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Old 21st November 2012, 12:27 PM   #41
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So does the First Family just not eat turkey for Thanksgiving dinner?

Or does the president make a show of pardoning these turkeys, even as the White House chef is busy dressing a pair of 22-pound Butterballs in the kitchen?

Seems like a pretty stupid tradition to me. Either the First Family should forgo turkey altogether for the holiday meal, or the President should graciously accept the generous gift of two premium birds, and put them to the traditional use enjoyed by Americans nationwide on that day.
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Old 21st November 2012, 12:33 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by The_Fire View Post
You CAN shoot a Reindeer with buckshots, but at VERY short range. Otherwise you just wound the poor thing. Bad form for hunters.
Indeed. Shotguns are commonly used for whitetail deer where I grew up and hunted in the US South. They're effective at shorter ranges and in cover, especially if the animal is on the move. At short range, a 2¾" shell of #00 buckshot packs quite a punch, delivering 9 or 10 leads balls, each measuring .33 inches in diameter. However, the shot pattern spreads one inch per yard of range...more or less, depending on barrel choke.

The deer we ate were shot with a 308 cal. rifle (to those whom that makes sense). [/quote]

One of my favorite rounds. A .308-inch diameter, 200-grain bullet ripping along at ~2,400 ft/sec packs quite a punch, too...only out to much greater range.
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Old 21st November 2012, 12:37 PM   #43
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Oh...and speaking of turkeys...our 17-pounder goes in the brine tonight. Tomorrow, it gets skewered on a spit before taking a nice long ride on the grill's rotisserie.
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Old 21st November 2012, 12:39 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by PetersCreek View Post

One of my favorite rounds. A .308-inch diameter, 200-grain bullet ripping along at ~2,400 ft/sec packs quite a punch, too...only out to much greater range.

Me too...thousands of snipers can't be wrong!
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Old 21st November 2012, 12:45 PM   #45
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Christmas? Duck or venison.
Hey kids! Christmas is cancelled, Santa can't get here because the atheists ate Rudolph.
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~~~~The Grouse on the other hand were the ones we pulled buckshot out of. My memory got fouled up.
Doubt that. Buckshot runs about 10 pellets/oz. While a hit would certainly kill a grouse, there's a fair chance the bird would dodge all of them. And you wouldn'r have to pull the shot out - straight through. Which brings up the 9+ pellets that miss. Shooting that many pellets - each larger than .22 rifile bullet - into the air, kinda like an afghani wedding.

Grouse needs birdshot (not buckshot), about 300 pellets/oz. More likely to hit, less damage to the meat, no downrange hazard.
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Originally Posted by Noztradamus View Post
Doubt that. Buckshot runs about 10 pellets/oz. While a hit would certainly kill a grouse, there's a fair chance the bird would dodge all of them. And you wouldn'r have to pull the shot out - straight through. Which brings up the 9+ pellets that miss. Shooting that many pellets - each larger than .22 rifile bullet - into the air, kinda like an afghani wedding.

Grouse needs birdshot (not buckshot), about 300 pellets/oz. More likely to hit, less damage to the meat, no downrange hazard.

Buckshot, birdshot: Its all called Haglpatron down here. (Yes, I know theres a difference and the mistake was mine. Dad most likely used the Birdshot, but he didn't go into details other than calling the gun used for the birds a Haglgevær so in my addled mind I simply used buckshot. Sry).
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Old 21st November 2012, 01:40 PM   #48
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Oh, well...it's new to me!


I don't get it.
They ask to spare a pardon for turkey.... Thzus People Eating Turkey *anyway*

OK maybe not as funny as i thought...
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Old 21st November 2012, 02:05 PM   #49
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Ya know, these peta-people...The running joke in my family is that one should take these morons, drop them in the middle of the Serengeti with a tree and a herd of VERY hungry lions, monitor the entire thing with remotes cameras and make it a betting event on when they start

A: Trying to negotiate with the hungry lions since all predators are simply misunderstood herbivores and that the world is filled with unicorns shooting rainbows out their rears

B: Realize that A doesn't work and start sacrificing each other since Humans obviously doesn't rank the same high level as animals and animals should not be killed while humans are perfectly fine to kill to appease the animals

C: Finally realize that B is false and start throwing each other out of the tree for pure self preservation

D: Start making weapons out of tree branches since C is only delaying dying until you starve to death.

Anyone up for a guess?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
So does the First Family just not eat turkey for Thanksgiving dinner?

Or does the president make a show of pardoning these turkeys, even as the White House chef is busy dressing a pair of 22-pound Butterballs in the kitchen?

