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Are the Markets all Manipulated or not?

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I've been going to start this thread for a while now, but this article seems like a perfect intro. my premise is that the largest 10 Forex banks control 70% of the $4 trillion per day FX markets and via that, can push pretty much everything about.

but apparently they aren't happy with just that and wanted to branch out into derivatives (squared) and other growth opportunities.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ed-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425

Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever - The Illuminati were amateurs. The second huge financial scandal of the year reveals the real international conspiracy: There's no price the big banks can't fix
By MATT TAIBBI - APRIL 25, 2013

Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology.

You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.

All of these stories collectively pointed to the same thing: These banks, which already possess enormous power just by virtue of their financial holdings – in the United States, the top six banks, many of them the same names you see on the Libor and ISDAfix panels, own assets equivalent to 60 percent of the nation's GDP – are beginning to realize the awesome possibilities for increased profit and political might that would come with colluding instead of competing.

Moreover, it's increasingly clear that both the criminal justice system and the civil courts may be impotent to stop them, even when they do get caught working together to game the system.

If true, that would leave us living in an era of undisguised, real-world conspiracy, in which the prices of currencies, commodities like gold and silver, even interest rates and the value of money itself, can be and may already have been dictated from above. And those who are doing it can get away with it. Forget the Illuminati – this is the real thing, and it's no secret. You can stare right at it, anytime you want.

yup.
 
So is anyone going to discuss the article in the OP or are we content to just post fallacies?
 
The market is definitely rigged, and anyone who actively trades, as I do, knows it. It is common knowledge. It is also common knowledge the government is complicit and impotent at the same time.

I resigned myself years ago that this was here to stay, and that the crooks are operating openly without fear of prosecution. The whistleblowers have been holding the hands of the regulators for years. Look here, see that. Look over here, here is what is going on. And yet the feds do absolutely nothing despite these gift-wrapped evidence bombs.

So I decided a couple/few years ago to just ride piggyback on their schemes. It has been quite profitable for me, so I am sure it has been an astronomical boon for the bigger fish.

Although I can't stand Matt Taibbi personally (whenever I see him, he strikes me as a high functioning Asperger's boy), he is quite often dead on target. I have not read this article yet, but look forward to perusing it this weekend.
 
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The market is definitely rigged, and anyone who actively trades, as I do, knows it. It is common knowledge. It is also common knowledge the government is complicit and impotent at the same time.

I resigned myself years ago that this was here to stay, and that the crooks are operating openly without fear of prosecution. The whistleblowers have been holding the hands of the regulators for years. Look here, see that. Look over here, here is what is going on. And yet the feds do absolutely nothing despite these gift-wrapped evidence bombs.

So I decided a couple/few years ago to just ride piggyback on their schemes. It has been quite profitable for me, so I am sure it has been an astronomical boon for the bigger fish.

Although I can't stand Matt Taibbi personally (whenever I see him, he strikes me as a high functioning Asperger's boy), he is quite often dead on target. I have not read this article yet, but look forward to perusing it this weekend.

CT is thataway =======>
 
I've been going to start this thread for a while now, but this article seems like a perfect intro. my premise is that the largest 10 Forex banks control 70% of the $4 trillion per day FX markets and via that, can push pretty much everything about.

but apparently they aren't happy with just that and wanted to branch out into derivatives (squared) and other growth opportunities.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ed-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425



yup.
essentially, yes. not entirely by illegal/unethical maneuvers either
 
So is anyone going to discuss the article in the OP or are we content to just post fallacies?

no the usual suspects will do the same as they always do here.

luckily here's someone with more clue, gained by you know, being involved, not being armchair "expert investors" :rolleyes:

G6000 said:
The market is definitely rigged, and anyone who actively trades, as I do, knows it. It is common knowledge. It is also common knowledge the government is complicit and impotent at the same time. I resigned myself years ago that this was here to stay, and that the crooks are operating openly without fear of prosecution. The whistleblowers have been holding the hands of the regulators for years. Look here, see that. Look over here, here is what is going on. And yet the feds do absolutely nothing despite these gift-wrapped evidence bombs.

So I decided a couple/few years ago to just ride piggyback on their schemes. It has been quite profitable for me, so I am sure it has been an astronomical boon for the bigger fish.

Although I can't stand Matt Taibbi personally (whenever I see him, he strikes me as a high functioning Asperger's boy), he is quite often dead on target. I have not read this article yet, but look forward to perusing it this weekend.
 
Whenever I make money, the markets work like they should. Whenever I lose money, the markets are manipulated.

actually, when the manipulation happens text book style, I make money.

when its less "standard" or doesn't happen where or when I'm expecting it, the move usually goes without me.

I make more when they're being blatant with it, put it that way.

essentially, yes. not entirely by illegal/unethical maneuvers either

well, not entirely, no, theres obviously real business order flow in there too
 
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I'm tempted to reply, somewhat sarcastically, that "yes, the markets are all manipulated, by so many people that it looks purely stoichastic as a result".

