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Old 3rd September 2013, 08:06 AM   #1
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Smokescreen at the Pentagon

Just a short video comparing a military-grade smoke machine to the billowing smoke at the Pentagon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39IwxayVeIw
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What is this? Groundhog year 2006?
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
Just a short video comparing a military-grade smoke machine to the billowing smoke at the Pentagon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39IwxayVeIw
Making fun of the WTC murdered people, now making fun of those murdered by 19 terrorists at the Pentagon. Why do you like to make fun of the dead by making up silly lies?

You can't do RADAR so you make up lies about 911. You can't do the physics, so you lie about 911. I notice a trend.

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Old 3rd September 2013, 08:32 AM   #5
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What is this? Groundhog year 2006?
Really? The smoke machine angle is actually new to me. It is, however, exactly the breathtaking degree of stupid that I have come to expect from the Truth movement.

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This just in - smoke looks like smoke. Welcome to reality.
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Why not just fly a plane into the Pentagon? Much simpler than all the staging of this, that and the other thing.
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
Just a short video comparing a military-grade smoke machine to the billowing smoke at the Pentagon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39IwxayVeIw
That is fantastic! You managed to make a video that proves they look nothing alike. Particularly the flames in the pentagon video. Kudos
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I wonder how they faked the flames that the smoke was pouring out from?

Is there anything the CIA can't do (when joos are involved that is )

ETA: just when you think the bar for Truther IQ has been lowered the center of the earth, more surprises happen.
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Originally Posted by gmanontario View Post
I wonder how they faked the flames that the smoke was pouring out from?

Is there anything the CIA can't do (when joos are involved that is )

ETA: just when you think the bar for Truther IQ has been lowered the center of the earth, more surprises happen.
This guy wasn't fake. No-planers can stop by NOSC Chicago anytime and ask around.

LCDR Patrick J. Murphy, USNR

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LCDR Patrick J. Murphy, USNR, of suburban Chicago, Illinois, has been identified as one of the victims of the September 11th terrorist attack on the Pentagon. A member of the Naval Reserve, LCDR Murphy was performing a three-week assignment with the Navy Command Center, standing duty when the attack occurred.

A 1981 graduate of Marian Catholic High School, he signed up for ROTC and completed a B.S. in Chemical Engineering at the University of Mississippi in 1986. He was commissioned an Ensign in the Navy on May 21, 1986, in the Nuclear Propulsion program. That same year, he married his wife of 15 years, Masako Nagasawa.

Following nuclear power plant training, Patrick served on U.S.S. Sand Lance (SSN 660) as leader of Electrical, Reactor Control and Damage Control divisions.

In 1991, Patrick left active duty to pursue a career in Chemical Engineering. He has worked for a few firms, including Brach’s Confections, Inc. and the Alberto Culver Company in Chicago. He recently received an M.B.A from the University of Chicago and, shortly after, moved with his family to New Jersey. He maintained his connection with the Navy, serving in a number of positions with the Naval Reserve and performing duty with the Chief of Naval Operations branch of the Pentagon. He completed a course of study at the Naval War College in International Relations and Strategic Studies in 1999. His decorations include the Navy Achievement Medal (two), the Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal, the Navy Commendation Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, and the Purple Heart (posthumously awarded).

Patrick Murphy was a man of many interests, well traveled, and a student of history. He had visited many countries in Europe and Asia, and enjoyed meeting people and learning different cultures. Most importantly, he loved spending time with his family. LCDR Murphy was a loving, devoted and loyal husband, father, son, brother and uncle. An intensely profound man, Patrick believed strongly in family, God and country. Patrick gave his life for these beliefs. He will be sorely missed by his family, friends and fellow countrymen. We all hope and pray that he may rest in peace.