Seems like a pretty stupid tradition to me. Either the First Family should forgo turkey altogether for the holiday meal, or the President should graciously accept the generous gift of two premium birds, and put them to the traditional use enjoyed by Americans nationwide on that day.
It's supposed to be cute and humorous. With PETA's input, it's even more so this year.
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Old 21st November 2012, 03:04 PM   #51
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I strongly suspect they have a lot of members who are far worse than idiots.
the foot necklace leaves a lil bit tendon out so you can open and close the turkey fist.

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Old 21st November 2012, 03:08 PM   #52
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In Norway, reindeer are domesticated, so no need to shoot them.
Just invite them in, bash their heads and roast the buggers!!!
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Old 21st November 2012, 05:38 PM   #54
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http://www.circleoffood.com/blog/200...uffing-really/ Well, for what its worth, should Hostess really meet its demise, there's always the option of baking your own twinkling turkey using one of these>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Official-Hos...item1c2db0a5fd .........
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Originally Posted by StankApe View Post
There is no way on this planet that ANYBODY who has had delicious turkey and TURKEY ***** GRAVY!!!, could even fathom using the word 'overrated"


you are officially in time out!




I love freshly cooked turkey with potatoes/gravy, fresh cornbread (real southern cornbread, not that Yankee stuff that's more like cake) with real butter, and Jack Daniels pie. If I'm ever offered a last meal, that's what I'm ordering!

Then again, I don't really have to wait for a last meal, I can go cook all that myself!
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Old 21st November 2012, 06:50 PM   #56
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Old 21st November 2012, 07:38 PM   #57
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I'm gonna eat extra turkey tomorrow just because of this thread.

Hurray meat!
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Old 21st November 2012, 07:42 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
According to the link in the link, nobody is going to eat either of these birds anyway.

If you eat all your turkeys at Thanksgiving, what are you going to have for Christmas dinner?

Rolfe.
In celebration of the Jewish boy who went into his Father's business, we eat pigs.
makes as much sense as most religious stuff...
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Putting out 20 pounder in the brine right now.

This thread makes me want to go buy a ham too.
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Being deliciously comestible is turkeys' divine punishment for being noisily stupid ...
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episo...-episode/7378/ But really now, are turkeys as stupid as we think? Mind you's, i'm not just talking wild turkeys here, but the farm bred version as well. My main point for this thread being, we really should give plenty thanks for that which has been offered, whether in a divine way or not, as a means towards our survival. .. As for PETA, hope you's enjoyed the stuffing.
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spare the rod, spoil the turkey
Stuff the bloody turkey!

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If God didn't want me eating babies, he wouldn't have made them from meat. Yummy, delicious meat.

For every baby you don't eat, I'm eating three.

For every PETA post on this thread . . . . I'm . . . I dunno, I usually think the discourse about PETA is pretty immature on both sides.
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I am shocked, shocked I say by the incredibly creative and rational responses in the thread.
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Ya know, these peta-people...The running joke in my family is that one should take these morons, drop them in the middle of the Serengeti with a tree and a herd of VERY hungry lions, monitor the entire thing with remotes cameras and make it a betting event on when they start

A: Trying to negotiate with the hungry lions since all predators are simply misunderstood herbivores and that the world is filled with unicorns shooting rainbows out their rears

B: Realize that A doesn't work and start sacrificing each other since Humans obviously doesn't rank the same high level as animals and animals should not be killed while humans are perfectly fine to kill to appease the animals

C: Finally realize that B is false and start throwing each other out of the tree for pure self preservation

D: Start making weapons out of tree branches since C is only delaying dying until you starve to death.

Anyone up for a guess?
I didn't know lions ate straw.
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Also from a meat eater that's a pretty interresting statement.

Alternatively you might want to ask the mods to rename you as "Abel".
Why would he need to change his name? Cain was the organic vegan farmer who killed his factory farming brother Abel in revenge and also a desire to save all the little lambs from being slaughtered.


BTW, based on the title of this thread I thought PETA were asking Obama to eat more turkey.
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Why would he need to change his name? Cain was the organic vegan farmer who killed his factory farming brother Abel in revenge and also a desire to save all the little lambs from being slaughtered.


BTW, based on the title of this thread I thought PETA were asking Obama to eat more turkey.
Oh yes you are right I had it wrong.

So god prefer meat eater.

"The Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5but He did not have regard for Cain and his offering. Cain was furious, and he was downcast"

I guess that settled then .

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Ya know, these peta-people...The running joke in my family is that one should take these morons, drop them in the middle of the Serengeti with a tree and a herd of VERY hungry lions, monitor the entire thing with remotes cameras and make it a betting event on when they start

A: Trying to negotiate with the hungry lions since all predators are simply misunderstood herbivores and that the world is filled with unicorns shooting rainbows out their rears

B: Realize that A doesn't work and start sacrificing each other since Humans obviously doesn't rank the same high level as animals and animals should not be killed while humans are perfectly fine to kill to appease the animals

C: Finally realize that B is false and start throwing each other out of the tree for pure self preservation

D: Start making weapons out of tree branches since C is only delaying dying until you starve to death.

