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Hi, I'm new here, and I'm looking for good mannered :) skeptics. I would love to take part in the Randi challenge, but I'm afraid to fly. Before I approach a UK base organisation "ASKE" I would welcome your opinion on the evidence of the supernatural I've gathered since last October.

Thank u
 
Welcome. Where can we read about this evidence which you have gathered?
 
flaccon said:
Hi, I'm new here, and I'm looking for good mannered :) skeptics. I would love to take part in the Randi challenge, but I'm afraid to fly. Before I approach a UK based organisation "ASKE" I would welcome your opinion on the evidence I have of the supernatural, gathered since last October.

Thank u
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When religion becomes nothing more than a pile of irrelevant issues, it's time to turn to Jesus
 
brodski said:
Welcome. Where can we read about this evidence which you have gathered?
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Hi Brodski, I'm totally new here, so a bit unsure how to reply. I'm trying to build up a website with as much evidence as possible. Please go easy, I'm :eek: shook up still. Sorry but the forum won't allow me to type the web link. How will I send you the web addy? The evidence is still on-going ... thanks
 
flaccon said:
Hi Brodski, I'm totally new here, so a bit unsure how to reply. I'm trying to build up a website with as much evidence as possible. Please go easy, I'm :eek: shook up still. Sorry but the forum won't allow me to type the web link. How will I send you the web addy? The evidence is still on-going ... thanks
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You can give enough clues for us to google it; you can copy the link without the first few letters; you can sum up your claims.
 
flaccon said:
When religion becomes nothing more than a pile of irrelevant issues, it's time to turn to Jesus
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This doesn't seem to make any sense. Religion is not a pile of irrelevant issues. It is a lot if things, but not that. And no, it's not time to turn to Jesus.
 
I've turned a complete 360 three times now and jeebus still has not appeared. Does anyone know if he's just avoiding me after that first date? That would just be so mean!!!!!
 
AdMan said:
What does Jesus have to do with your supernatural claims?
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I'm sure he has a lot to do with it. I'm looking for help more than anything, but til help arrives, I'm going to try for some prize money. The quote, was from the spirits themselves, who are fed up of listening to the Church hood who refuse to speak with them because it's considered an insult to God.. for real. If you had external quality speakers, I'd love to post you a demo of how the spirit world sounds.
 
Guys, lets take it easy on the religious comments (if at all possible). You know that just sidetracks things and this gentle-person has come to present potential evidence of some supernatural force/power/event. I for one would like to hear what this is about before the religious debate commences.

So Flaccon, let's start at the beginning. What is the phenomena you feel you have solid evidence of?

Please keep your answer as simple and clean as possible, we can go into details and explanations later.
 
flaccon said:
Hi Brodski, I'm totally new here, so a bit unsure how to reply. I'm trying to build up a website with as much evidence as possible. Please go easy, I'm :eek: shook up still. Sorry but the forum won't allow me to type the web link. How will I send you the web addy? The evidence is still on-going ... thanks
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Welcome to the forum, flaccon.

If you copy and paste the url to your site and throw in a few space breaks, the site software will allow the url and another member would be happy to come along and convert it into a proper link for you.

Looking forward to your contributions. :)
 
flaccon said:
I'm sure he has a lot to do with it. I'm looking for help more than anything, but til help arrives, I'm going to try for some prize money. The quote, was from the spirits themselves, who are fed up of listening to the Church hood who refuse to speak with them because it's considered an insult to God.. for real. If you had external quality speakers, I'd love to post you a demo of how the spirit world sounds.
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So you claim to have recordings of the "spirit world"?

Is this anything like EVP?
 
Weak Kitten said:
Guys, lets take it easy on the religious comments (if at all possible). You know that just sidetracks things and this gentle-person has come to present potential evidence of some supernatural force/power/event. I for one would like to hear what this is about before the religious debate commences.

So Flaccon, let's start at the beginning. What is the phenomena you feel you have solid evidence of?

Please keep your answer as simple and clean as possible, we can go into details and explanations later.
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Thank you. I've done 20 years of the supernatural, most of it "running away" But this new haunting is so unlike the others. Its very positive. I was contacted, healed and given art work in miniature-form, not re-creatable by any human hand. I'm trying to put as much of it as I can on the website. I've been through GP etc, he's heard and wrote me a letter of concern "To whom it may concern.." The letter was aimed at my local Bishop, who still won't help :( I just want to expose the truth whilst I can.
 
Empress said:
Welcome to the forum, flaccon.

If you copy and paste the url to your site and throw in a few space breaks, the site software will allow the url and another member would be happy to come along and convert it into a proper link for you.

Looking forward to your contributions. :)
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Ahh, of course w - w - w dot chapter23 dot org :)
 
AdMan said:
So you claim to have recordings of the "spirit world"?



Its like EVP. They speak like us but entangled. There is the occasional raw EVP pure electronic, but the spirits have expressive tones within their speech.
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flaccon said:
Ahh, of course w - w - w dot chapter23 dot org :)
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Haven't read everything carefully, but based on a quick look through I have a question:

flaccon, are you aware of the psychological phenomenon of pareidolia?
 
