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Can anyone help me identify the source of this video?
This is something I've seen being passed around by nutters on Youtube as a legit video that was "leaked". Naturally, they have no clue where it came from but accept it as gospel. I'm assuming it's CGI from a documentary but I'd like to pinpoint the source. It's about 20 seconds into the video where he humorously asks "where did this video surface?" and doesn't think twice about attempting to answer his own question. Can anyone help?
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It's crappy CGI. The hole is the exit hole from INSIDE of the inner ring wall. Ironically it's smaller than the 'hole who posted this sad delusional video.
Then there's the whole problem of the blast having too much fire to come from any US cruise missile. File under comedy. |
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But why is this video not more abundantly found on the internet?!
![]() The video is laughable, but I'm particularly curious about the CGI. I'd like to be able to say "umm...that's from a TV show" and hopefully cause a chain reaction of common sense. And yes, I know I'm naive for expecting common sense from anyone the truther crowd. ![]() I suspect it was pulled from a documentary depicting AA 77 or it's an artist's extra truthy rendition of what a missle would look like hitting the Pentagon, but I'd like to be able to name the source just for the sake of shutting down an argument. I was hoping someone here had seen it before. |
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First hint. "Flies" in from north side of helipad, not the south side as only a few minutes of Googlinvestigation would demonstrate.
Second hint. Conspicuous absence of generator and construction trailers. How many more kids in their parents basements will demonstrate their utter ignorance on Youtube? |
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They'll believe it because they want to believe it. Just like the fake WTC7 video. Truthers are idiots.
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Common sense has clearly been snuck up on from behind beaten several times on the head and left to bleed. Over 140 pieces of evidence showing American 77 hit the Pentagon http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/ http://www.youtube.com/user/cjnewson88 |
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Also note that left and right are switched, some truthers pimped this a few years back
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I posted a comment on the video pointing out the obvious. My comment was deleted and I was blocked from further comments. Strange how 'truthers' don't want to hear the truth
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It's somewhat old.
This video shows the original footage where that was taken from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3tMbY9E5gc And this thread deals with the video too: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=174346 |
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Very telling that not a single 911 cult kiddie will even try to answer where this obvious fraud of a video came from.
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If 9/11 conspiracy is all about "the truth" then why do they embrace lies by making and spreading all sorts of these fraudulent videos?
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I *********** love truthers! Endlessly entertaining, so quick to cry fake on many things then cracking out this pile of ********. Excellent!
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Has the creator of this particular video been identified as a member of the truth movement? I'm just curious because there is another well known hoax video of WTC7 which was not created by a member of the truth movement (though it fooled more than a few...), so I think jumping to the immediate conclusion that all fakery is from the truth movement is premature. |
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I'll go with the qualified experts, over some ranting guy on the internet that claims he has "the truth". Always beware of those that overuse, capitalize and blanket themselves in them word "truth". I may not always know the truth, but i do know when i'm being lied too. |
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Hi Platypus.
I didn't intend to suggest that you had jumped to any conclusions, and please forgive me if I used your statement in order to illustrate a general point. That said, it does seem to suggest that fakery like (and possibly including) the subject of the OP can be attributed to followers of the truth movement when you stated the following (emphasis mine): Though I realize that you are simultaneously mentioning embracing, making, and spreading lies like this hoaxed video, I simply wanted to clarify that attributing the creation of this particular video to the truth movement would be unwise without something significant to substantiate such an accusation. Hope that clarifies. Cheers. |
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Does the fact that the video is on his YouTube page directly indicate that he created the fakery? Though it is possible, this isn't in itself a convincing argument that he made it. Many people host videos on their YouTube channels that they did not make themselves. Of course not, but that isn't my point. Here is my point. The following video was not created by a member of the truth movement:
When this video initially came out it was almost immediately suspected of being fake and many people pointed the finger of blame at the truth movement. Though it was/is indeed fake, it wasn't made by anyone associated with 9/11 truth. Here is the guy who actually created it:
Considering that nobody has come forward to explain the faking of the Pentagon footage, it is unlikely that the faker is as well intentioned as Edward Current was, but this is still inadequate to attribute the fakery to the truth movement. It is possible and perhaps even likely, but not proven as far as I can tell. Does that clear up any questions about what I was intending to convey? |
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For as the NWO are higher than the people, so are their ways higher than your ways, and their thoughts than your thoughts. (A amalgam of Isaiah 55:9 & truther logic) |
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A belated thank you from me as well.
