Truth stranger than Fiction?

THINKOFANUMBER · 27th March 2016, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Is not Truth stranger than Fiction?

Thank you, it seems the truth is too difficult for some to handle. It seems OK to claim to have supernatural powers to explain mystery performances. But kids claiming no supernatural powers challenging the supernatural mind readers of the world to read a 100 digit number from their minds seems just too hard to bare. Yes this can be done easily, and eye communication is not necessary. Information from one mind to another mind can be communicated in heaps of ways other than speech. Whichever method is used we are challenging those claiming to have supernatural powers to read our minds as we communicate in mystifying ways like the Piddingtons, and no we do it differently, no prior knowedge is required. We are not even amateurs but since Lior Suchard started making claims we don't believe in, we are challenging the supernatural powers of a mentalist of umpteen years experience against kids with no experience. Thanks to Lior Suchard, we realised we can outperform him. I wonder how long it will take him to ever respond to the message we sent him. It doesn't matter any supernatural mind reader will do.

Yes there is lots of satire in my websites about Nineapple Pineapple and Mrs Noughtfear but thinkofanumber.com is fair dinjum about challenging supernatural powers against natural abilities. We are skeptimental about any mentalist claiming help from the supernatural, and I think "proof" of supernatural powers harms and confuses people unnecessarilly. We don't need to be entertained by the supernatural.

Gord_in_Toronto · 27th March 2016, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by THINKOFANUMBER

Thank you, it seems the truth is too difficult for some to handle. It seems OK to claim to have supernatural powers to explain mystery performances. But kids claiming no supernatural powers challenging the supernatural mind readers of the world to read a 100 digit number from their minds seems just too hard to bare. Yes this can be done easily, and eye communication is not necessary. Information from one mind to another mind can be communicated in heaps of ways other than speech. Whichever method is used we are challenging those claiming to have supernatural powers to read our minds as we communicate in mystifying ways like the Piddingtons, and no we do it differently, no prior knowedge is required. We are not even amateurs but since Lior Suchard started making claims we don't believe in, we are challenging the supernatural powers of a mentalist of umpteen years experience against kids with no experience. Thanks to Lior Suchard, we realised we can outperform him. I wonder how long it will take him to ever respond to the message we sent him. It doesn't matter any supernatural mind reader will do.

Yes there is lots of satire in my websites about Nineapple Pineapple and Mrs Noughtfear but thinkofanumber.com is fair dinjum about challenging supernatural powers against natural abilities. We are skeptimental about any mentalist claiming help from the supernatural, and I think "proof" of supernatural powers harms and confuses people unnecessarilly. We don't need to be entertained by the supernatural.

There are 1-billion sites on the Internet. Not all of them contain factual information.

