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You're too hot - I might do ya. You're FIRED
Are you kidding me????
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And here I was thinking we were moving forward on equality. DOH! Glad I don't play the ponies. I suck at predicting. |
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"You can't work here - I might rape you".
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In the Peanut Gallery
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This just fills me with despair. She worked with this guy for 10 years!
I wonder if there is other legal action she can take? |
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Non credunt, semper verificare
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Nasty Woman
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What about this part:
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I think the ruling is BS myself. I fully expect this to be kicked up to the next level.
It has USSC written all over it. |
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Confusion Reactor
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...and hey, since you don't work here anymore, wanna go get some coffee?
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This is really a convenient ruling for me. When ladies ask me if I am employed I can respond "I used to have my own successful business, but I was forced to fire myself for excessive hotness! Now let's go over to this cozy little spot in the corner and talk about it....."
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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You don't need a reason to not employ someone anyway in an "at will" state. I don't see why this is an issue.
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Even in at-will states, you can be terminated unlawfully.
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Think of it as affirmative action for ugly people, who have been statistically shown to be oppressed in the workplace (and in life).
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I think the issue might be that she filed the wrong kind of complaint. They're saying it's not a Civil Rights issue in particular, because she wasn't fired strictly on the basis of her gender - which is true, because the boss ONLY employs women and they weren't all fired.
What could be argued better is that it's a case of sexual harassment, because her firing implies that she would have sex with him. She intentionally did not file that way, because she didn't think there was enough evidence. I think her firing and the reasons thereof are plenty. |
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"Knight is a very religious and moral individual, and he sincerely believed that firing Nelson would be best for all parties, he [Knight’s attorney, Stuart Cochrane] said."
Yes, fire a loyal employee of ten years and place her family into a position of financial hardship, all because you can't keep your sexual urges under control. That sure sounds like the moral thing to do! |
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I think we need to ratify the ERA ASAP.
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He's a pig, but that wasn't the question before the court. The question was whether there were any statutes that made it illegal, and being a pig is not illegal in general. Perhaps there should be some specific law covering cases such as this, but nothing presented in this thread tells me that there are, at least not any that were used as the basis for the complaint.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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Well it's established he's not a lawbreaker I guess.
I'll have to settle for calling him a pig. |
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A dentist acted legally when he fired an assistant that he found attractive simply because he and his wife viewed the woman as a threat to their marriage, the all-male Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.
I've hilited the problem. Wife was jealous, says the worker goes or she goes. He picked his wife. I really don't see the legal issue here. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Interesting. When someone complains of forming an unhealthy attraction towards someone else, what's the usual advice?
"Break off contact with that person." It'd be nice if everybody was able to exercise rational self-control in all areas of their lives. But reality isn't like that. We don't tell an alcoholic, "keep booze in the house; just don't drink any". We don't tell a philanderer, "spend time with the objects of your attraction, but don't hit on them". We don't tell the girl attracted to bad boys (or the fellow attracted to bad girls, or to bad boys, etc.) "hang out with all the bad boys you like, but don't hook up with any of them". No. We tell them, "if it's a problem for you, if it's a trigger for you, if it's an area of personal weakness for you, put some distance between you and it. If you see it coming cross over to the other side of the street. Walk the other way." In this case, what? "Life's too short. Save your marriage, save your business. Get on with your life. Like you need this to be a problem you have to deal with, on top of everything else." |
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Who hired the hotty in the first place?
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As cultural anthropologists have always said "human culture" = "human nature". You might as well put a fish on the moon to test how it "swims naturally" without the "influence of water". -Earthborn |
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It's a crap situation all around, and the jerk should have probably never hired her in the first place.
But what is he supposed to do? Quit his own business? Is there any other way for an employer to sever an unwanted employer-employee relationship, except by firing the employee? Everywhere I've been, the customary severance is two week's pay. He gave her double that, which is pretty generous. And if this were to happen in California, the fact that he's not firing her "for cause" means she's also entitled to unemployment insurance payments. What else do you want? That she stay in a relationship with a jerk boss whose healthiest course of action is to sever that relationship? What would your advice be, if it was your friend who was struggling with this? "Sure, she's triggering your weakness, the the place in your life where you lack self-control, where you're prone to bad judgement and life-damaging mistakes, but keep her around anyway. Pretend that this time it's going to be alright. Pretend your marriage isn't in jeopardy. Pretend you're not just one harassment lawsuit away from losing your entire business. Pretend you totally need to have this problem in your life right now." Or would your advice be, "get her out of your life, man. Give her a generous severance package--the most generous you can afford. Make sure she's eligible for unemployment insurance payments. But do it now. Get her out of your life as soon as possible. This is a problem you don't need." |
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Penultimate Amazing
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So, prestige, it's ok to fire this woman because the guy has a weakness.
Didn't I see somebody here talking about 'morally strong' a while ago? It's the guy's failing, and he should be utterly and totally responsible for his weakness, right? RIGHT? |
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Not be a complete ****?
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curi0us Many kids grow up in environments where if the worse thing they had to deal with was a pervy gym teacher wanting to **** them they would considere themselves to be privileged and living the good life. bigred homophobes are not nearly as widespread or common as the oh-woe-are-the-poor-oppressed-gays whiners would have you believe. |
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Agreed. And yet sometimes life doesn't work out that way.
Sometimes the best solution to a bad relationship is to break up. It doesn't seem to me like anyone is blaming the victim. Sometimes the best solution to a bad relationship is to break up, regardless of who's at fault, and regardless of whether one party wants to continue the relationship. Sometimes the party that wants to continue the relationship is the one who should be breaking it off. Sometimes marriages end in divorce. You wanna say "control himself, seek help" is the magic bullet that would save this relationship? |
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Nasty Woman
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My post seems to have been ignored. I shall repeat it:
What about this part:
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Employers can expect employees to dress appropriately. They were texting each other. It sounds like the relationship was indeed moving in a dangerous direction. Maybe there were other solutions, but this is not a case of an employer simply firing an employee because the employer lusted after her. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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No, she shouldn't. But she's probably going to anyway. Life isn't always fair or rational.
Sometimes the best way to end the suffering is to end the relationship. Breakups are almost never pretty, and people almost always get hurt who don't deserve it. Sometimes that's just the way it is.
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I am too hot to be employed, pay me millions!!! It's my right!
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