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Old 25th December 2012, 01:56 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by StankApe View Post
you apparently don't anything about the classifications of crime. the way criminals are profiled and the ways this information is used to help improve crime detection and prevention. I suspect people in your law enforcement do. and I suspect they would treat him as a mass killer when they interviewed him, qualified his crime and attempted to use this information to better educate law enforcement.

If a guy walks into a McDonalds with a belt full of guns and starts shooting like mad, missing often and is either subdued or killed before he kill anyone. It would not be considered a "homicide" but HE would be profiled and treated as a mass killer by law enforcement (psychologically). Just as people who get caught before the building burns down,are considered arsonists and those who mail bombs that don't go off are considered bombers. They may not have been successful in the completion of their crimes. But they "are" that criminal.
You've made this sort of assertion more than once. Where's the evidence that
someone who intends to kill a number of people is a mass murderer. Show it or withdraw this ridiculous assertion.


For those who don't know the background, there has not been a mass firearm massacre (as defined) since firearm bans in Australia 16 years ago. What gun "enthusiasts" try to counter with is a gunman who killed two people in Melbourne more recently. When the paucity of this argument is exposed, Stankape says its the "intent" that matters. Something which wouldn't pass muster in elementary school.
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Old 25th December 2012, 02:01 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Giving a child a firearm is disgusting.
So only adults should learn how to shoot firearms?

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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
So only adults should learn how to shoot firearms?

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Not a bad start.
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Old 25th December 2012, 02:02 AM   #44
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He's way to young to learn his penis is so small as to require a tool for killing to make him feel like a man.
That sounds sexist, or would you tell that to a girl who is learning how to shoot also?

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Old 25th December 2012, 02:16 AM   #45
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Some folks have no shame at all. None.

Disgusting.
What is this woman and those two kids doing with this poor whale ? they put a santa hat on it...







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Old 25th December 2012, 02:22 AM   #46
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Some folks have no shame at all. None.

Disgusting.

http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/...SantaGuns1.jpg
That pic is spun gold!!!!

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Old 25th December 2012, 04:14 AM   #47
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The picture is ignorant. Ignorant and stupid. If you like ignorance that flies in the face of recent events than good for you.
As much as I don't like guns, I'm going to have to call you on that: what's "ignorant" about this picture, and how can a picture be ignorant ?
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Old 25th December 2012, 05:41 AM   #48
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So only adults should learn how to shoot firearms?

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That's one of the first steps towards bring your rampant gun problem under control.
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Old 25th December 2012, 05:43 AM   #49
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They're holding santa hostage you fool!
If they're holding Santa hostage shouldn't he be holding up a copy of today's paper?
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Old 25th December 2012, 05:45 AM   #50
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Awww! They blow up so fast these days!

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Old 25th December 2012, 06:15 AM   #51
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I don't have the pic, but as a kid there were pics taken at a shoot with me in the prone position, shooting this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...lection/A6.jpg

I was 9 - 10 at the time iirc.

Amnesty registered 1919A6 MG from the Korean war.
Nice! Do you still own that?
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Old 25th December 2012, 06:18 AM   #52
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Another lie. Two deaths is not a massacre, by definition.

Look, I know how uncomfortable it must be for when faced with evidence that banning semi-automatics and handguns saves lives, but to pretend that this strategy has not been successful in Australia is simply ridiculous.
We don't give a **** how they do it in Australia. Nor do we give a **** how Australians feel about our guns.
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Old 25th December 2012, 06:22 AM   #53
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Giving a child a firearm is disgusting.
Ok, thanks for your opinion. We appreciate your feedback, and will take it into consideration. While you're wondering how disgusting it is, my son and I, and Cylinder's daughter and him, will be out shooting our guns.

Cheers!
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He's way to young to learn his penis is so small as to require a tool for killing to make him feel like a man.
Speaking of classy...
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Nice! Do you still own that?
Family heirloom, and when I'm gone it will stay in the family.
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Old 25th December 2012, 06:33 AM   #56
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That's one of the first steps towards bring your rampant gun problem under control.
I'll have to disagree. I feel (personally, having grown up with guns, and been shooting them since I was a kid) that if you teach a child to respect a gun, and to use it properly, chances are they will respect them for their lifetime.

My father taught me gun safety starting at about 7 years old with BB guns. AS I got older, it progressed into different weapons and so on.

Now, there's not many weapons I wouldn't know how to operate safely, with a few exceptions. And I'm teaching my son the same way. I've drilled into his head gun safety. I'd bet he's better about gun safety than some adults.

That's just my opinion though.
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Family heirloom, and when I'm gone it will stay in the family.
Awesome! Adopt me? Lol!!