4th November 2012, 07:13 PM	#1
MichiganSkeptic New Blood Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2	20121031 Tonight Show - "Mentalist" Lior Suchard with Taylor Lautner Lior Suchard’s Appearance on The Tonight Show - 20121031 This link shows part of “mentalist” Lior Suchard’s performance with Jay Leno and Taylor Lautner: [triple w.]youtube.com/watch?v=7FbGSnTMXw0&feature=plcp Mr. Suchard’s web site speaks about “supernatural” when addressing his performances. Randi’s video demonstration of the hand magnet concealed with flesh colored tape does a nice job of showing how a pair of glasses (with a metal frame encased in plastic) can flip over in the hands of Jay Leno when Suchard’s hand is waved in the direction in which the glasses flip over. Not exactly “supernatural”. [triple w.]youtube.com/watch?v=siDy1o9-swk Then there’s how he reproduced Lautner’s “secret ATM PIN code” on posterboard in a way which looked quite remarkable. Did Lauter, who he acknowledge having met beforehand, get his wallet temporarily picked ahead of time? Did he have his PIN written on the back of his ATM card? The fun came when Suchard wrote 16 seemingly random numbers down on posterboard (where only he and Lautner could see) and then Lautner confirmed that two digits on the board coincided with the first two digits of his PIN number. A freeze frame of the posterboard, which later was shown, demonstrates that the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 were 12 of the 16 numbers on the board. It would be difficult for the first two digits of Lautner's ATM PIN number NOT to be among those numbers. The other four numbers were 26, 27, 28 and 29. Lior then proceeded to amaze everyone (including me, temporarily) by showing that the first two digits of the ATM PIN number (acknowledged by Lautner to be 47) coincided with the sums of each of the four rows on the board, with the sums of each of the four columns on the board, with the sums of both diagonals on the board, and with the sum of the four center numbers on the board. Amazing? Yes. “Supernatural”? Hardly... It seems that the above characteristics work with ANY two digit number which is 20 or greater. With “n” representing that number, here’s the 4 x 4 grid which he used, with 1-12 as fixed numbers. It brings about the result which was portrayed as the consequence of “supernatural” mental powers: ______________________________ \|...............................................\| \|.(n - 20)....1..........12.........7......\| \|...............................................\| \|...11..........8.......(n - 21)....2......\| \|...............................................\| \|...5..........10..........3.....(n - 18)..\| \|...............................................\| \|...4...... (n - 19)......6..........9.....\| \|_____________________________\| It’s an interesting 4 x 4 mathematical grid, but nothing more. There’s a line between being a “showman” and being a “con man”, and claiming to possess “supernatural” powers, when simply engaging in trickery, seems to cross that line.
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15th February 2013, 10:27 AM	#4
MichiganSkeptic New Blood Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2	Lior, Lior, Pants on Fior Not my phrase - but well suited to Lior Suchard. He was on Jay Leno's Tonight Show (still viewable on the NBC web site) on the 11th of Feburary, 2013. He again professed super mental powers to influence minds and produce "amazing" results. Again he used suggestion and trickery to appear like a person with special powers. There were two tricks. One fell reasonably flat, while the other appeared to be truly amazing - until you watch it in replay and see what he did. The first involved the suggested drawing of smiley faces. He did one first, in a horizontal ellipse, and then "suggested" that James Spader draw another which, after a close stare down and the clicking of fingers by Suchard, was supposed to match his. Problem was that Spader wanted to draw his on a vertical ellipse - even in spite of Suchard's turning it to horizontal again. The noses went in opposite directions, and Spader put large ears on his, where Suchard had none. "Amazing?" Hardly! Was hoping to attach an "avi" video clip, but it appears that only still shots can be uploaded. Will attach a few images later when time permits their making. You still can see the difference on line, and judge for yourself... The other involved a switching of a randomly drawn dollar bill in a double envelope for one which he had preselected to match one which he had altered to spell "JayLenoShow" when the serial number is held upside down. It also involved Suchard's slight of hand use of a calculator with a "memory recall button" which "amazingly" came up with the same number. Will see if I can attach video screen shots of this in a later posting. Great showman, yes - But truly a bad "Lior" with his pants "on fior!!"
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15th February 2013, 02:01 PM	#5
poblob14 Muse Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 623	I haven't seen him perform, but looking at his website, he doesn't strike me as anything more than a mentalist - a magician who does mental magic, in the tradition of Joe Dunninger, Tony Corinda, and Kreskin (although Kreskin has fallen off the deep end in the last decade or so). Is he more directly claiming something supernatural in his live appearances?
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21st February 2013, 09:16 AM	#7
burrahobbit Thinker Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 188	Thanks Michigan sceptic for the post. Saw a Lior Suchard show a few months back. Great showman. Doesn't make a big noise about "supernatural" stuff. Bills himself as the next Uri Geller (which put me off) but the show was good
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THINKOFANUMBER Student Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 31	Lior Suchard supernatural powers A young girl has challenged Lior Suchard's supernatural mentalist mind reading powers against her natural abilities...
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5th November 2012, 06:22 PM	#2
MrBooglemaumau Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 364	Greetings Michiganskeptic , and thanks for the interesting post and explanation .Welcome to the Forum.No-one on this Planet possesses "Supernatural "powers ,if someone wants to prove me wrong, please do so by all means.....[and the best of Alderbaranian luck to you !]

7th November 2012, 04:19 AM	#3
philkensebben Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,392	Lior Lior pants on fior!

13th March 2016, 12:32 AM	#9
Kid Eager Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,296	Originally Posted by THINKOFANUMBER A young girl has challenged Lior Suchard's supernatural mentalist mind reading powers against her natural abilities... links?
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THINKOFANUMBER Student Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 31	Lior Suchard Challenge I googled under Lior Suchard challenge, also try Bree natural child mentalist
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14th March 2016, 05:38 AM	#11
marplots Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 29,167	Is this it? Very bizarre. http://www.eyemindreading.com/

17th March 2016, 05:14 AM	#12
jetmanskie New Blood Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ottawa Posts: 23	Originally Posted by marplots Is this it? Very bizarre. Wow, that is one odd website. The pictures of the children are creepy.

