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Old 16th November 2012, 07:04 AM   #41
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It is Fox affiliate KDVR
Oops. I did not know that, and left a comment sarcastically comparing them to FOX News.

Well don't I look like a FOX reporter now....
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There appear to be more than one object in this vid. Some of the objects certainly look like insects flying. The other object looks like mylar balloons. At two minutes the third object does not appear to be an insect in flight.
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There appear to be more than one object in this vid. Some of the objects certainly look like insects flying. The other object looks like mylar balloons. At two minutes the third object does not appear to be an insect in flight.
I think what you are seeing is different bugs, even types of bugs, at different distances from the camera but all equally out of focus.
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We have looked at the "UFO" video and it looks like terrestrial life to us.
www.rockymountainparanormal.com/foxufo.html
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Originally Posted by Sonny2 View Post
wait a minute - the news says the objects are not visible to the naked eye, yet the filmer says they're there several times a week.

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They only show up on film. Many because the bugs are close at hand and the observer is looking for something miles away. And probably swatting a bugs while doing that.
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Old 16th November 2012, 04:20 PM   #46
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I think what you are seeing is different bugs, even types of bugs, at different distances from the camera but all equally out of focus.
The object at 0.07 and 2:12 does not resemble a bug.
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The object at 0.07 and 2:12 does not resemble a bug.
So what does a bug 1.5" from the lens look like?
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Anybody want to bet it's somebody remote control project? Name your bet.
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Something along the lines of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTHWBSluUjU
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Originally Posted by Steve001 View Post
The object at 0.07 and 2:12 does not resemble a bug.
It resembles a bug to me. Especially in context.
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Originally Posted by my_wan View Post
Anybody want to bet it's somebody remote control project? Name your bet.
The pound of flesh closest to your heart?

Anyway, there's no way it could be a "remote control project". The object is either doing several thousand miles an hour at a distance or several inches a second much, much, closer. Film editors these days routinely edit out exactly the same effects, because they don't want insects in their footage.
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Originally Posted by Steve001 View Post
The object at 0.07 and 2:12 does not resemble a bug.
Take into account that it is out of focus and the signal degradation and look at it again.
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Take into account that it is out of focus and the signal degradation and look at it again.
As I understand it, the CCD can't handle near and far objects at the same time, so the processing software "guesses" at the shape and color of the "object".
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Originally Posted by Gawdzilla View Post
The pound of flesh closest to your heart?

Anyway, there's no way it could be a "remote control project". The object is either doing several thousand miles an hour at a distance or several inches a second much, much, closer. Film editors these days routinely edit out exactly the same effects, because they don't want insects in their footage.
If you do the math it doesn't have to be going near that speed. Here are some RC planes doing near 400 mph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oix6sHKzOLU
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If you do the math it doesn't have to be going near that speed. Here are some RC planes doing near 400 mph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oix6sHKzOLU
Distance was several miles, purportedly. So that's not germane.
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Distance was several miles, purportedly. So that's not germane.
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Distance was several miles, purportedly. So that's not germane.
We can't even talk about distance without some minimal amount of triangulation. The idea presented here that it's an insect much closer would be falsified as well by that claim. I would bet it's closer to a quarter mile, and not generally more than a half mile. Even at a quarter mile a small RC plane can be difficult to see. Just listen to the news channels expert talk about how it was too fast, then opine that maybe it could be debris raised up by the atmosphere. This could only be justified by the size of the debris being reduced to the order of a small RC design. Even if its actual distance was somewhat farther out the visual effects of speed on camera would correspond to its effective distance after any camera or software zoom. In fact any such exaggeration of the zoom effect would increase at the inverse square of the zoom while the background remained relatively more stable. I'm betting this is no standard RC design, but the performance characteristics are being exaggerated by visual effects.
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I'm betting this is no standard RC design[...]
I'm betting it's insects. Because it looks like insects, and it's in a place where you'd expect to find lots of insects.
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As I understand it, the CCD can't handle near and far objects at the same time, so the processing software "guesses" at the shape and color of the "object".
I did not know that but it further explains the difficulty in visual identification.
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I'm betting it's insects. Because it looks like insects, and it's in a place where you'd expect to find lots of insects.
I have to agree. While a non standard RC design flying somewhere in the FOV is possible I think bugs make more sense.

