Satellites Do Not Exist

Brian-M

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You thought the "fake moon landing" people were nuts?

That's nothing compared to this:
Satellites are purely science-fiction. All supposed images of satellites in orbit show fake CGI "satellites" orbiting a fake CGI "ball-Earth." First conceived by Freemason science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke in 1945, they claim satellites became science-fact soon after. This is impossible for many reasons outlined in the following video, however, including the fact the melting points of the metals used in satellites are far lower than the temperature in the "thermosphere" where satellites supposedly are. Satellites, space stations, the Hubble telescope and space travel in general are absolutely the biggest hoaxes of the century, and NASA the most successful propaganda organization in history.


Ugh... I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the entire video yet. The stupidity... it burns.

ETA: Looking around on his YouTube channel, it's clear that he doesn't just think satellites are fake, he's also a flat-earther. He's even created a 90-minute documentary about it.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the International Space Station is visible with the naked eye, isn't it? How would these nuts explain that away?
 
Looking around on his YouTube channel,
No, you couldn't have done that - because YouTube doesn't exist! All those supposed videos on 'YouTube' are actually fake CGI on a fake website! ;)

he doesn't just think satellites are fake, he's also a flat-earther. He's even created a 90-minute documentary about it.
He is a fake. There are no flat-earthers - never have been. All those references to a flat Earth in ancient texts were faked! The Bible is a fake! the Internet is a fake! Everything you see is fake! Even your memories are fake CGI! Reality is fake!
 
No, you couldn't have done that - because YouTube doesn't exist! All those supposed videos on 'YouTube' are actually fake CGI on a fake website! ;)

He is a fake. There are no flat-earthers - never have been. All those references to a flat Earth in ancient texts were faked! The Bible is a fake! the Internet is a fake! Everything you see is fake! Even your memories are fake CGI! Reality is fake!

This must be true - it's a cartoon character stating it!

:)
 
Clarke didn't conceive of satellites, he conceived of artificial geostationary satellites, the existence of which is one of the many evidences that the Earth rotates.
Artificial satellites were first mentions in the SF story "The Brick Moon" from 1869, nearly half a century earlier.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the International Space Station is visible with the naked eye, isn't it? How would these nuts explain that away?
With copious amounts of handwaving, of course.
And the ISS isn't the only Earth-orbiting satellite visible with the unaided eye.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the International Space Station is visible with the naked eye, isn't it?

I was lucky enough to have someone point it out to me a few weeks ago, and watched it track across the sky. It was one of those moments that make me proud to be human.

How would these nuts explain that away?

I don't know, but I suspect that hearing them would be one of those moments that make me a bit embarrassed to be human.

Dave
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the International Space Station is visible with the naked eye, isn't it? How would these nuts explain that away?

My current desktop background is a photograph of the night sky that I took a couple of years ago myself during a meteorite shower which has the trace of a satellite going across (30 seconds exposure or something like that). One of the best night skies I have ever seen in summer, a night that was warm enough to lay on the lawn comfortably to look up.

We saw many more satellites than shooting stars with our naked eyes.
 
My current desktop background is a photograph of the night sky that I took a couple of years ago myself during a meteorite shower which has the trace of a satellite going across (30 seconds exposure or something like that). One of the best night skies I have ever seen in summer, a night that was warm enough to lay on the lawn comfortably to look up.

We saw many more satellites than shooting stars with our naked eyes.

Shill! :mad:
 
Not merely visible, it's one of the brightest objects in the sky, comparable with Venus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station#Sightings_from_Earth

And even brighter are Iridium satellites. Their highly polished reflective antennae focus sunlight on a small area (about 10 km across) that sweeps across the Earth's surface. If one of these sweeps happens to pass over your location, you can see the satellite momentarily appearing very bright; and if you are in the middle of the 10km wide path, they can be as bright as magnitude -9.5. That is over 100 times brighter than Venus (mag -4.6 at its brightest). They are easily visible in during the day if you know the exact time and place to look.

This will give you some idea...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTGVuPr9Epg



I have an app on my smartphone (called "ISS Detector") that predicts both ISS apparitions and Iridium "flares" (as they are called) for my location.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the International Space Station is visible with the naked eye, isn't it? How would these nuts explain that away?
Where there is stupid there is a way (courtesy of the Stundies)

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=720&start=1170#p2395103

Reading on from this post for a couple of pages should fill you in on 'what's really going on'.

According to SimonShack it's a high flying plane, or rather a series of them, appropriately lit with solar powered LED lights and flying at set schedules to fool the masses



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the International Space Station is visible with the naked eye, isn't it? How would these nuts explain that away?

Oh, god... he's made an 40 minute video explaining exactly that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgt3V-2xPFU

Now I'm going to have to watch it because you've gotten me curious. I suppose I can just have the video playing on the TV while I go do something else.
 
You can also see low orbit communication satellites crossing the sky at night, they move rather quickly too.
 