![]() The gentleman I was discussing this with has fled the conversation, but I will keep this handy in case someone passes me that video again. I'm already cringing at what I expect the response to be: "the gubmint must have edited out the missile!" |
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The question I raised was whether or not it has been established that a member of the truth movement created the video. Being that I was the one who raised the question, I would humbly suggest that this just might possibly be the actual point of my raised question... maybe... ?
Or do you feel that you should be the one to dictate to me what the point of my raised question was? I suggest contemplating that for a time before you unleash another knee-jerk response. Cheers. |
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See the thread title up there, friendo? The source is one of your truther buddies. And whether that scum ball actually made the piece of garbage, well, now that is quite beside the point. It is like asking who painted a forgery, when we know who is selling it.
Now, the next time y'all want to call me a jerk, try to be a wee bit more subtle about, huh sport? Prosit, baby. |
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I do indeed see the title. Pal.
Oh really? Tell me then, who exactly created the video? While you're at it can you tell me who "my truther buddies" are? Beside the point of my question? No, actually, that is precisely the point of my question. So again I ask, who created the video? Who is selling it is not in question. I didn't ask about who is selling it. Who is selling it is rather beside the point of my question. I didn't call you a jerk. I suggested contemplating the actual point before tossing out another knee-jerk response. Pity that you chose not to do that. Cheers. ![]() |
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Can you provide me with some kind of evidence that someone named Andy Rogers created the video?
And yes, I will thank you if you can provide that. I wasn't attempting to be subtle. No, I don't think that you do get it actually. |
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Mad? Too funny. I'm not mad, though it is quite disappointing to observe your failure in post after post to understand, acknowledge, and address my actual point.
If you claim Andy made the video, you must have something to back that claim up with, right? Perhaps he admitted to it somewhere in the comments? Maybe he divulged it to an undercover agent while he was being secretly filmed -- and you have the footage? Or did he write it in his diary and you snuck in with a spy camera to obtain microfilm of the page that has his shameful admission? Surely you have something substantial that corroborates and confirms your claim... right? You aren't just assuming he made it because it is on his YouTube channel, right? We've already been over that part, remember? To be clear, I'd be perfectly fine with the knowledge that he created it. I'm not defending whoever created it, whether it is Andy as you suggest or someone else. Nor am I defending whoever pushes this rubbish as genuine. If you take the time to read through the (rather short) thread, pause and consider my words, and attempt to understand the "why" behind my raised question you just might realize the purpose and intention (or should I say the point) I was bringing up. I encourage you to do so. As an aside... The extent to which some people on forums will go in an effort to avoid admitting their mistakes never ceases to amaze me. Is it a pride thing? Is it that much harder because I'm a newb here? Are you still under the apparent impression that I'm a member of the truth movement? Does the thought that I'm a "twoofer" make your general rudeness to me "okay" in your book? I'm seriously curious about that. Cheers. |
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If you can't figure out my point from what I've already said, I'm not sure what else to suggest except perhaps to read it again. It wasn't a big and important point, nor was it even slightly complex, but I believe that I've already made myself clear. If you have specific questions about what I've said, feel free to ask and I'll be more than happy to answer.
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I, too, am curious: Who created this video fakery? And what is the evidence supporting the answer?
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Maybe it was those mysterious and always elusive "agents" that CTers are always claiming are following them around, doing things to make them look bad
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As I explained, it doesn't matter, the question is who is publishing this obvious fake video compilation as factual, and the answer is a truther.
Lets break it down, there are at least four major falsehoods in the linked video: 1. the written description on You Tube 2. the fake missile at the Pentagon 3. the false description on the punch out hole in the inner ring 4. the fake painted "cruise missile." I've seen the false description of the punch out on a hundred truther sites, for an example. I've seen the fake painted cruise missile on no planer sites. But who put all four together? A truther. Asking who created any one aspect to call into question the whole is pure pedantry because we know how is the proponent of the entire fakery: a truther. |
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