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Old 10th April 2013, 11:26 AM   #1
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Alien insects bred with hominids? Heard of this?

In one of my classes, as a rebuttal to my endorsement of science as a potential route to social cohesion, the response was offered:

"Unfortunately, even science is clouded with muddy examples of junk science that professes things like the popular contemporary concept that alien insect creatures bred with ancient hominids to create human beings. "

I've never heard of this flavour of woo before. Has anyone else?
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Old 10th April 2013, 11:35 AM   #2
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So a rebuttal of science was an example of something not scientific?

As for your question: I've never heard of it and I guess it's not that much of a "popular contemporary concept" Sounds more like something that someone's just made up and is even more of a reason why science can and should be used as a potential route to social cohesion.
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Originally Posted by Piscivore View Post
In one of my classes, as a rebuttal to my endorsement of science as a potential route to social cohesion, the response was offered:

"Unfortunately, even science is clouded with muddy examples of junk science that professes things like the popular contemporary concept that alien insect creatures bred with ancient hominids to create human beings. "

I've never heard of this flavour of woo before. Has anyone else?

For an honest take on this I would ask David Icke - I am sure he would disagree... Not insects, don't you know!
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Yes, I've heard of it. It was the plot of a 60's sci-fi movie most everyone is familiar with.

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Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
So a rebuttal of science was an example of something not scientific?

As for your question: I've never heard of it and I guess it's not that much of a "popular contemporary concept" Sounds more like something that someone's just made up and is even more of a reason why science can and should be used as a potential route to social cohesion.
I would guess by "popular contemporary concept" they mean "popular scifi trope."
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I would guess by "popular contemporary concept" they mean "popular scifi trope."
I would guess they are in your class because someone forgot to lock the doors to the ward when they went home one night.

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Honestly, I would seriously consider asking for a refund and looking for a different school.
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Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
Honestly, I would seriously consider asking for a refund and looking for a different school.
That was another student, not the professor. Although, I'm not impressed so far with the quality of the education I'm getting, and this is a state university.
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Ahhh. That sounds better. Not great, but better. If it was a Professor I would not only have asked for my money back, I would have lodged a complaint as well.

Can you video it when you tell the other student his beliefs are based on a horror film? I would love to see that.

ETA: What was the general reaction? I'm curious as to that.

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Originally Posted by Maestro View Post
Ahhh. That sounds better. Not great, but better. If it was a Professor I would not only have asked for my money back, I would have lodged a complaint as well.

Can you video it when you tell the other student his beliefs are based on a horror film? I would love to see that.

ETA: What was the general reaction? I'm curious as to that.
It is an online course, and so far, I'm the only one who has responded:

Originally Posted by me
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I liked your post [Piscivore]. The part about "intellectual integrity...and evidence is evidence..." reads good. Unfortunately, even science is clouded with muddy examples of junk science that professes things like the popular contemporary concept that alien insect creatures bred with ancient hominids to create human beings. Somewhat along that line, there is a large percentage of our society who are creationists, and of similar persuasions who insist the earth is only 6,000 years old, and who believe innumerable other fanciful myths. Many of these entities attempt to validate their beliefs with junk science. Unfortunately the ideologies these people embrace are judgmental and divisive. But...from a different standpoint,there's nothing like a good ole fashion holy war to bring folks together.
The difference is, of all the ways we have of coming up with the stories we do to explain ourselves and the world around us, science is the only one that has a method of self-correcting its errors and the only one that does not pretend to be the final, ultimate truth. For instance, the notion of insect creatures breeding with humans (which I'm afraid I'm not familiar with) requires evidence to be considered science; otherwise, it's just another belief. . . "junk", as you said.
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So he's dismissing valid science by referencing junk science. Interesting. I'll still trust in science despite that.
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Pisci... would you try to find out, if he didn't actually misspeak, where he heard of this or if it's a popular idea at some site? I think I'd be a bit disappointed if there were a "popular contemporary concept" that out there, that was unheard of here.

Plus... stundies!

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When I hear the , 'science is unreliable' argument, I bring up the 'science is successful' rebuttal. It goes along with the 'science is self-correcting' correction to the misunderstanding of science problem.
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"even science is clouded with muddy examples of junk science"

Another word for "junk science" is pseudoscience. The existence of pseudoscience or junk science does not discredit real science any more than a terrible artist discredits Michelangelo or a terrible composer discredits Mozart or a terrible tennis player discredits the sport of tennis. There are cranks out there who fancy themselves scientists, but they hardly reflect on Einstein.
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Yes, I've heard of it. It was the plot of a 60's sci-fi movie most everyone is familiar with.

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Really good movie, even if it very obviously swipes from HP Lovecraft a LOT.
And got swiped a lot by Doctor Who
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Junk Science is not Science like a female impersonator is not a female.