19th March 2016, 04:49 AM	#13
THINKOFANUMBER Student Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 31	That's Doctor Gobbledygoo (google) a child with rare syndrome not expected to live beyond age 3, now 13 after umpteen operations. Maybe you could give him some words of encouragement taking on Lior Suchard?
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19th March 2016, 09:10 PM	#14
THINKOFANUMBER Student Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 31	Doesn't he use a swami pencil to guess Larry King 2 digit number 27? google lior suchard challenge
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Nay_Sayer I say nay! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,892	That site is making me question my sanity.
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Kid Eager Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,296	Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer That site is making me question my sanity. Wrong question. The guy has serious mental health issues.
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THINKOFANUMBER Student Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 31	Google The Diving Bell and The Butterfly, a movie about a man who authored a book by blinking his left eye, the only body movement he could utilise after an accident, a very natural method of communicating without Supernatural Powers. We are people with disability including mental health issues. Don't underestimate the abilities of people with disability. We are preparing to outperform Lior Suchard using natural abilities and don't rely on supernatural powers. We are not trained performers or magicians but we are out to outperform the supernatural powers, Yes we can transmit an image by converting it up to a hundred digit number in lots of natural but mystifying ways through a chain of people with disability quickly. We just have to practice a lot to provide a smooth performance to astound the world.
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27th March 2016, 05:53 AM	#18
mifune Thinker Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 144	from the bizarro http://www.eyemindreading.com/ website: Quote: It doesn't matter how often I tell people I am just a fake healing clown doctor and surgical midwife into arithmotherapy and psycho numeric cripple ball gazing, and chairvoyant chairsentient chairaudient into Naked Carot Card Reading Humerology and Predictor of Gobbledygoo Arithmetic people want to believe that is just part of an act of misdirection and that they really can be healed by my hands and voice. It is easy for me to come up with the answer to the unknown sum relating to a your birthdate. I started talking Gobbledygoo when I was a baby and I have been at it all my life. I was photographed with a woman and then she became the Queensland Attorney General. if its not satire it should be.
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27th March 2016, 08:14 AM	#19
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,697	Originally Posted by mifune from the bizarro http://www.eyemindreading.com/ website: if its not satire it should be. Is not Truth stranger than Fiction?
	__________________ "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick

27th March 2016, 02:29 PM	#20
THINKOFANUMBER Student Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 31	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Is not Truth stranger than Fiction? Thank you, it seems the truth is too difficult for some to handle. It seems OK to claim to have supernatural powers to explain mystery performances. But kids claiming no supernatural powers challenging the supernatural mind readers of the world to read a 100 digit number from their minds seems just too hard to bare. Yes this can be done easily, and eye communication is not necessary. Information from one mind to another mind can be communicated in heaps of ways other than speech. Whichever method is used we are challenging those claiming to have supernatural powers to read our minds as we communicate in mystifying ways like the Piddingtons, and no we do it differently, no prior knowedge is required. We are not even amateurs but since Lior Suchard started making claims we don't believe in, we are challenging the supernatural powers of a mentalist of umpteen years experience against kids with no experience. Thanks to Lior Suchard, we realised we can outperform him. I wonder how long it will take him to ever respond to the message we sent him. It doesn't matter any supernatural mind reader will do. Yes there is lots of satire in my websites about Nineapple Pineapple and Mrs Noughtfear but thinkofanumber.com is fair dinjum about challenging supernatural powers against natural abilities. We are skeptimental about any mentalist claiming help from the supernatural, and I think "proof" of supernatural powers harms and confuses people unnecessarilly. We don't need to be entertained by the supernatural.
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27th March 2016, 07:23 PM	#21
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,697	Originally Posted by THINKOFANUMBER Thank you, it seems the truth is too difficult for some to handle. It seems OK to claim to have supernatural powers to explain mystery performances. But kids claiming no supernatural powers challenging the supernatural mind readers of the world to read a 100 digit number from their minds seems just too hard to bare. Yes this can be done easily, and eye communication is not necessary. Information from one mind to another mind can be communicated in heaps of ways other than speech. Whichever method is used we are challenging those claiming to have supernatural powers to read our minds as we communicate in mystifying ways like the Piddingtons, and no we do it differently, no prior knowedge is required. We are not even amateurs but since Lior Suchard started making claims we don't believe in, we are challenging the supernatural powers of a mentalist of umpteen years experience against kids with no experience. Thanks to Lior Suchard, we realised we can outperform him. I wonder how long it will take him to ever respond to the message we sent him. It doesn't matter any supernatural mind reader will do. Yes there is lots of satire in my websites about Nineapple Pineapple and Mrs Noughtfear but thinkofanumber.com is fair dinjum about challenging supernatural powers against natural abilities. We are skeptimental about any mentalist claiming help from the supernatural, and I think "proof" of supernatural powers harms and confuses people unnecessarilly. We don't need to be entertained by the supernatural. There are 1-billion sites on the Internet. Not all of them contain factual information.
	__________________ "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick