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Old 26th October 2013, 05:28 PM   #1
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Police K9 dog units superior to police psychic detectives

After speaking with more than 300 U.S. and Canadian public law enforcement agencies and examining several thousand public and agency reports since 1980 I’m now updating my estimates and counts.

First, as of October 2013 there is not a single remaining U.S. public law enforcement agency at the federal or State Police level, or for any city or county police forensic bureau that hires or seeks out psychic detectives, and/or psychic mediums on any type of investigation. It appears even among all smaller U.S. city and township law enforcement agencies with paid personnel of 20 or larger that now 100% reject the use of hiring or seeking so called "police psychic" assistance.

Incredibly I can't even find any U.S. public law enforcement agency of any size that is willing to directly hire a psychic for any missing person or criminal investigation. None. At best literally a single handful will interact with an outside family hired psychic --- but even then typically as a "public courtesy".

Indeed in comparing public law enforcement agencies with dedicated K9 units versus the same agencies who have interacted with “police psychics / psychic detectives” hired by outside families, there is an approximate 710,000 to 1 rated “superior result” over case work claims obtained from psychics.

As I’ve noted before K9 units with trained police dogs offer less average cost per case resolved, vastly reduced and limited legal liabilities, virtually no overturned convictions, and a documented three decade history of solving crimes and obtaining actual court convictions over “police psychic” supplied and recorded "visionary" collections and claims.

Compared with police psychic detectives, K9 units now hold an approximate 92,400 to 1 chance of finding a missing person alive over psychics and better than 1 million to 1 chance of finding a missing person dead or alive more than a year before psychic supplied information. And even on cases more than two decades old the credibility of K9 documented information and assistance rates are a "superior data" result match by 100% of the agencies who have responded since 1992.

Do police use psychics, missing person mediums, and TV psychic detectives? No, they use proven and credible K9 police dog units.

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Old 26th October 2013, 05:44 PM   #2
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A dog more valuable than a psychic? No-brainer.
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Old 27th October 2013, 01:14 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by aggle-rithm View Post
A dog more valuable than a psychic? No-brainer.
I think we are missing the big picture here. What if ...... Dogs ..... Are the real psychics ...... (dramatic music)
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Old 27th October 2013, 01:28 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by aggle-rithm View Post
A dog more valuable than a psychic? No-brainer.
Well, looking at your picture, I'd have to say that you're not necessarily unbiased!

Having said that, I have to agree with you.
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Old 27th October 2013, 02:13 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by CMRTIXPS57 View Post
I think we are missing the big picture here. What if ...... Dogs ..... Are the real psychics ...... (dramatic music)
What do you mean by "what if"? Rupert Sheldrake is certain.

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Sheldrake conclusively proves what many pet owners already know - that there is a strong connection between humans and animals that lies beyond present-day scientific understanding.
http://www.sheldrake.org/B&R/booksuk/index.html#dogs

He's published in 'The Daily Mail'!



I remain skeptical.
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Old 27th October 2013, 04:47 AM   #6
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... and in other news, the Pope is revealed to be a catholic and bears defecate in the woods.

More seriously though, I'm genuinely happy to hear that Law Enforcement in the U.S is ignoring "psychics". I don't think they get much work (if any) here in the U.K either. "Psychics" are, and always have been, dangerously deluded or outright charlatans. Their involvement in any kind of investigation could only hinder that investigation by diverting resources and attention away from the real work. I'll be even happier when they start getting prosecuted for fraud. They exploit the grieving, the vulnerable and the desperate for financial gain. They are selfish, manipulative and, for want of a better term, evil. The sooner every single "psychic" is out of business, the better.
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Old 27th October 2013, 06:00 AM   #7
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In other words, if any self-proclaimed "psychic" (aren't they all?) reports to have been hired by an LEO from any date beyond 2014, they are blatantly lying? If so, that is good to know that there is a definitive date that can be pointed to as a cut-off to identify blatant charlatanism.

