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Old 9th February 2015, 07:13 PM   #281
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Maduro and his buddies are obviously pocketing the oil money for themselves. There is really no excuse for a country that pumps so much oil to not be able to provide for their people.
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Old 10th February 2015, 06:48 AM   #282
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Old 10th February 2015, 02:11 PM   #283
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Good news everyone!
President Maduro has figured out who is to blame for all the shortages in Venezualia!

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...50205?irpc=932
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-31159622

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Maduro is arresting the owners of businesses and seizing their businesses because he blames the business owners for causing the shortages in order to make the government look bad.
Shades of Joe Stalin and the "Wreckers' in the 1930's.....
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Old 10th February 2015, 02:14 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by petrov2500 View Post
Maduro and his buddies are obviously pocketing the oil money for themselves. There is really no excuse for a country that pumps so much oil to not be able to provide for their people.
I don't know if they have enough brains to sucessful pocket money for themselves. They seem to more on the level of True Believers in a ideology that just does not work.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the true believers felt they were entitled to some extra reward for all their hard work.
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Old 10th February 2015, 08:49 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I don't know if they have enough brains to sucessful pocket money for themselves. They seem to more on the level of True Believers in a ideology that just does not work.
Surely the oil money must be going somewhere?
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Old 11th February 2015, 05:34 AM   #287
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Originally Posted by petrov2500 View Post
Maduro and his buddies are obviously pocketing the oil money for themselves. There is really no excuse for a country that pumps so much oil to not be able to provide for their people.
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I don't know if they have enough brains to sucessful pocket money for themselves. They seem to more on the level of True Believers in a ideology that just does not work.
Originally Posted by petrov2500 View Post
Surely the oil money must be going somewhere?
I think dudalb is more or less correct here. Not that there isn't corruption, but that isn't the main problem with Venezuela. For one thing, they practically give away gasoline to Venezuelan citizens, at much less than the cost production. They also give oil to countries like Cuba or sell it to them at bargain prices below what it would fetch on the international market.

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Venezuela famously enjoys the cheapest gas in the world: At around 5 cents a gallon, Venezuelans can typically fill up their cars for less than $1

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Venezuela also sells hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil to its neighbors in the region at heavy discounts.
These things cost money, obviously. I'm no expert in how much it costs to produce gasoline, but I'm pretty sure that it's more than 5 cents per gallon. So they lose money by doing this, and it's not clear why a government would do that if their only concern was to line their own pockets.
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Old 11th February 2015, 12:41 PM   #288
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Old 19th February 2015, 06:49 PM   #289
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Next step, arrest opposition politicians:

Caracas mayor who opposed government violently arrested

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CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — National police in camouflage uniforms smashed into the office of Caracas Mayor Antonio Ledezma on Thursday and carried the opposition figure away. President Nicolas Maduro announced that the mayor would be punished for all his efforts to disturb the peace.

Reports of the arrest set off protests around the city, where people spontaneously banged pots from their windows or tapped rhythms on their car horns amid rush hour traffic. As night fell, hundreds gathered in front of the headquarters of the intelligence service police to vent their anger.

In a speech Thursday night, Maduro said the mayor had been "captured" and would face justice.

"He'll be held accountable for all his crimes," Maduro said in comments that TV and radio stations across the country were required to carry.

Last week, Maduro named Ledezma among a laundry list of government critics and Western powers he accused of plotting a coup to bring down the South American country's socialist government, one of more than a dozen such denunciations Maduro has made since taking power in 2013. Ledezma mocked the accusation in multiple interviews, saying the real destabilizing force in Venezuela was the government's corruption.
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Dictatorship checklist update:

[x] Non-free economy goes to hell
[x] Difficulty keeping up nationalized industrial infrastfucture
[x] Arrests of all political opposition and newspapers

Boy, Putin Chavez and intellecual heir are right on schedule!
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Old 24th February 2015, 02:08 PM   #291
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Next step, arrest opposition politicians:

Caracas mayor who opposed government violently arrested
Yeah, it's following the classic pattern.....
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Old 24th February 2015, 02:37 PM   #292
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And it's been quite a while since the apologists for the Great Bolivarian Revolution have posted here.
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And it's been quite a while since the apologists for the Great Bolivarian Revolution have posted here.
Did any of them ever post in this thread? I know they were all over other Venezuela threads but the one concerning the crumbling?
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Did any of them ever post in this thread? I know they were all over other Venezuela threads but the one concerning the crumbling?
"Former" truther DC used to post in this thread.
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Old 25th February 2015, 03:37 PM   #295
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
"Former" truther DC used to post in this thread.
DC has been AWOL since shortly before the Forums changes ownership.
I wonder if he is now aware of what a fool he made of himself with his blind worship of Chavez and the Bolivarian revolution, and for that reason is reluctant to return.
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Old 25th February 2015, 03:45 PM   #296
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
DC has been AWOL since shortly before the Forums changes ownership.
I wonder if he is now aware of what a fool he made of himself with his blind worship of Chavez and the Bolivarian revolution, and for that reason is reluctant to return.
AFAIK he was permab&
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AFAIK he was permab&
If true, that's too bad. I thought he was an interesting commentator, even though I sometimes disagreed with him.
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Old 25th February 2015, 07:15 PM   #298
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DC has been AWOL since shortly before the Forums changes ownership.
I wonder if he is now aware of what a fool he made of himself with his blind worship of Chavez and the Bolivarian revolution, and for that reason is reluctant to return.
He's banned which is why I'm not worried about expressing my doubt of his honesty in abandoning his support of trutherism.
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Old 26th February 2015, 02:33 AM   #299
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Black market rate of BSf to dollar hit 200 mark today.
http://www.paralelovenezuela.com/

I do wonder if Venezuela will be able to match Zimbabwe in 2008, when the dollar rate for Zim dollar was measured in kilograms of banknotes per dollar.

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If true, that's too bad. I thought he was an interesting commentator, even though I sometimes disagreed with him.
Agreed. IIRC, he came as a truther and completely changed his views. It's always fun to see someone turn the corner.
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He's banned which is why I'm not worried about expressing my doubt of his honesty in abandoning his support of trutherism.
What made you think he was still a truther? I thought his change of mind was sincere.
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Agreed. IIRC, he came as a truther and completely changed his views. It's always fun to see someone turn the corner.
Problem was he just found other brands of nonsense to replace his trutherism.
I note that it was after he gave up Trutherism he begun his blind worship of Hugo Chavez and the whole "Bolivarian" revolution.
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Was it really blind? Maybe it was just a mistake. I have intelligent, ethical friends who bought into Chavismo, for a variety of reasons.
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Looks like protests against the government are heating up:

11 stunning photos of the protest movement sweeping Venezuela

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Protests have exploded across Venezuela in recent days as citizens gather to demonstrate against the government's heavy-handed police tactics, its crackdown on political dissent, and the economic woes that have led to inflation and shortages of basic goods. These photos show just how large those protests have become — and the scale of the government crackdown they provoked, which this week led to the death of a 14-year-old boy during an anti-government rally.

The February 19 arrest of a popular opposition politician inflamed the protests

President Maduro now has only a 20 percent approval rating, and has responded with a series of harsh crackdowns on political dissent, including arrests of opposition politicians. Caracas mayor Antonio Ledezma, a prominent critic of President Nicolás Maduro, was arrested on February 19 on charges of plotting an American-backed coup against the government. His detention sparked another round of major demonstrations in Caracas, adding to the unrest that has been increasing since early 2014.

Police shot and killed a 14-year-old boy on Tuesday, sparking further protests

Protests have flared again this week after 14-year-old Kluiverth Roa was shot dead by police during an anti-government rally on Tuesday in the city of San Cristobal. Demonstrators gathered in Caracas and elsewhere to protest Roa's death, though the worst unrest was in San Cristobal, where protesters gathered at Roa's public funeral.
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Black market value of Bolivar is down another 7% since yesterday, to 214 to the dollar. The economic crisis is worsening by the day.