(what's the cost per round?)
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Old 25th December 2012, 06:43 AM   #58
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Originally Posted by Profanz View Post
Oh I'm sanctimonious huh? I am the father of a child around the same age as the children killed by lax gun laws few weeks ago.

whatever

You can spew all your crap. But make no mistake about it. The changes are coming..

Sanctimonious or not.
Did i miss where a bunch of gun laws got all anthropomorphic like schoolhouse rock, and killed a bunch of folks, or are you being really over the top?

If there were no guns in existence the guy would have whipped up a few pipe bombs, not exactly rocket science. A person killed the children, not a rampaging pack of paper.

I know it is disturbing to think that we just can't regulate everything into and out of existence, but unfortunately that is the case.
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Old 25th December 2012, 06:45 AM   #59
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Heeeeeeeee Hwaaaaaaaaa!!!!

LETS BE SPITEFUL STUPID!!!!!!
I'm a knife collector, should i have suddenly felt shamefull about my hobby post 9/11?

People have hobbies involving weapons, normal, nice "hold the door open for old ladies" folk like myself. And these folk will never use said weapons for harm, get over it.
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That photo is ridiculous. Everyone knows Santa needs no guns. He kills with Force lightning, or sometimes uses his lightsaber. Darth Santa has no need for the crude technological horrors of guns.
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Old 25th December 2012, 06:54 AM   #61
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Not exactly classy no given recent events
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Did you not read the thread either? It wasn't taken recently. And I would understand if it was a school photo, or maybe with a school in the background, but it's not.
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This is the background picture on my phone. It's my son when he was 9.



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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Giving a child a firearm is disgusting.
I actually agree with you. Giving a firearm to a child without any supervision is definitely a no go. Letting a child hold a firearm for a picture though? Perfectly acceptable. I know this sounds absolutely deplorable to some of the individuals on this forum (Especially the foreigners who don't understand our culture), but us responsible gun owners feel that educating children about the proper use of guns at a young age is much more responsible then shielding them from them their whole lives and telling them "Guns are bad be very afraid!"
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
This is the background picture on my phone. It's my son when he was 9.

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/...9099517072.jpg

Noooooo! The horror! You have doomed him to grow up and become a mass killer. Obviously I am being sarcastic, but there are individuals on this very forum who actually believe that (Or something similar).
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Noooooo! The horror! You have doomed him to grow up and become a mass killer. Obviously I am being sarcastic, but there are individuals on this very forum who actually believe that (Or something similar).
I shoot competition air-pistols. I have a range in my backyard, many of my sons friends come here to shoot safely. I invite parents to join us and the local PD has always expressed support for my mini range. Anyone that shoots here knows there's no screwing around. Around here, drug use is far more of a problem then guns. These guys/girls know, if they're stoners, they are not welcome here. It really does keep these teenage kids out of trouble.
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I shoot competition air-pistols. I have a range in my backyard, many of my sons friends come here to shoot safely. I invite parents to join us and the local PD has always expressed support for my mini range. Anyone that shoots here knows there's no screwing around. Around here, drug use is far more of a problem then guns. These guys/girls know, if they're stoners, they are not welcome here. It really does keep these teenage kids out of trouble.
Not possible. Guns are made STRICTLY for killing. Didn't you hear?
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I hope everyone involved/witnessing said it never should have happened - if it the one I am pretty sure it was, a similar (but just adults involved) had ocurred some 3 weeks before or after this one - both IIRC involved unfamiliarity of how smgs on full auto will rise.
My recollection is that the people involved professed complete ignorance of the possibility that such a thing could happen.

The guy who was running the exhibit, a cop, was thereby acquitted of manslaughter.

The father of the child, a doctor, collected a settlement from the company that manufactured the gun.

I suppose the company neglected to put the appropriate label (WARNING: DO NOT HAND A MACHINE GUN TO AN 8-YEAR-OLD) on the product.

Typical gun nuts... experts on the safety and handling of firearms, until something bad happens.
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Justified? Where? I don't think so. And again, less anyone forget... I am not anti-gun.

I am anti nutters getting guns and I'm anti individuals stocking up for the end of the world or the zombie apocalypse.
I assure you I do not believe in the end of the world - I will be long gone before it actually happens - as will humanity unless we can find habitation elsewhere than Terra - as any near immediate threat. And I do not believe in zombies - though if such existed I know the easiest/most effective way to destroy them is shotguns with shells loaded with dried beef and rock salt. Either sends them back to their graves.
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Meanwhile over ten thousand people each year (last I checked) die in the US due to alcohol-related accidents. Alcohol, a substance which is used for recreational purposes by the average person (the small amounts in medicine excepted), is a major factor in many deaths, and I'd bet the deaths of far more children than firearms are. I don't know the figures for the UK and Australia, but somehow I doubt it is an unsignificant number.