I used to work for Matra Marconi Space before it was amalgamated into Astrium. Off the top of my head I worked on Inmarsat (3 I think), Hotbird 4 & 5, Eutelsat, Artemis, Skynet 4 (D, E & F), Astra (2B I think) and Intelsat. I'm sure there were others.

I don't know why they were paying me and thousands of others to make all this shiny and very expensive, technologically advanced kit if it was all just going to be shelved, not to mention all of the ground stations that monitor and control the spacecraft hoaxes.

I hope it's not a hoax because I and a few others did occasionally write our signatures into aluminium wave-guides on each project using a vibro-peening pen. A bit naughty, but it was done before painting and dent tuning so there was no harm - it's just nice to know that floating up there somewhere is a spacecraft with my unique signature on it. Some I expect will outlive me! Or not if it's a all a terrible hoax.
 
And even brighter are Iridium satellites. Their highly polished reflective antennae focus sunlight on a small area (about 10 km across) that sweeps across the Earth's surface. If one of these sweeps happens to pass over your location, you can see the satellite momentarily appearing very bright; and if you are in the middle of the 10km wide path, they can be as bright as magnitude -9.5. That is over 100 times brighter than Venus (mag -4.6 at its brightest). They are easily visible in during the day if you know the exact time and place to look.

This will give you some idea...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTGVuPr9Epg



I have an app on my smartphone (called "ISS Detector") that predicts both ISS apparitions and Iridium "flares" (as they are called) for my location.

Thought I was seeing a UFO the first time I saw that. They go from super bright to too dark to see. Bizarre.
 
Finally got around to watching the rest of the Satellites Do Not Exist video.

In the part I'd already watched before I posted it he was talking about how the temperatures in the thermosphere are equivalent to a blast furnace, and there's no way satellites could survive the heat.

I'd already figured out the solution to that while watching the video. The atmosphere at LEO is virtually nothing, it's a vacuum, so it'd have an incredibly low thermal conductivity. The rate of heat being absorbed from bumping into the occasional gas atom would be far less than the rate of heat being radiated away, so the satellites wouldn't heat up.

It turns out he wasn't ignorant of this explanation, about half way through the video he quotes some source which gives basically the same explanation, which also mentions that a regular thermostat would read a temperature far below zero.

But he completely fails to understand the explanation, and thinks it's a contradiction that the temperature of the gas at that altitude would be as hot as a blast furnace, and yet the effective temperature would be below zero because it's a vacuum.

He goes on for a bit demanding to know how, if that were true, it would be possible for us to feel the heat of the sun. He doesn't seem to understand the difference between heat transfer by direct contact and heat transfer by radiation.

What really blew my mind was his claim that rockets can't possibly work because there'd be nothing for the rockets to push against in space. Well, at least he understands that "every action has an equal and opposite reaction", but apparently the concept of "reaction mass" is alien to him.

According to him, GPS is actually done by phone towers triangulating your position, and satellite dishes are a scam, and are actually picking up the same broadcast TV signals your regular antenna can pick up. Oh, and satellite phones are just regular phones with a bigger antenna, allowing them to connect to distant phone towers that are too far away for regular phones to reach.

He goes on for a bit about how the internet and phone communications are done by fibre-optic cable, not by satellites, as if that were somehow relevant. He doesn't seem to realize that a single strand of optical fibre would have a far greater bandwidth than an entire satellite, and that laying a cable containing hundreds of strands of optic fibre across long distances is a far more cost-effective way of transmitting vast quantities of information than by satellite.

He has heard that satellites are visible to the naked eye, and he counters this by showing a brief video clip of the sky, and demands to know where the satellites are, saying that all he can see are stars and planets.

But I noticed that in the brief clip of the sky he shows, one of the "stars" is moving pretty fast relative to the other stars, and is almost certainly a satellite.

Not that he'd accept it as a satellite even if we pointed it out to him, because he also talks about how a satellite the size of a bus would be too small to see from a distance of over 90 miles away. He doesn't seem to realize that it'd also be shining brilliantly due to reflecting the light of the sun, and would look a lot like a star or a planet to the naked eye.

I think I'm going to need some time to rest and recover before I watch the one about the ISS being a hoax.

So... is he serious or just looking for attention ?

Oh, I'm pretty sure he's completely serious.
 
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...satellite dishes are a scam, and are actually picking up the same broadcast TV signals your regular antenna can pick up. ...

How does he explain that you need to point the dish towards a fairly well-defined direction in the sky, and that this direction doesn't vary much if you move a hundred miles? And that you receive different bundles of programs from different regions in the sky, sometimes with programs in a foreign language that land-based broadcasts in your region don't carry?
 
I'll admit, I haven't watched the video, but I have a very hard time believing that this guy is serious. It's 2015, and everyone seems to be willing to do just about anything for their 15 minutes-whether it's eating bull testicles on Fear Factor, being a joke contestant on American Idol, or even looking like an idiot on Youtube. I've got to believe this guy probably had some inkling of doubt about a couple of these subjects, got some attention from it, and decided to just pick up the ball and run like hell.
 