It make act and sound like it but the parts that count are totally different.
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It doesn't sound too far off from the plot of Prometheus either. Hollywood science at its finest.
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Pisci... would you try to find out, if he didn't actually misspeak, where he heard of this or if it's a popular idea at some site? I think I'd be a bit disappointed if there were a "popular contemporary concept" that out there, that was unheard of here.

Plus... stundies!


Maybe something he heard as a kid, from one of his elders. An aunt, most likely.
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Yes, I've heard of it. It was the plot of a 60's sci-fi movie most everyone is familiar with.

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Yes, I've heard of it. It was the plot of a 60's sci-fi movie most everyone is familiar with.

It was also the origin story of the Wraith on "Stargate: Atlantis."
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It was also the origin story of the Wraith on "Stargate: Atlantis."
Well... not the "breeding" part.

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Well... not the "breeding" part.


Yeah, I was never quite clear on the whole thing.
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Humans are known to screw anything even a good thread. So why would alien(insects) be an exception?

According to Carl Sagan aliens do not have a good record of contacting humans and humans are just as bad producing evidence of their encounters with aliens. Premature hallucinations is often cited by Carl Sagan as the primary cause for such failed attempts at intimacy with aliens.

But those who persist in believing alien insects bred with humans and are looking for some Darwinian inspiration to chart the evolutionary tree to accommodate such considerations might find this link helpful.

The unsettling animation showing humans crossed with birds, frogs, dogs and spiders

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...s-spiders.html
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Sounds like this other student watches too much History channel.

But, I do see his point. Science is "clouded" by junk science among those who can't tell the two apart. Unfortunately that is a not-small percentage of the population.

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Sounds like this other student watches too much History channel.

But, I do see his point. Science is "clouded" by junk science among those who can't tell the two apart. Unfortunately that is a not-small percentage of the population.
But those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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The movie was also called Five Million Years to Earth.
That's actually how I knew it, but it seems most of the rest of the world know it by the other name. Go figure.
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The movie was also called Five Million Years to Earth.
That's actually how I knew it, but it seems most of the rest of the world know it by the other name. Go figure.

I need to try to catch this again. I remember it scared me quite a bit when I saw it on TV as a child.
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Well, there is this:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/sc...-1226617200225
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DON'T be alarmed, but you have alien DNA in your genetic code. Science says so.

Scientists from Kazakhstan believe that human DNA was encoded with an extraterrestrial signal by an ancient alien civilisation, Discovery.com reports.

They call it "biological SETI" and the researchers claim that the mathematical code in human DNA cannot be explained by evolution.

In a nutshell, we're living, breathing vessels for some kind of alien message which is more easily used to detect extra terrestrial life than via radio transmission.

"Once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known," the researchers wrote in scientific journal, Icarus. "Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature.
From this thread in the Science forum: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=256518
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Human interbreeding or genetic manipulation is a standard part of the stuff about "grays". Maybe this came from somebody who saw a picture of them and thought they looked insectical.
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In one of my classes, as a rebuttal to my endorsement of science as a potential route to social cohesion, the response was offered:

"Unfortunately, even science is clouded with muddy examples of junk science that professes things like the popular contemporary concept that alien insect creatures bred with ancient hominids to create human beings. "

I've never heard of this flavour of woo before. Has anyone else?
Bred? Is this supposed to mean as in sexual intercourse?

On a more basic level it is conceivable that DNA can be shared between different species via viruses or more direct methods, and this is done in labs all the time. The result can be called a chimera, but not likely a hominid with the head of a fly, as in that old movie.
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Yes, and note that these pretend scientists at least were honest use the word "might", meaning that everything they said is a guess; probably designed to interest gullible people.
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Are they saying that Ripley did infact bring back the Alien from LV-426?
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The Raelian cult/NRM claims that insect like aliens called the Elohim mated with humans a long time ago and will return to form an embassy on earth.

The Raelians are of interest to me because a significant number of their female members are involved in the sex industry and even have a website especially for their sex worker members and their friends - called "Rael's Girls" IMMIC.

They also run a highly dubious charity called Clitoraid that claims to build hospitals to restore the genitals of women who have suffered FGM, although these claims have been widely debunked and criticised and credible as their claims to have created human clones.

According to former members the head of the religion, Rael, presides over a large group of attractive young (some very young) female followers who have made a commitment to be exclusively sexually available to Rael and who are at his disposal at all times. Apparently this is to prepare them for the important task of welcoming the Elohim upon their return to earth.

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Bred? Is this supposed to mean as in sexual intercourse?
Aha! So that's what bedbugs have been up to all these years!
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The movie was also called Five Million Years to Earth.
That's actually how I knew it, but it seems most of the rest of the world know it by the other name. Go figure.
I need to try to catch this again. I remember it scared me quite a bit when I saw it on TV as a child.

Me too; just spotted it's showing today @ 4:45 PM (Eastern time) on TCM.
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