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Old 22nd July 2004, 02:19 PM   #121
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oops... my bad... Sorry, Benguin.

Anyway... it is kind of a "mass knowing" kind of question for Kumar... since there is lots of confusion over gravity (force? acceleration? mass? does F=ma or F=d(mv)/dt ?... what did Newton really mean in his 2nd law of motion?, what is the relation to mass, mole and Avogadro's number?).

To restate in a less confusing manner (I checked this http://www.physchem.co.za/Motion/Gravity.htm ) and found I did somewhat mistate it:

Kumar: what do 99% of the people think is the acceleration due to gravity?
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Old 22nd July 2004, 02:36 PM   #122
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oops... my bad... Sorry, Benguin.

Anyway... it is kind of a "mass knowing" kind of question for Kumar... since there is lots of confusion over gravity (force? acceleration? mass? does F=ma or F=d(mv)/dt ?... what did Newton really mean in his 2nd law of motion?, what is the relation to mass, mole and Avogadro's number?).

To restate in a less confusing manner (I checked this http://www.physchem.co.za/Motion/Gravity.htm ) and found I did somewhat mistate it:

Kumar: what do 99% of the people think is the acceleration due to gravity?
I think you might be really challenging Kummy with this, I mean his english isn't great and his understanding of logic is even more challenged.

We didn't even adequately resolve the question of what is '1+1' of a million people say it is three question.

Which reminds me of a naff joke about mathemticians, statisticians, scientists and engineers. I'll spare you it unless you insist. It's incredibly naff, and I'm sure you've heard it.
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..Which reminds me of a naff joke about mathemticians, statisticians, scientists and engineers. I'll spare you it unless you insist. It's incredibly naff, and I'm sure you've heard it.
Yes, I think I know what you mean... it seems to be the difference between "mass knowing" and actual use. Also his English seems to come and go, possibly depending on where he is in Kumar World.

...and I think I know the joke... it may be similar to the tire swing joke (as ordered, as envisioned, and as delivered).

(oh, great that reminds... I'm being asked when I am going back to work --- now I have to figure out how to remember everything and I will be taking some statistics course soon. Something I had to use at work, but only understood slightly as my brilliant ex-boss led me down the random vibration road, perhaps it is time I actually learned about it).
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The tire swing one is much better .. it comes with an easy to digest pictorial cartoon.

I've only just been dragged back to the office after a long medical absence. No-one seems to have noticed I've forgotten how to do my job, but then none of them knew what I did in the first place.

Keep sending the cheques (or checks).
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Gentlemen, you might care to keep in mind that Kumar is most likely a troll, as he has a much better understanding of English than he lets on...
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I also respect this mentioning:-

"Therapies which have such undefined boundaries, that they may at any time accept new remedies, and may like wise retain or reject old remedies, cannot offer the security necessary in service of a patient, and in the interest of science. To create a therapy with sharply defined boundaries, has been for a long time, my endeavour"

...By Dr.William.H.Schuessler,1874
If you respect Schuessler's point of view on this, Kumar, then you are a bigger fool than I thought you were. If you believe this is a "good thing" then you will reject any and all medicine developed since the late 19th century. Such things as antibiotics, antiseptics, all the modern surgical procedures, everything that has made modern medicine the undoubted success it is. Schuessler says very clearly that "Therapies which...may at any time accept new remedies...cannot offer the security necessary in service of a patient". In other words, Kumar, Schuessler did not accept that there would be any new medical discoveries to be made that he would accept. He was clearly a fool. And you are a bigger one of you think he wasn't.
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He still hasn't identified the quote I gave him (who else knows?)

And avoided saying what he thinks of it;
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Zep, may be possible. I am bit uncomfortable with even twelve & wish if these could be just three representing stomach acid, bile & intestinal alkalinity by bicarbonate, Three body's basic constitutions as in "Ayurveda" Vatta, Pitta & kapha or carbo-nitrogenoid, Oxygenoid & Hydrogenoid, which probably may take care every of most of the required & possible conditions.

Btw, why pH is said as ' environment' & what does it mean & its implications?
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Gentlemen, you might care to keep in mind that Kumar is most likely a troll, as he has a much better understanding of English than he lets on...
Who enjoys making word pie. Interestingly he also has very simiar thread going at scififorums. I wouldn't be suprised if he to some extent is playing off the boards against each other.

I noticed a while back that his apparent bad english didn't stop him understanding what was written, lapsing into complex sentences, and having the ability to nit pick through the finer points of medical/woo woo websites.

Of course that he hasn't actually made any points doesn't seem to bother him, i think he just enjoys seeing us run round in circles, also thus why he doesn't answer any questions put to him.
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Zep, may be possible. I am bit uncomfortable with even twelve & wish if these could be just three representing stomach acid, bile & intestinal alkalinity by bicarbonate, Three body's basic constitutions as in "Ayurveda" Vatta, Pitta & kapha or carbo-nitrogenoid, Oxygenoid & Hydrogenoid, which probably may take care every of most of the required & possible conditions.

Btw, why pH is said as ' environment' & what does it mean & its implications?
Hmm, got a load of webpages ready for the reply Kumar? Mind you i don't think you'll get any answers beacuse first you have a question to answer....


How do you differentiate between fantasy and reality?
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How do you differentiate between fantasy and reality?
By reality & fantasy. By idiocy & inteligency. By this & that. By you & me. So many alike things, but I just want to save jref's capacity.