What really blew my mind was his claim that rockets can't possibly work because there'd be nothing for the rockets to push against in space. Well, at least he understands that "every action has an equal and opposite reaction", but apparently the concept of "reaction mass" is alien to him.


Is this the same guy who earned a bunch of Stundie nominations from this claim, or is this a relatively common piece of nuttery?
 
He's got this backwards. CGI is a hoax. When Steven Spielberg wanted to make a movie about dinosaurs, he found out that computer technology just wasn't advanced enough. So he commissioning a team of scientists to grow dinosaurs and he used them in his film. Then he proclaimed huge (impossible?) leaps in computer technology as a means to increase the value of Industrial Light & Magic stock prices. Spielberg made huge sums of money off his trades.

Oh, one more thing. He is a joo.
 
ETA: Looking around on his YouTube channel, it's clear that he doesn't just think satellites are fake, he's also a flat-earther. He's even created a 90-minute documentary about it.

That he was a flat-earther was fairly evident by the whole "satellites are fake" thing. Does he think the planet is supported by four elephants on the back of a turtle, as well?
 
Just watched the ISS hoax one. That video was done by someone else. The person who made this video thinks you can have satellites, but anything coming down from earth must burn up in re-entry, and that anybody going to space would be killed by radiation, and so all manned space travel is a hoax.

According to this video, there is a dummy ISS in orbit, but it's just an empty tin-can and all the footage from space is faked with aircraft in parabolic trajectories, and also on-stage using blue-screens with edited-out suspension wires and CGI, and spacewalks are faked with water tanks.
 
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That he was a flat-earther was fairly evident by the whole "satellites are fake" thing. Does he think the planet is supported by four elephants on the back of a turtle, as well?

Exactly- if you are (or claim to be) a flat-Earther, then there cannot be satellites. Simple.
 
Back to the Satellites Are A Hoax Video:

Is this the same guy who earned a bunch of Stundie nominations from this claim, or is this a relatively common piece of nuttery?

I honestly have no idea.

How does he explain that you need to point the dish towards a fairly well-defined direction in the sky, and that this direction doesn't vary much if you move a hundred miles? And that you receive different bundles of programs from different regions in the sky, sometimes with programs in a foreign language that land-based broadcasts in your region don't carry?


He doesn't. Here's what the video says (via on-screen text, as this part of the video isn't spoken):

notice it is called sky or cable tv
not satellite or space tv

digital is analogue radio signal
digitized compressed and so
able to carry more information

you can still use your old analogue
Arial to pick up digital

or you can be conned into paying
for a satellite tv package

all they did is put a dish up which
picks up digital same as old arial

is not picking up signals from satellites
they do not exist​

(Text above is exactly as it appears in the video from 28:38 to 30:10, with no changes to spelling, punctuation, grammar or capitalization.)
 
I'll admit, I haven't watched the video, but I have a very hard time believing that this guy is serious. It's 2015, and everyone seems to be willing to do just about anything for their 15 minutes-whether it's eating bull testicles on Fear Factor, being a joke contestant on American Idol, or even looking like an idiot on Youtube. I've got to believe this guy probably had some inkling of doubt about a couple of these subjects, got some attention from it, and decided to just pick up the ball and run like hell.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

And then I read this:

He's got this backwards. CGI is a hoax. When Steven Spielberg wanted to make a movie about dinosaurs, he found out that computer technology just wasn't advanced enough. So he commissioning a team of scientists to grow dinosaurs and he used them in his film. Then he proclaimed huge (impossible?) leaps in computer technology as a means to increase the value of Industrial Light & Magic stock prices. Spielberg made huge sums of money off his trades.

Oh, one more thing. He is a joo.

And now I'm like, who knows? Right?
 
I'll admit, I haven't watched the video, but I have a very hard time believing that this guy is serious. It's 2015, and everyone seems to be willing to do just about anything for their 15 minutes-whether it's eating bull testicles on Fear Factor, being a joke contestant on American Idol, or even looking like an idiot on Youtube. I've got to believe this guy probably had some inkling of doubt about a couple of these subjects, got some attention from it, and decided to just pick up the ball and run like hell.

Sadly I suspect that he is serious.

I remember we had a poster on here a few years ago who was adamant that the earth could not be rotating because we would all be blown over by the wind.

At first it came across as a wind up (wind not wind), but after many here tried to educate the poster with science it became apparent that he desperately needed to believe in a geocentric model of the universe because that was part of his fundamental religious belief. All modern science and scientists were a ruse to deny his faith.

I suspect mr faked satellites has the same issue and nothing will convince him that he is wrong because to accept that would be to overturn his religious faith.

Best just to move on and leave him to his little corner of the internets.
 

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