French psychic, "Jacques Nietzermann" predicts 9/11, Obama presidency in 1980...

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French psychic, "Jacques Nietzermann" predicts 9/11, Obama presidency in 1980...

These videos (claimed to be recorded in 1980) contains a French American psychic by the name of Jacques Nietzermann. He manages to make some astonishingly accurate predictions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAIQJmE75vg

In another video he's shown supposedly using telekinesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3gMJ1lNJw&

And here's a Spanish article that includes images that seem to be of the same person from the same period:

http://es.paperblog.com/existio-el-medium-jacques-nietzermann-854548/

The first thing you'll likely notice is that the first video is really clean in quality for being, supposedly, from 1980. The set looks legitimate for the most part (this is coming from someone born in '92, so please forgive me) if it's fake.

Two things I've noticed is:

1. There looks to be a CD jewel case sitting on the record desk in the back. It also looks like it could be a silver colored edge of the top of a cassette player.

2. The clock on the piano doesn't move throughout the video. This isn't really evidence against the time frame, but a broken clock means it's somewhat more likely it was a hand-me-down or something bought in a thrift store to make a set look old.

The guy seems to be acting (poorly) in some parts of the video.

Your thoughts?
 
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wollclark said:
These videos (claimed to be recorded in 1980) contains a French American psychic by the name of Jacques Nietzermann. He manages to make some astonishingly accurate predictions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAIQJmE75vg

In another video he's shown supposedly using telekinesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3gMJ1lNJw&

And here's a Spanish article that includes images that seem to be of the same person from the same period:

http://es.paperblog.com/existio-el-medium-jacques-nietzermann-854548/

The first thing you'll likely notice is that the first video is really clean in quality for being, supposedly, from 1980. The set looks legitimate for the most part (this is coming from someone born in '92, so please forgive me) if it's fake.

Two things I've noticed is:

1. There looks to be a CD jewel case sitting on the record desk in the back. It also looks like it could be a silver colored edge of the top of a cassette player.

2. The clock on the piano doesn't move throughout the video. This isn't really evidence against the time frame, but a broken clock means it's somewhat more likely it was a hand-me-down or something bought in a thrift store to make a set look old.

The guy seems to be acting (poorly) in some parts of the video.

Your thoughts?
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:rolleyes:
 
I think that if I had the ability to accurately predict future events I would choose a medium other than youtube to
prove myself
 
The Spanish blogger includes a newspaper clipping to 'prove' the psychic is real.
Well, there are several websites where you can spoof newspaper clippings in less than 5 minutes, so colour me unimpressed.

I call internet hoax.
 
Never heard of him.

http://es.paperblog.com/existio-el-medium-jacques-nietzermann-854548/

The two photo in the middle show a hoax, left to the woman in white is not him but somebody else.



http://m1.paperblog.com/i/85/854548/existio-el-medium-jacques-nietzermann-L-s4_gnO.jpeg

And usualy when somebody pretend to have predicted something 30 years ago you can be sure it is one of those explanation :
1) hoax
2) post diction
3) prediction which are far away from the real event but contorted and twisted more than chinese circuse girl to fit into the real event

I have never ever saw one of those :
4) real genuine prediction (haha never happen!)


ETA: and no citing the source of the paper clipping or citing the source of the video which could get checked against genuine video database (like the one at ina.fr) => I automatic call that a hoax.

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Hotlinks removed re rule 5; NSFW added re rule 10.
 
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I attempted to find an album cover art database for Carousel but came up empty. (It's seen in frame above his left shoulder.) But agree the film looks too clean (first video), and his hair looks a bit wig-like. Nothing to back that up though.
 
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Too many cutely on the nose buzzwords. They should have dialed that down a bit. The self-consciously dorky early eighties hair isn't quite right, either, somehow. In any case anyone who was taken in by this will presumably calm down after the end of this year or at least find something else to obsess over. Everything about it feels like it was put together by people who aren't nearly as clever as they think they are, right down to the hackneyed "we're done here" storming off the set. None of it rings true unless you're a deeply credulous teenager.

Shame the image size is so small. I'd wager that if you could get a proper look at the reflection in his glasses you'd find that the video camera taping him is a modern model;)

One of the posters to the YouTube clip claims the man is a French comedian named Thomas Oliver. Anyone familiar with him?
 