Zep,

Environment: The sum of the total of the elements, factors and conditions in the surroundings which may have an impact on the development, action or survival of an organism or group of organisms.

The environment is as opposed to genetics. We are the product of our genetic inheritance and our environment.


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Who enjoys making word pie. Interestingly he also has very simiar thread going at scififorums. I wouldn't be suprised if he to some extent is playing off the boards against each other.

I noticed a while back that his apparent bad english didn't stop him understanding what was written, lapsing into complex sentences, and having the ability to nit pick through the finer points of medical/woo woo websites.

Of course that he hasn't actually made any points doesn't seem to bother him, i think he just enjoys seeing us run round in circles, also thus why he doesn't answer any questions put to him.
Made to contradict & critisize, but for nothing else-- truely, materialisticly & differantly. WHY WE ARE/SHOULD BE HERE?????????
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By reality & fantasy. By idiocy & inteligency. By this & that. By you & me. So many alike things, but I just want to save jref's capacity.

sigh, you really are having trouble with this one Kumar, try again. I think it is apparent that you don't really have a mechanism whereby you can evaluate different claims and distinguish between what is real and what is fantasy. Its just what fits in with your world view, and everything else is false. Well you are entitled to think like that, but we are also entitled to dismiss what you say as ill thought out, illogical and trolling.
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Maybe he is a solipsist in the true sense, and this question is therefore of little relevance to him?
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..., Three body's basic constitutions as in "Ayurveda" ....
Ah, something I can understand... Ayurveda, a cause of lead poisoning in some folks who use Ayurveda medication:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5326a3.htm

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Ah, something I can understand... Ayurveda, a cause of lead poisoning in some folks who use Ayurveda medication:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5326a3.htm

Yikes!
" Although approximately 95% of lead poisoning among U.S. adults results from occupational exposure "

Any wrongly prescribed or wrongly prepared healing physical substance can do that.
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Ah HA!!!

Proof he does read some of the references given... and since he only answers questions with incomprehensible babblings.... and then asks the same questions over and over again with no regard to how the real world works or with any regard to the answers already given, this is definite proof:



Though I would remove the word "perhaps"
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Though I would remove the word "perhaps"
Kumar first joined this forum on 18th October last year. The first suggestion that he might be trolling was made by BillyJoe on 23rd October, and the first use of the above smilie with reference to Kumar was very shortly afterwards in the same thread (by yours truly).

Important question about diabetes.

Actually, looking back at the first few threads Kumar started in October is quite instructive, and I see the idea that all homoeopathic remedies might really be the all-powerful Tissue Remedy silicea by an accident of preparation implicit in about his fifth post.

I was later persuaded (partly by MRC_Hans) that Kumar was not a troll but was a very naive poster who genuinely wanted to learn. I spent quite some time trying to help him, as did a number of other people. I now think that perhaps the initial impressions were correct. From the start Kumar has never been open about what he thinks or believes, or what his purpose is in asking a particular question. As BillyJoe said, some people might call that trolling.

Quite.

Just - what on earth is there in it for anyone to behave so obtusely in post after post, never getting anywhere, just trying to be as annoying as possible?

Dunno.

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My reason for defending Kumar from troll accusations was experience from homeopathy forums. I still believe that Kumar is not a deliberate troll. ..... But since the end-effect is the same, it doesn't matter.

So my new position on Kumar, based on much experience is: Don't bother. He/she/it is a complete waste of time.

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My reason for defending Kumar from troll accusations was experience from homeopathy forums. I still believe that Kumar is not a deliberate troll. ..... But since the end-effect is the same, it doesn't matter.

So my new position on Kumar, based on much experience is: Don't bother. He/she/it is a complete waste of time.

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As it is page 1 of Hanneman's Oragnon he is either being incredibly obtuse or is, in fact, not at all informed in his own claimed area of expertise.

I find it amusing that his own attempts to cast around bizarre speculations for how Homeopathy works is a practice Hanneman himself is so clearly unimpressed with.
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Yes, he has determinedly refused to address this quote I offered him;



As it is page 1 of Hanneman's Oragnon he is either being incredibly obtuse or is, in fact, not at all informed in his own claimed area of expertise.

I find it amusing that his own attempts to cast around bizarre speculations for how Homeopathy works is a practice Hanneman himself is so clearly unimpressed with.
Anyone can be wrong in some senses unless he is 'HE'. A human who contradicted this concept can't/should not advice similarily. However it is much seen in current systems--just follow. Why people just suggest/accept compounder's work. Healing is not a easy job to understand & follow completely & with full justification. Dr.Hahn. may mean that it may just a work of research people not of physians. Then why so many litretures to read???
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Who is "HE", Kumar? What is your usual name for "HIM"?

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As addressed at the beginning of this post here, am I right?
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I'm not being critical here, just trying to get to the facts.

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As addressed at the beginning of this post here, am I right?I'm not being critical here, just trying to get to the facts.

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Anyone can be wrong in some senses unless he is 'HE'. A human who contradicted this concept can't/should not advice similarily. However it is much seen in current systems--just follow. Why people just suggest/accept compounder's work. Healing is not a easy job to understand & follow completely & with full justification. Dr.Hahn. may mean that it may just a work of research people not of physians. Then why so many litretures to read???
Whatever

How come for all your claimed expertise you did not recognise this kumartroll?
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Oops! I hit "Reply" in the wrong thread! Move on folks. Nothing to see here.
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