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Chavez's chickens are coming home to roost, big time. Not to mention that his actual death might have been hidden by the government for political reasons.
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What made you think he was still a truther? I thought his change of mind was sincere.
He eagerly jumped on and supported any pro-truther story hadn't yet been debunked and always with a hmm makes you think comment. Mind you there weren't many of these because it's complete nonsense.
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Next step, blame Canada America.
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Next step, blame Canada America.
Wait, GB is now banned from entering Venezuela? This has gone too far.
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Soooo are they still out of power or have we switched to politics and the lights are back on??? Inquire minds want to NOOoooooo!!!
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Next step, blame Canada America.
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And it's been quite a while since the apologists for the Great Bolivarian Revolution have posted here.
Who those would be?
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Next step, blame Canada America.
God, Maduro looks like a Latin AMerican Dictator right out of Central casting....
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Who those would be?
Use the search engine to look up threads on Chavez/Venezuela; you will see how in the Good Old Days before the house of cards started to collapse there were plenty of fanboys for the "Bolivarian Revolution" here.
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Well, certainly I would hope the House of Cards to stand until at least its fourth season (by February 2016) in order to have our soon former president fleeing and being given asylum in Venezuela. Otherwise there's a certain risk of self coup d'état (autogolpe) as she may find Venezuela the only comfortable way to avoid incarceration. Let's Pope Francis Underwood to mediate.

So, long live to the Venezuelan Indigenism, in Socialist disguise, led by its whitish führers and inspired by bird-like ghosts, as it might be the only hope for half a dozen countries to sweep out their political filth.
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Well, certainly I would hope the House of Cards to stand until at least its fourth season (by February 2016) in order to have our soon former president fleeing and being given asylum in Venezuela. Otherwise there's a certain risk of self coup d'état (autogolpe) as she may find Venezuela the only comfortable way to avoid incarceration. Let's Pope Francis Underwood to mediate.

So, long live to the Venezuelan Indigenism, in Socialist disguise, led by its whitish führers and inspired by bird-like ghosts, as it might be the only hope for half a dozen countries to sweep out their political filth.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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That makes no sense whatsoever.
Then it suits the thread...
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There were apologists here trying to justify jailing news media opposition because, you know, they were funding attempts to overthrow him.

Even if true in every case, that's just a legal issue (like Saddam's defense team claiming he gets to execute people trying to overthrow him because statecraft) and is not ethically justifiable, as it is perfectly ok to seek to overthrow a dictator, even a populistly-elected one.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Well, certainly I would hope the House of Cards to stand until at least its fourth season (by February 2016) in order to have our soon former president fleeing and being given asylum in Venezuela. Otherwise there's a certain risk of self coup d'état (autogolpe) as she may find Venezuela the only comfortable way to avoid incarceration. Let's Pope Francis Underwood to mediate.

So, long live to the Venezuelan Indigenism, in Socialist disguise, led by its whitish führers and inspired by bird-like ghosts, as it might be the only hope for half a dozen countries to sweep out their political filth.
I guess things aren't turning out as you hoped.

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Then it suits the thread...
What, specifically (outside of your silly pomposity), doesn't make sense in this thread?
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
I guess things aren't turning out as you hoped.
On the contrary: it is happening almost exactly as I expected it to be (except for the opportunity and value oil reached)

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What, specifically (outside of your silly pomposity), doesn't make sense in this thread?
C'mon! This whole thread is about pomposity: participants, many of them just cold war cultural leftovers, departing from pieces of news took at random and doing the written equivalent of mouthing and being opinionated about what they don't know, don't care to know and wouldn't be able to know.

My paragraph -which you qualify as a product of silly pomposity- is designed in the same way of the "Sally, squirrels, obscene calls and neon signs" example used to explain what an integrating factor is -in cognitive science, not mathematics-. It means: if you know a bit about contemporary Venezuela and Latin American politics and culture, you got it, whatever your ideological stance. If you don't, it sounds unarticulated.

Any time you read something "pompous" from mine it'll mean I'm saying "you don't get it and, worse, you seem to be structurally unable to get it".

Antidemocratic regimes take part of their strength from the dynamics of hate. And what has been said here in the Venezuelan/Chavez threads only would strengthen that hate, favouring the antidemocratic field, if they weren't so unimportant in real life.

Anyway these threads are important within the microcosm of these fora and deserve a sceptical approach.
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