AdMan said:
Haven't read everything carefully, but based on a quick look through I have a question:

flaccon, are you aware of the psychological phenomenon of pareidolia?
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Sorry no, but I'll google it. The site is aimed at the Church hood, the spirits requested it. "Spirits in the Blood" is worth a look, it explains a lot. Thank you to whoever put my web address up. Please go easy, I do have the evidence to all their claims. My only claim is "Spirits contacted me, healed me and informed me"
 
Hmm, EVP is a difficult one to prove due to the subjective nature of the interpretation. Based on the images on your site I can tell you right now that many will simply dismiss it as pareidolia, the natural tendency of humans to see patterns even when there are none.

Also I noticed that your site mentioned asking if skeptics "Have any proof that there is no life after death?" This is known as "shifting the burden of proof" and is not only unscientific but is also considered extremely rude. In the scientific community, of which skeptics are a part, it is proper form to come up with reasonable tests which would disprove your own theory. Trying to get others to provide negative proof is a bit like a child trying to get another to do their homework for them.

Anyway, I see a number of images which are a bit too blurry to really interpret. Have you anything that a non-biased observer could tell apart from a blurry picture of a stained cloth?

Edit: I see that others mentioned pereidolia before I even finished writing my post.
 
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It's possible you're underestimating the potential of what can be produced by the human hand.

The spirits used blood. 4 - way rotations within 5 milimeters. Produced sketch-like images and photograph-like images within a millimetre. Then they claim "We did them drawings"
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flaccon said:
AdMan said:
Haven't read everything carefully, but based on a quick look through I have a question:

flaccon, are you aware of the psychological phenomenon of pareidolia?
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Sorry no, but I'll google it.
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You should definitely read up on it. The wiki link that Empress provided above is a good place to start.

I predict you will likely dismiss that explanation, but at the very least you should be able to explain why you dismiss it.
 
Empress said:
flaccon, still glancing through, but are you familiar with the term

The Gp spoke about that until he saw 50 images, illusion-set, and the spirits are clearly heard "boasting" of their work. "Spirits in the blood" is incomplete but if you scroll down, you will see their art, its stange.
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AdMan is correct. The human mind is a fascinating and complex thing. Often we can confuse and fool ourselves without even realizing we are doing so. If scientific procedure seems slow and over-cautious it is because it has to correct for these errors of perception. Reality is always the same despite our desires and perceptions, science tries to get past these limits to find the true shape of reality.
 
I'm from the US, flaccon, so I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing. To me, GP means General Practitioner, so a physician who might work as a family doctor. Is that what you mean when you say GP? And the GP gave you a letter after seeing your evidence? Did you put a copy of the letter on your website?
 
Empress said:
Here you go, flaccon.
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Might take a while for us to go through it all, but I'm sure you'll get lots of interest.

Thank u for posting the URL. I real need help, from someone who knows how to deal with the situ more than myself. The spirits need support.
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Empress said:
I'm from the US, flaccon, so I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing. To me, GP means General Practitioner, so a physician who might work as a family doctor. Is that what you mean when you say GP? And the GP gave you a letter after seeing your evidence? Did you put a copy of the letter on your website?
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Yes sorry, General Practictioner. The spirits originally requseted a "James Jones" I googled him, a Bishop in Liverpool. He wasn't allowed to help (red tape) I wrote to my Bishop here in Chester, he referred me to the GP. Cheeky. I wasn't afraid to go, I took witnesses. The GP heard and saw, and constructed me a letter to forward to the Bishop. The Bishop refused help. I tried for 5 months so far.
 
AdMan said:
You should definitely read up on it. The wiki link that Empress provided above is a good place to start.

I predict you will likely dismiss that explanation, but at the very least you should be able to explain why you dismiss it.
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Yes I looked it up, and thank u. The GP never mentioned it by name, but I'm aware of that explanation. One of the spirits is clearly my Father. Some of the images are of my family. I did a few private demo's totest their ability, people are seriously finding loved ones. Its just got to be exposed, analysed by the professionals, and dealt with.
 
I can understand why he would forward you to a GP. Errors in perception can be caused by illness, injury, or other imbalances in the body such as dehydration or exhaustion. Why there is even a particular low frequency noise that can cause feelings of disquiet and minor hallucinations!

I know that the good skeptics on this forum can provide you with plenty of links to all of the different possible physical explanations for your experiences. However they have no power to make you read those links or think about your personal experiences in relation to them. It is up to you to keep an open mind and acknowledge that there may be an explanation for your experiences that is not supernatural and not what you expected.
 
The writing on the site does not seem to match your writing here. Different style and inflection. This "claim" seems very very weak.
 
Weak Kitten said:
Hmm, EVP is a difficult one to prove due to the subjective nature of the interpretation. Based on the images on your site I can tell you right now that many will simply dismiss it as pareidolia, the natural tendency of humans to see patterns even when there are none.