But if it looks stoichastic ...
 
It's not "manipulation" per se but when large banks become "to big to fail" moral hazard ensues. This allows more speculation on the higher risk/higher returns bleeding edge. It is a kind of manipulation otherwise known as privatize profits, socialize losses.
 
It's not "manipulation" per se but when large banks become "to big to fail" moral hazard ensues. This allows more speculation on the higher risk/higher returns bleeding edge. It is a kind of manipulation otherwise known as privatize profits, socialize losses.

there is also daily manipulation in all currency markets that people outside of currency trading would never have any idea about. the same group of big banks who have and are proving they will manipulate anything they can, for money, drive 70% of the world's currency trading volume between them.

they are the "smart money" through which ALL (non black market) world trade passes. no opportunity for manipulation or skimming there is there? and especially not when the only people who might ever see it are in the business (traders) who are therefore scumbag speculators and hence deserve to lose their money anyway. please dont get me wrong, Im not complaining about losing money, as I have posted before in other threads, it is the successful (pre) identification OF this manipulation that has allowed me to crack this.

+74.8% on a 100k base, in 10 weeks, across more than 100 trades. lucky? the stats say no, really, don't they?

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now I am STATING that this is done, because I can see how the daily manipulation patterns work now. In the S&P especially, the topping patterns are ridiculously obvious. It is from trading manipulation patterns that we are expecting from the day before.

It is NOTHING to do with technical analysis, fundamentals or anything else. It is just marketmaking computers robbing most traders, all day long.

as always, any evidence to the contrary welcomed. however I would expect you to back it up, as I have, with trading results
 
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now I am STATING that this is done, because I can see how the daily manipulation patterns work now. In the S&P especially, the topping patterns are ridiculously obvious. It is from trading manipulation patterns that we are expecting from the day before.


So bet on them with what you know and get rich. Should be pretty simple if you can see through everything.
 
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So bet on them with what you know and get rich. Should be pretty simple if you can see through everything.

that's the plan, this thread is to talk about manipulation generally everywhere, not what I'm doing about it specifically.

I just thought I'd state my case clearly for why I believe what I do at the outset, ie my opinion is backed up by performance testing.

(and of course I am not the only one trading this technique, there are more than a thousand in one group I'm a part of)
 
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So really, it's a bit like gangland. it's real, and it goes on, but its generally only a direct threat to anybody else involved, in gangland. as an upright citizen, you are only really in danger from crossfire, or any kind of major fallout from battles in your area.

here are possibly the undisputed masters of investor/trader/sentiment manipulation showing once again how to put it altogether to make the perfect trade.

its very simple, and its worked for as long as markets (or America in fact) has been about. the ol' "Say one thing, but do another.."

GS: Attention All Muppets! short Treasuries now. Please use our trading desk marketmaker facility to do so, we will (kindly) buy all your bs treasuries off you at good rates.

Muppets: Dohkay

Muppet Slaying Continues: TYM3 Edition

Another day, another muppet-slaying by the true master. Recall Goldman Sachs from April 10:

We recommend going short 10-year US Treasuries via June futures (TYM3) at the current level of 132-20 for an initial price target of 130-00 and stops on a close above 134-00. In yields space, the corresponding move is from the current 1.76% to around 2.10%, and stops on a close around 1.60% - corresponding to the lows from last November.

Fast forward to today where just out from Bloomberg we read...

TY Poised for Highest Close Since Dec. 11..

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/04/kermit dead_0.jpg


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who really thinks that trade recommendation was genuine and for your muppetary well-being? :D THAT is funny.
 
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The Libor fiasco alone is evidence of manipulation on a major scale.

Has everyone seen "Inside Job?" I highly recommend it. It doesn't feature Alex Jones types, or a bunch of left wing finger pointers. Many of the major players are interviewed; CEOs, government officials, etc. IIRC the person/people who invented credit default swaps are interviewed, and even they admit they're crap. Overwhelming evidence of the system being gamed and enabled by the government, IMO.

You can watch it for free here: http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/inside_job_2010/
Review in the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/feb/17/inside-job-review


Also this, from WaPo:

One-hundred-thirty members of Congress or their families have traded stocks collectively worth hundreds of millions of dollars in companies lobbying on bills that came before their committees, a practice that is permitted under current ethics rules, a Washington Post analysis has found.
 
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Messages and email exchanges between Barclays energy traders released earlier this month reflect their efforts to manipulate and cheat their way to profits. What’s more disturbing is the glee the Barclay’s traders took in manipulating the energy markets with a total disregard for the costs to consumers.
The Barclays traders’ own words are damning:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/

“I totally ****** with the Palo mrkt today. . . . Was fun. Need to do that more often.”
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikake...un-wall-street-has-with-manipulating-markets/
 
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