Patrick is survived by his wife of 15 years, Masako Murphy; his two children, Mitchell, 6, and Casey, 3; his mother, Joan Miller of Glenwood, Illinois; his mother-in-law, Toyoko Iida of Tokyo, Japan; his step-mother, Joyce Murphy of Pinehurst, North Carolina; two brothers, John J. Murphy of Flossmoor, Illinois, and David J. Ames of Evanston, Illinois; stepbrother and sister-in-law, Rodger Miller and Delores Williams of Crete, Illinois; three sisters and two brothers-in-law, Kathleen M. Schweikart and Jay Schweikart of Naperville, Illinois, and Susan G. Johns and Christopher Johns of Louisville, Kentucky, and Gwynne L. Murphy of Pinehurst, North Carolina; sister-in-law and brother-in-law, Takako Fukuda and Yuji Fukuda of Tokyo, Japan; four nephews and five nieces, Sachiko Fukuda, Makiko Fukuda, Naoko Fukuda, Celia Johns, Timothy Schweikart, Reece Johns, Jamie Schweikart, Orion Johns and Joseph Schweikart; his godfather, Dr. William Slavin and his godmother, Mrs. Mark Salenk; two uncles; two aunts; and numerous cousins, friends and military colleagues.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
This just in - smoke looks like smoke. Welcome to reality.
One of the first comments on the video, "How did they explain where all the smoke was coming from?".

I don't know, there might have been something on fire.
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That is fantastic! You managed to make a video that proves they look nothing alike. Particularly the flames in the pentagon video. Kudos
Well, they must have had flamethrowers too. That's it, smoke machines and flamethrowers, because, is you want people to believe that a building was set on fire, the last thing you would do is set it on fire.
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Oh. Seagull threads. How delightful
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
Just a short video comparing a military-grade smoke machine to the billowing smoke at the Pentagon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39IwxayVeIw
Wow!!!

So smoke machines designed to produce enough smoke to say, hide a ship from aircraft, produces a similar quantity of smoke at the same rate as a large burning building. That's fantastic research there yankman.
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One of the first comments on the video, "How did they explain where all the smoke was coming from?".

I don't know, there might have been something on fire.
Have you noticed yankman's reply? Seems he missed the fact that yes, there are flames as one would expect when an aircraft with fuel on board crashes into an office building.
Also must assume the fire fighters are 'in-on-it' since they appear to take the smoke an indication of large area office fire.

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I wonder how the smoke generator survived the explosion(s) that removed 100 feet of ground floor wall?
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Seconded!
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I wonder how they faked the flames that the smoke was pouring out from?

Is there anything the CIA can't do (when joos are involved that is )

ETA: just when you think the bar for Truther IQ has been lowered the center of the earth, more surprises happen.
They probably had their heating element too hot, doncha think? Or do you?

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How does a smoke machine work?

A smoke machine, in its simplest terms, is a heating element which gets very hot, through which special fluid is pumped and is vapourised, thereby creating smoke vapour which exits the machine through the nozzle. Electronic circuitry ensures that the heating block in the smoke machine is kept between certain temperatures - too hot and the machine turns into a flame thrower - too cold and it shoots out hot liquid.
http://www.smokemachines.net/faqs.shtml
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They probably had their heating element too hot, doncha think? Or do you?


http://www.smokemachines.net/faqs.shtml
Ahh, the brilliant classic "Utterly ingenious and utterly incompetent at the exact same time" ploy. What a brilliant bit of Truthering. Well, guys, we'd better pack it in, I'm convinced.
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That is fantastic! You managed to make a video that proves they look nothing alike. Particularly the flames in the pentagon video. Kudos


http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7&postcount=19
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
They probably had their heating element too hot, doncha think? Or do you?


http://www.smokemachines.net/faqs.shtml
What is your point? You can make up the dumbest lies about 911? You seem to be one of top contenders along with Judy, and Jones. I thought thermite was dumbed down pretty far, but the smoke machine beats that one. You might be tied with the beam weapon delusions on this failed implied smoke junk.