So where is the outrage for why this killer is still plentifully available? Where are the calls to ban it for recreational use? If we save the lives of even ten children from drivers who would have been otherwise drunk, wouldn't it have been worth it? I guess this isn't an easy target to villify any more, considering how many other people enjoy it, including someone other than those ignorant savage Americans.

I really, really hope that in your grief, that piling all this abuse and vitriol on people different from you makes you feel better. Because otherwise this behavior from what are otherwise reasonable, rational would drive me to despair. Happy holidays.

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Meanwhile over ten thousand people each year (last I checked) die in the US due to alcohol-related accidents. Alcohol, a substance which is used for recreational purposes by the average person (the small amounts in medicine excepted), is a major factor in many deaths, and I'd bet the deaths of far more children than firearms are. I don't know the figures for the UK and Australia, but somehow I doubt it is an unsignificant number.

So where is the outrage for why this killer is still plentifully available? Where are the calls to ban it for recreational use? If we save the lives of even ten children from drivers who would have been otherwise drunk, wouldn't it have been worth it? I guess this isn't an easy target to villify any more, considering how many other people enjoy it, including someone other than those ignorant savage Americans.

I really, really hope that in your grief, that piling all this abuse and vitriol on people different from you makes you feel better. Because otherwise this behavior from what are otherwise reasonable, rational would drive me to despair. Happy holidays.

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Your numbers are off. People dying of alcohol related deaths each year almost reaches 50,000
http://recoveryfirst.org/alcohol-rel...n-the-us.html/
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According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there are more than 23,000 deaths related to alcohol each year that are not traffic fatalities or homicides, and 14,406 of those are caused by alcoholic liver disease.(2) Adding these totals to just the total number of drunk driving fatalities alone and we can see that nearly 47,000 deaths occur as a result of these alcohol related causes alone.
That number does not account for homicides that were alcohol induced or fetal alcohol syndrome.
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We don't give a **** how they do it in Australia. Nor do we give a **** how Australians feel about our guns.
America, **** yeah!
We rool the world
coz we got guns.
**** yeah!
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That photo is ridiculous. Everyone knows Santa needs no guns. He kills with Force lightning, or sometimes uses his lightsaber. Darth Santa has no need for the crude technological horrors of guns.
Santa doesn't need technology to take down his enemies - he use his Claws.
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Typical gun nuts... experts on the safety and handling of firearms, until something bad happens.
Typical gun haters. Always painting with broad brushes, and getting their bull **** everywhere it doesn't belong.
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America, **** yeah!
We rool the world
coz we got guns.
**** yeah!
Damn skippy! I'll go shooting, then drinkin' to that! Cheers!!

Oh, and just as a side not, I took my son shooting today, along with about a dozen other people. Had a blast, shot a bunch of cool guns, and even decimated a pumpkin! Bastard never saw it comin'!!

Oh, and nobody died, and nobody got hurt, and no crimes were committed.
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We don't give a **** how they do it in Australia. Nor do we give a **** how Australians feel about our guns.
who is we? many here seem to actually care how others have solved their problem.
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Damn skippy! I'll go shooting, then drinkin' to that! Cheers!!

Oh, and just as a side not, I took my son shooting today, along with about a dozen other people. Had a blast, shot a bunch of cool guns, and even decimated a pumpkin! Bastard never saw it comin'!!

Oh, and nobody died, and nobody got hurt, and no crimes were committed.
i start to understand where the problem is with the US and their gun nutters. sick, just sick.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Not a bad start.
Actually, the idea sucks. They should learn early on to take the weapon seriously. As long as the adult who hands that child a weapon knows what he is doing and teaches the child the safety and legal aspectsof ir, by all means, start educating the child. I will probably be taking my eldest grandson to the range when the weather turns nice in May. I taught my son to shoot at a much later age and he never really got much into rifles. Might have had somethng to do with starting out on a 91/30.
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Old 26th December 2012, 12:43 AM   #79
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
I'll say it yet again, we banned the hammer in Australia and nobody has been nailed for 16 years.



And before somebody says "people have been murdered in Auatralia", I'm talking about mass murders by firearms.
Are people less dead if they are murdered at longer intervals rather than in batches?

How much has the murder rate improved in Australia?
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That photo is ridiculous. Everyone knows Santa needs no guns. He kills with Force lightning, or sometimes uses his lightsaber. Darth Santa has no need for the crude technological horrors of guns.

I bet it's his laugh. With every chuckle, old-man breath spews out like yesterday's Indian food...but also magic.
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