As I typed those words it occured to me that there will still be a whole bunch of wiggle-room left to convince rubes that a particular psychic is particularly useful in a particular situation with a particular BiL of a Deputy who had a particular 'consultation,' with a particularly broad definition of 'accuracy,' and this mess will continue indefinately.

Silly me to think that being caught in an outright and objectifiable lie would be an inescapable conundrum for a psychic.
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Old 27th October 2013, 11:22 AM   #8
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"Rrrikes! a g-g-g-ghost!!"

"No, look! - under the sheet - it was the police psychic all along! You're a hero, Scoob!"

"Drat! and I might have gotten away with it, if not for those pesky kids..."

"Heh! hee-hee-hee-hee-hee! Rooby Roo!!!"
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Old 27th October 2013, 11:54 AM   #9
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Local TV news producers dying out psychic news?

Originally Posted by s4zando View Post
In other words, if any self-proclaimed "psychic" (aren't they all?) reports to have been hired by an LEO from any date beyond 2014, they are blatantly lying? If so, that is good to know that there is a definitive date that can be pointed to as a cut-off to identify blatant charlatanism.

As I typed those words it occured to me that there will still be a whole bunch of wiggle-room left to convince rubes that a particular psychic is particularly useful in a particular situation with a particular BiL of a Deputy who had a particular 'consultation,' with a particularly broad definition of 'accuracy,' and this mess will continue indefinately.

Silly me to think that being caught in an outright and objectifiable lie would be an inescapable conundrum for a psychic.
Fortunately it's become impossible to find any law enforcement AGENCY that will now hire a "police psychic detective" across the U.S. --- and far fewer in Canada than just 5 years ago. The base of agencies steadfastly against psychics has grown so large that even the smallest county sheriff agencies cringe at putting direct hiring on their books. Coupled with the fact that every single psychic hired in the past four decades has been caught in exaggerated deceptions and legal, community, and liability repercussions have exploded --- police psychics hired by agencies are dead.

Slower at understanding these transformations in getting as far away from psychics as possible are local TV station “producers” who apparently graduated without any depth in investigative journalism. There remain a few around the U.S. still ignorant enough to prepare 3 minute local psychic police stories to highlight their hometown news at 5 and 11 o’clock. Yet fewer and fewer people are watching such hometown bogus sensationalism. But every Halloween season and during rating periods there will be some recycled once again.

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Old 27th October 2013, 12:14 PM   #10
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No surprise on dogs actually working as opposed to psychics.

Some surprise that the same people who still use lie detectors have figured it out too.
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Old 27th October 2013, 01:17 PM   #11
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Number of missing persons found by police K9 units - hundreds
Number of missing persons found by psychics - 0
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Old 27th October 2013, 01:19 PM   #12
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On the downside, this means that we're not going to see any more brilliant detectives who are forced to pretend to be psychic just to get the police to take them seriously.

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Old 27th October 2013, 09:15 PM   #13
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I don't get how the comparison can possibly be valid. They do, or hypothetically would do, different parts of the job. Psychics are supposed to be able to tell what area to look in. Dogs pinpoint something within an area they're sent to check. If psychics were used, there would be no reason dogs couldn't also be used on the same cases: first one, then the other... just like how in real cases, real detective work that gives detectives a real idea of where to look is a preliminary step to sending the dogs, not an alternative to it.

This is like talking about which works best for cooking/heating soup: a pot, or a stove.
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Old 27th October 2013, 11:06 PM   #14
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Your question is valid. But the problem is the psychics rarely pinpoint an area themselves to examine --- or perhaps its an entire state or county ---and when they do it later proves incorrect or lacks specifics.

"On the right side of an old road" or "near water" or "under pine trees" lacks any type of mapping ability. Is the road right as you travel north or right as you travel south?

When the area is already known to both K9 units and psychics the psychics have repeatedly been unable to find an item or person --- even if they actually explore the area themselves or "vision" the area while being elsewhere. Comparing the K9 units on-site work versus the psychics visions and/or on-site work, the psychics perform poorly.