Can 911 truth make a dumber claim? You made the list of really silly claims. Are you making fun of people murdered by terrorists? What is your goal?

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Ahh, the brilliant classic "Utterly ingenious and utterly incompetent at the exact same time" ploy. What a brilliant bit of Truthering. Well, guys, we'd better pack it in, I'm convinced.
Sort of like saying thermal smoke machines can't create fire.
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Sort of like saying thermal smoke machines can't create fire.
which is sort of like saying macrame is hard to do with your feet - and is about as relevant.
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which is sort of like saying macrame is hard to do with your feet - and is about as relevant.
I wonder how good those smoke machines are at faking bodies, plane parts, radar returns, and Black Box data?
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
Just a short video comparing a military-grade smoke machine to the billowing smoke at the Pentagon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39IwxayVeIw
You just now realized a jet of smoke looks like a jet of smoke, regardless of its source?
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Smoke machine or was Jeff Spicoli's van covertly moved to the Pentagon in the hours preceeding the attack?

"Spicoli" is obviously a Jewish name.

Think about it!
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Why not just fly a plane into the Pentagon? Much simpler than all the staging of this, that and the other thing.
Yes, but if sometimes bad things happen that aren't the fault of anyone, then the world is scary.

We must all believe that all things are caused by one omnipotent being or group and hold onto that belief like the security blanket it is. Coincidences are terrifying and can not be real.
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You couldn't find a video with one doing that, huh?

Well if I didn't think your video was completely silly already......
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They probably had their heating element too hot, doncha think? Or do you?

I think all the time. You obviously have trouble doing so. Al least using logic and common sense.

Carry one, you amuse me.
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Sort of like saying thermal smoke machines can't create fire.


Except for the bit where you show he's also "Utterly ingenious".
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OMG! Underground Jerb!!!!
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Except for the bit where you show he's also "Utterly ingenious".
I thought for a moment he was utterly igneous. That would have been a rocky start...
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If you want the grand-daddy of sewer explosions try this one.

Guadalajara -Mexico - 22 April 1992. IIRC Petrol and gas into a sewer - "excavated" a whole street for ~1.5 Km.

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?lr=&...8&tx=141&ty=70

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This just in - smoke looks like smoke. Welcome to reality.
Smoke billowing from a stationary tube. Reality, indeed.
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Smoke machine or was Jeff Spicoli's van covertly moved to the Pentagon in the hours preceeding the attack?

"Spicoli" is obviously a Jewish name.

Think about it!
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I wonder how they faked the flames that the smoke was pouring out from?

Is there anything the CIA can't do (when joos are involved that is )

ETA: just when you think the bar for Truther IQ has been lowered the center of the earth, more surprises happen.
They probably had their heating element too hot, doncha think? Or do you?

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How does a smoke machine work?

A smoke machine, in its simplest terms, is a heating element which gets very hot, through which special fluid is pumped and is vapourised, thereby creating smoke vapour which exits the machine through the nozzle. Electronic circuitry ensures that the heating block in the smoke machine is kept between certain temperatures - too hot and the machine turns into a flame thrower - too cold and it shoots out hot liquid.
http://www.smokemachines.net/faqs.shtml
Are you seriously implying the flames looked anything like a flamethrower?


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Are you seriously implying the flames looked anything like a flamethrower?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...6bb8c7a711.jpg
Hahaha - are you seriously implying that's what I was implying?

You see, in the video you haven't watched there's a burst of fire before the smoke machine really get's it's groove-on, as it were. This is likely because their heating element was too hot as they added their smoke fluid. I don't need to imply anything - it's right there on the video.
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Hahaha - are you seriously implying that's what I was implying?

You see, in the video you haven't watched there's a burst of fire before the smoke machine really get's it's groove-on, as it were. This is likely because their heating element was too hot as they added their smoke fluid. I don't need to imply anything - it's right there on the video.
So after the missiles hit someone stood in the burning wreck operating a smoke machine?

Where do we get such men?
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