Aepervius said:
I am not sure what you see as debunking. Maybe I missed it ? I started glazing over when the cheer amount of stupid of some of the post starting to hit my brain.
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No worries.
This was what I saw:
If the newspaper article is legit, it is from May 30th, 1980 through June 2 or 3rd, 1980. Most likely on the June side. The article below is of Pope John Paul II's visit to Paris. According to the vatican records (see link below), Pope John Paul's first official visit to Paris was May 30th through June 2nd, 1980. Since the article is speaking in "past tense", I assume the article could have been written as far out as June 3rd or so.

Just to be sure, I checked the records, and the Pope's second visit to Paris did not occur until 1986. The article also mentions Jacque Chirac was there to greet the pope, who later (1995) would become the French President. However, at the time, he would have been Mayor of Paris, which makes sense, as the article also mentions the "L'Hotel De Ville a Paris", which is like the Paris Town Hall. I realize I am being a bit detailed here, but the timing is specific. Chirac was Prime Minister of France from 1974-1976 and also from 1986-1988. In french, it would not be unreasonable to refer to him as Jacque Chirac if he was ONLY mayor of Paris. However, if he held the title of Prime Minister, the article would have referred to him as "Premier ministre Jacque Chirac". This means, between two visits of the Pope... 1980 and 1986, it would HAVE TO BE 1980. ... Vatican Travel of Pope John Paul II to Paris, May 30-June 2, 1980:
www.vatican.va...
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The part I am having a very hard time with: The image of the guy in the "arrest" article is of a man who is at least 10-15 years OLDER than the person in the video, presumably of the same year. I am basing this off of the larger nose, defined perenthesis lines (the wrinkles outlining the mouth). I realize we use makeup in filming, but you can't cover up lines like that... the person in the arrest photo has deep grooves around the nose, the man in the video doesn't even have a hint.
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And yes, it wasn't pleasant wading through those pages of posts.
It's because the newspaper 'clipping' set off my bs alarm that I was able to get to the third page, where this post can be found.
 
It is only a PREdiction if we hear about it and know what it means BEFORE the event happens.
 
The tie and the haircut...

The tie is a later color scheme than what was being worn in the 80s. Stripes were not a big trend again until around the 90s. Back then, solid colors and prints/designs were the trend. (Around that year, we went to ultra skinny ties, in fact.) The silver-gray and white is a color scheme that you see now. It may have been available back then, but I don't think so. Stripes were generally of the red, blue, black, white, gold varieties.

The hair length is about right. The haircut is not. The 80s semi-short (or semi-long) cut was more irregular and disheveled. His cut is very tapered and fitted around the ears and neck. Note the person in the photo that he's been photo-shopped into. That sort of rough look was actually the style. Our stylists and haircutters worked to get it that way. His cut is current as it's designed to look fuller on top but be neat and easily straightened around the lower fringes.

And the jeans, while non-descript black, just don't seem right. Not sure what about them bothers me. The fit seems more today than 30 years ago.

I doubt you can track any anachronisms from the video. They made a point of assembling things that were 80s or older, I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure they'll let it run for a while but someone (or the people who made it) will come out with the big reveal after they've raised enough consternation. Or... 2013 will come around and they'll all start working on the End of the World Part XXIII.
 
Elsewhere in that Above Top Secret thread, someone points out that the email address at the end of the video (hm2012@ymail.com) can be correlated with a site hm2012.ca, which is now gone. But you can see some text in that thread that was scraped from the site then.

Both of those related to Happening Marketing 2012 which apparently was a marketing related event held in March. Here is their Facebook page. Note this video appeared in January, which would have been right in the run-up to that event in March. Also, it is in Quebec which explains the use of French.

Further googling turns up this page on a McGill University site which indicates Happening Marketing had several competitions for marketing students.

I think that ATS poster reached the correct conclusion, amazingly enough. This was a viral video created by one of the students competing at HM2012, or as part of a presentation/demonstration for that event.
 
I did not watch the video but if one knew about 9/11 in advance and did nothing to warn people, then one must have the highest possible score on any measure of sociopathy.
 
catsmate1 said:
Wow, even more surprising than a fake prediction, ATS actually debunking something......
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Well, that's part of a trend among believers and conspiradroids over the past few years. The Hush-a-Boom controlled demolition on 9/11 fans love trashing the no-planers, various bigfoot fans work hard to debunk obvious frauds in bigfootery, etc... It's not so much that they don't believe; it's that they believe in their pet theory over all others.
 
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