Anyone up for a guess?
Ha! Sounds like a good idea for a reality show!

Personally, I thought we could just shoot them (I prefer crossbow hunting), since they want to be herbivores so much.

The important thing is that they're dead!
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I am shocked, shocked I say by the incredibly creative and rational responses in the thread.
Maybe if there weren't so many PETA threads with nothing new in them.

I'm all for animal welfare groups. If they can prove animals are being mistreated or needlessly harmed, I support them in removing the animals from their owner. But PETA isn't even a full step away from the lunacy of the Animal Liberation Front, and even funds them directly and openly.

They're so much against the ownership of pets that they kill a larger percent of strays than any shelter, so I'm compelled to be against them.

They're against the ownership of animals for any reason, which would mean the quick deaths of billions of domesticated animals that wouldn't last in the wild, followed by the deaths of billions of people from the lack of food. Attempted omnicide is not an action I can support.

I usually try to use three examples, but I have no idea how to follow up on that last point. That's how ludicrous they are. What do you want us to say?
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I usually try to use three examples, but I have no idea how to follow up on that last point. That's how ludicrous they are. What do you want us to say?
You could point out that when land is cleared for growing crops, wild animals are killed or displaced. No matter what, if a human is going to survive, an animal is going to die. There is no nice, tidy way around it.

Pass the roast, please?
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Promoting vegetarianism isn't bad. The way PETA does it, is stupid. They don't understand that most people don't consider eating meat murder, probably because most people don't consider non-humans to be people. They also don't understand that trying to guilt people into not eating meat doesn't work because of the fact that eating meat isn't murder.

They need to recalibrate their strategy and just give people facts about nutrition, how eating too much meat may be bad. Maybe talk about the methane production of cows and global warming. Benefits of eating vegetarian only diets. Show off sexy, vegan models and such.

That said. I'm having some turkey today! Yum.
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Why would he need to change his name? Cain was the organic vegan farmer who killed his factory farming brother Abel in revenge and also a desire to save all the little lambs from being slaughtered.


BTW, based on the title of this thread I thought PETA were asking Obama to eat more turkey.
I think they are more into Tofurkey - may the FSM bless them with the loss of their tastebuds that they be not throwing up Thanksgiving dinner.
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Promoting vegetarianism isn't bad. The way PETA does it, is stupid. They don't understand that most people don't consider eating meat murder, probably because most people don't consider non-humans to be people. They also don't understand that trying to guilt people into not eating meat doesn't work because of the fact that eating meat isn't murder.

They need to recalibrate their strategy and just give people facts about nutrition, how eating too much meat may be bad. Maybe talk about the methane production of cows and global warming. Benefits of eating vegetarian only diets. Show off sexy, vegan models and such.

That said. I'm having some turkey today! Yum.
Basically, they do not understand rational humans and how they function.

And, did you have bacon with your turkey? They are delicious together - Hot Brown or Club Sandwich anyone???
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tomorrow or saturday will be Turkey Tetrasaagne (lik Terazinni, but made in lasagne form) That stuff is just incredible (good enuff for Jehova I would say!)
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tomorrow or saturday will be Turkey Tetrasaagne (lik Terazinni, but made in lasagne form) That stuff is just incredible (good enuff for Jehova I would say!)
Turkey hash! That is all.
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Mmmmmmmmmm. Turkey. I actually eat roast turkey quite regularly, and not only on Thanksgiving and Christmas, but I couldn't resist posting in this thread for the lulz.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 04:45 PM   #77
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Originally Posted by StankApe View Post
tomorrow or saturday will be Turkey Tetrasaagne (lik Terazinni, but made in lasagne form) That stuff is just incredible (good enuff for Jehova I would say!)
And there's even a recipe for turkey dog bones. http://allrecipes.com/recipe/bries-t...rry-dog-bones/

EAT MORE TURKEY!!!
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Old 23rd November 2012, 06:28 PM   #78
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I really wish people would stop confusing conservation, animal welfare, and animal rights. The first two are reasonable and mostly sane.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 09:48 PM   #79
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Originally Posted by Stomatopoda View Post
I really wish people would stop confusing conservation, animal welfare, and animal rights. The first two are reasonable and mostly sane.
Agreed!
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Old 23rd November 2012, 10:33 PM   #80
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Actually, I'd argue that animal welfare is more irrational, as it is usually based on whatever arbitrary sentiments happen to catch a person's fancy. (Comparing the intellectual arguments for both camps, not the loons that might be in any camp.)
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