Also I noticed that your site mentioned asking if skeptics "Have any proof that there is no life after death?" This is known as "shifting the burden of proof" and is not only unscientific but is also considered extremely rude. In the scientific community, of which skeptics are a part, it is proper form to come up with reasonable tests which would disprove your own theory. Trying to get others to provide negative proof is a bit like a child trying to get another to do their homework for them.

Anyway, I see a number of images which are a bit too blurry to really interpret. Have you anything that a non-biased observer could tell apart from a blurry picture of a stained cloth?

Edit: I see that others mentioned pereidolia before I even finished writing my post.
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I don't feel the question was rude, and it's not my intention to be rude. I will be valueing skeptic in-put. The blurry images are due to how it's been delivered, and my lack of equipment to produce clarity. Maybe the images are not good enough, but they did their best and will continue to do so.
 
Blurry pictures aside, do you have any of your "spirit world" recordings available online?
 
flaccon said:
I don't feel the question was rude, and it's not my intention to be rude. I will be valueing skeptic in-put. The blurry images are due to how it's been delivered, and my lack of equipment to produce clarity. Maybe the images are not good enough, but they did their best and will continue to do so.
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What Weak Kitten was trying to get at here is that I cannot claim to have seen a green cat, and then challenge you to disprove that claim. It's logically impossible to disprove that claim, as you cannot possibly search in every corner of the universe where a green cat might be hiding. All you can say is that no evidence has been brought forward to demonstrate the green cat's existence.

Similarly, it is logically impossible to disprove the existence of an afterlife. All we as skeptics can say is that no evidence has been brought forward to demonstrate its existence.

The burden of proof lies with the claim of existence. It is sensible to assume that something does not exist until you have evidence that it does. Otherwise, we'd all believe in unicorns, dragons and mermaids.
 
Lanzy said:
The writing on the site does not seem to match your writing here. Different style and inflection. This "claim" seems very very weak.

The writing on my site is to express to certain clergy men that I'm staying strong through their refusal to help. The supernatural goes back 20 years for me, without a drop of evidence, plenty of witnesses, nothing "positive" all negative. I finally get evidence, and I think it's best left to the professionals to examine, before being dismissed as "weak" My style of writing here isn't all that different. I just assumed I could relax a bit more here.
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AdMan said:
Blurry pictures aside, do you have any of your "spirit world" recordings available online?
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No but it wouldn't be difficult to do so. I think what people are wanting are good clear images, with posh voices, and it's just not like that. Their speech is entangled, some sound like they have sore throats, and some are clear. My father has been heard with his "own" voice plenty of times. One of the voices is very powerful and altho my speakers are fairly good (Bose Companion 2) there is too much bass in his tone to handle. I did a pvt demo last week and the spirit joined in the conversation. I am still testing their ability. For example, because they keep going on about "electric cables" and how hey are manipulating them, I realised they weren't actually being recoded. I pressed record (12 secs) and pressed stop, then asked them to repeat a certain phrase, and then pressed playback. It was successful every time. (I hope that made some sense)
 
flaccon said:
The supernatural goes back 20 years for me, without a drop of evidence, plenty of witnesses, nothing "positive" all negative. I finally get evidence, and I think it's best left to the professionals to examine, before being dismissed as "weak"
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It's still not very clear what this "evidence" is. Is it just EVP-style recordings and you seeing apparent faces in blood stains? Because that's not likely to be evidence of anything other than auditory and visual pareidolia, well-known psychological phenomena with purely natural causes.

Are the spirits able to tell you information that you couldn't possibly know, such as what is shown in a drawing in a sealed envelope? If so, you might have a claim for the $1 million.
 
flaccon said:
For example, because they keep going on about "electric cables" and how hey are manipulating them, I realised they weren't actually being recoded. I pressed record (12 secs) and pressed stop, then asked them to repeat a certain phrase, and then pressed playback. It was successful every time. (I hope that made some sense)
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Not much. So there are no recordings of the voices at all?
 
AdMan said:
It's still not very clear what this "evidence" is. Is it just EVP-style recordings and you seeing apparent faces in blood stains? Because that's not likely to be evidence of anything other than auditory and visual pareidolia, well-known psychological phenomena with purely natural causes.

Are the spirits able to tell you information that you couldn't possibly know, such as what is shown in a drawing in a sealed envelope? If so, you might have a claim for the $1 million.
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I haven't tested nothing like that, it's all new to me. I've no idea of their full potential. They can speak, heal, draw, explain certain things, differentiate colours, join in conversation. They're more than voices on computer. I think what they're already doing is pretty magic, but I have to try that. Wait, I recall explaining to a friend how spirits-guides communicate with other spirit guides. For instance, I asked him to put the phone down, call out a colour, and I'll see if the spirits can tell me. As I was texting him the colour "purple" he'd phoned me up because "Purple rain" had just come on the radio. Sounds like a big coincidence and yes I should try that again.
 
May I ask : What did you do differently this time around, that you weren't doing for the first 20 years of your research?
 
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