RC planes are noisy, I don't think someone would fly one in a residential area, if they were in the field it would be obvious, and the repeated sighting on multiple days makes it unlikely unless it was some kind of club which would be obvious as well.
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We can't even talk about distance without some minimal amount of triangulation. The idea presented here that it's an insect much closer would be falsified as well by that claim. I would bet it's closer to a quarter mile, and not generally more than a half mile. Even at a quarter mile a small RC plane can be difficult to see. Just listen to the news channels expert talk about how it was too fast, then opine that maybe it could be debris raised up by the atmosphere. This could only be justified by the size of the debris being reduced to the order of a small RC design. Even if its actual distance was somewhat farther out the visual effects of speed on camera would correspond to its effective distance after any camera or software zoom. In fact any such exaggeration of the zoom effect would increase at the inverse square of the zoom while the background remained relatively more stable. I'm betting this is no standard RC design, but the performance characteristics are being exaggerated by visual effects.
I don't think so. It wasn't just small, it was out of focus. And I guarantee there's no Weldon ridge there for it to be a dynamic soaring sailplane.
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So what does a bug 1.5" from the lens look like?
A bug that close to a camera focused at infinity would look like blob.
The two objects have somewhat defined edges resembling a bunch of mylar balloons.
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A bug that close to a camera focused at infinity would look like blob.
What do you base that on? The CCD is unpredictable when the object is wildly out of parameters. NSA has this problem, but they don't talk about it much.
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The two objects have somewhat defined edges resembling a bunch of mylar balloons.
How do you know that's an accurate representation of the object being filmed?
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Quite often aliens are insectoid beings, so everyone so far is quite correct to say this footage is of insects. The UFO'ers are also correct. Insect beings landed a craft in another field, went exploring, then darted around this field looking for their craft. They were simply a little confused.

Glad I could clear everything up.
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Originally Posted by Gawdzilla View Post
The pound of flesh closest to your heart?

Anyway, there's no way it could be a "remote control project". The object is either doing several thousand miles an hour at a distance or several inches a second much, much, closer. Film editors these days routinely edit out exactly the same effects, because they don't want insects in their footage.

They also routinely edit out distant objects as well, depending on the period of the film. A movie about farm workers in the 14th century rather loses credibility when you can see a 747 leaving contrails in the background sky.
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Oh great -- bug size UFOs. Bad enough they do that probe thing on humans; now they're small enough to fly up there and get a first-hand look for themselves.
That was hysterical!
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A bunch of Redditers took it on. http://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comme...followup_post/
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So it turns out that the answer is flies? Whodathunkit?
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They also routinely edit out distant objects as well, depending on the period of the film. A movie about farm workers in the 14th century rather loses credibility when you can see a 747 leaving contrails in the background sky.
I remember the Wild West movie with the contrails very well.
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So it turns out that the answer is flies? Whodathunkit?
Well, some folks have been saying that all along.
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Well, some folks have been saying that all along.
Including me, if you read back over the thread.
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Including me, if you read back over the thread.
You are definitely a subset of "some folks".

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Alians leave behind mutalated carcasses.1
Flies are attracted to mutilated carcasses.2
Flies were discovered at the site. QED


1. The discovery of past mutilated carcasses proves that alians do not take all mutilated carcasses with them.
2. A presumption based on the fact that flies are attracted to non mutilated carcasses and if mutalated carcasses did not attract flies this would be a significant finding in and of itself.
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Somebody do the math for me, please.

Take one frame of "film" from the video. It shows the object traversing the frame, covering 50% of the frame in a single streak.

Now, for every meter of length, how fast would it be moving? For example, if it's 100 meters long and travels 50% of the frame in a single "exposure", how fast is going and how far away would it have to be to stay in the frame while traveling at that speed?

Poorly formed, I know, but that's why I'm asking for help with the math.
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So it turns out that the answer is flies? Whodathunkit?
I guess that makes you .... Lord of the flies!


YEEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHH!


That has to be the best comment ever.
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Somebody do the math for me, please.

Take one frame of "film" from the video. It shows the object traversing the frame, covering 50% of the frame in a single streak.

Now, for every meter of length, how fast would it be moving? For example, if it's 100 meters long and travels 50% of the frame in a single "exposure", how fast is going and how far away would it have to be to stay in the frame while traveling at that speed?

Poorly formed, I know, but that's why I'm asking for help with the math.
I don't think we have enough info to do that math.
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I don't think we have enough info to do that math.
What's missing?

If it's 10 meters long and cover 50% of the frame in the duration of the frame it has to be going at X speed and be Y distance away from the lens to stay in the frame at that speed.

I think.
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What's missing?

If it's 10 meters long and cover 50% of the frame in the duration of the frame it has to be going at X speed and be Y distance away from the lens to stay in the frame at that speed.

I think.
Depends on the angle of view of the used lens.
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Depends on the angle of view of the used lens.
If the path of travel is at right angles to the lens that would be the shortest transit distance, anything else would be long. So KISS and assume 90 degrees to the lens.
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Old 18th November 2012, 08:54 AM   #80
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If the path of travel is at right angles to the lens that would be the shortest transit distance, anything else would be long. So KISS and assume 90 degrees to the lens.
No, not the angle of travel. The angle of view. For example, GoPro cameras are "wide angle" lenses, and have a wide field of view. Telephoto lenses have a narrow field of view.
Zoom lenses have a variable field of view. You can start with a wide angle shot and "zoom in" so you have a much narrower field of view.

Still, since it's a known location, you could find distant landmarks on the edges of the frame, and use those to get an angle of view.

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