It essentially comes down to psychics appear to guess among many delusional unknowns. K9 units zero in on a known (scents) and often get a match. Why aren't psychics also getting known's if they are psychic?
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Old 29th October 2013, 12:35 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by aggle-rithm View Post
A dog more valuable than a psychic? No-brainer.
A coiled pile of dog **** is more valuable than a psychic.
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Old 30th October 2013, 09:55 AM   #16
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I don't get how the comparison can possibly be valid. They do, or hypothetically would do, different parts of the job. Psychics are supposed to be able to tell what area to look in. Dogs pinpoint something within an area they're sent to check. If psychics were used, there would be no reason dogs couldn't also be used on the same cases: first one, then the other... just like how in real cases, real detective work that gives detectives a real idea of where to look is a preliminary step to sending the dogs, not an alternative to it.

This is like talking about which works best for cooking/heating soup: a pot, or a stove.
Plus I'd like to see police send a psychic into a dark attic to see if a bad guy is hiding in there. K9 units are awesome at that sort of thing.
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Old 30th October 2013, 09:59 AM   #17
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Plus I'd like to see police send a psychic into a dark attic to see if a bad guy is hiding in there. K9 units are awesome at that sort of thing.
"What's the matter, Sylvia? You have those talons to defend yourself, now shut the **** up and get in that attic!"
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Old 30th October 2013, 10:58 AM   #18
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Maybe dogs are psychic too. All that sniffing about is just a clever ploy to fool us. They probably can't smell for beans.

The ones that live with me always seem to know when I can be guilted into feeding them. They wait patiently, laying there relaxed, thinking their dog thoughts... then BAM! it's all about the sad eyes and the plaintive vocalizations.

Darn it dogs! Get out of my head.
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Old 31st October 2013, 10:10 PM   #19
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More honest, more accurate, and even better looking. It doesn't appear self described 'police psychic detectives' offer anything positive over a K9 team with their very dedicated trainers and forensic support personnel. P.S. Great dog photos. Any special K9 support photos anyone?
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Educating the public: Use Police & K9 teams, not psychics

I've invited a few people active in and alongside K9 training, and law enforcement organizations to participate in this thread. There's a solid reason to elevate the vast resources of the JREF to educate the public on the realities of police agencies and their K9 teams --- and private K9 teams involved in missing person cases --- rather than the public continuing to add to the estimated $70 million "police psychic" trade businesses in North America, and far more payments worldwide.
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Old 1st November 2013, 05:47 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post

Do police use psychics, missing person mediums, and TV psychic detectives? No, they use proven and credible K9 police dog units.
Except in Santa Barbara. But, I hear that's ending soon.

I know, you know ...

Thanks, Sherlock, for the report. Of course, trained dogs are just one of the tools police use. Common sense is another. Avoiding use of psychics is evidence that the police sre using common sense.

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Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
More honest, more accurate, and even better looking. It doesn't appear self described 'police psychic detectives' offer anything positive over a K9 team with their very dedicated trainers and forensic support personnel. P.S. Great dog photos. Any special K9 support photos anyone?





NTGP Police Dog, Bella with her seven pups and proud handler, Snr Const David Young. Picture: PATRINA MALONE
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Old 2nd November 2013, 01:31 AM   #23
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Best "detective" resource partners versus "police psychics"

These are absolutely the best photos displayed on the JREF forum over the past decade of what are obviously both present and future skilled, trustworthy, and dedicated "detectives".

They highlight well a valuable resource the public should always turn to first in conjunction with law enforcement teams when a need arises. I'm sure their trainers and team mates won't be led astray by guesswork, exaggerated claims, and often delusions like so many distressed family members who have relied on "police psychic detectives".

Thanks very much for their posts. More anyone?
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Just a few of the breeds active in law enforcement work around the globe.


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Presumably the pink highlights are for undercover work?

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