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Old 17th September 2015, 01:02 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
It was a joke cashing in on the frequenly-made comment that the Liberal Party won't change much just because it's got a new head.

#explainthejoke
So will it just be business as usual but with a new name?
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Old 17th September 2015, 01:21 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I think arthwollipot meant that the threads are not so different.
Yes, that's what I thought too.

OTOH, if Tunbull's style (forget about policies) turns out to be radically different to Abbot's, then this could be a different type of thread.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
So will it just be business as usual but with a new name?
A new leader. For the Liberal Party, I mean. Same thread, different title. We'll all still be whinging about how the government is screwing people over. Turnbull has already announced that he won't be changing Liberal Party policy on climate change, refugees or gay marriage. Those are the only three issues I really care about anyway.
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Least productive government since 1971

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Churning out fewer new laws is actually a good thing.
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This is how the Australian leadership spill was explained in animated form on Taiwanese TV

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Old 17th September 2015, 04:08 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Churning out fewer new laws is actually a good thing.
It's a sign that the government is not making improvements to the existing legislation.

New legislation also includes updates to existing legislation. Both State and Federal Liberal parties have campaigned on legislative reform in the form of reducing red tape.

Not to mention the fact that we need new legislation dealing with the Internet, such as updated privacy, property and taxation laws that did not predict the emergence of social media, peer-to-peer networks and e-Commerce.

Oh and emergent economic problems such as climate change, foreign ownership of agricultural land, energy, and the decline of the manufacturing sector.

So there were plenty of things that Tony's cabinet could have fixed but being typical conservatives they failed to make progress.

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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Churning out fewer new laws is actually a good thing.
I disagree.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Indeed. I wonder what Tone will do now. Surely resign and take up, what? His previous occupation was allegedly a journalist. News Ltd hack? He'd be in good company. Some conservative Think Tank job?

Whatever, as a person of influence, he's finished.
"Think" and "Tony Abbott" don't go together in the same sentence. In fact, not in the same building.
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Old 17th September 2015, 10:08 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by JamesXXVI View Post
It's a sign that the government is not making improvements to the existing legislation.
What makes you think that governments make improvements to existing legislation?

Making new laws is an end unto itself as far as politicians are concerned. That is the reason for their existence.
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So apparently the libs have had massive math fail on the free trade agreements.

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/how...14-gjlv06.html


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Old 17th September 2015, 10:00 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
What makes you think that governments make improvements to existing legislation?
If's trivially obvious that they do.

The amendments and updates of existing legislation are evidence of that.

Were you not aware of that?


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Making new laws is an end unto itself as far as politicians are concerned. That is the reason for their existence.
Nonsense.

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Originally Posted by JamesXXVI View Post
If's trivially obvious that they do.

The amendments and updates of existing legislation are evidence of that.
Governments always make good laws? Wow. Next you will be saying that politicians act in the public interest.
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A good take on the spill:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-it...18-gjq1d0.html

Note the "Credlin special".

Perhaps this is one of those "bitter character assassinations" he compained about, but it rings true to me.
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Old 18th September 2015, 08:29 AM   #57
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Governments always make good laws? Wow. Next you will be saying that politicians act in the public interest.
You must be reading-impaired.

I did not say--and did not imply--that governments always make good laws.

Governments have plenty of reason to enact a large amount of new legislation; our current laws are heavily flawed or outdated in may respects. It cannot possibly be a good thing for a government to pass relatively little legislation, because it means that they are either satisfied with the status quo or they are too incompetent to make improvements.
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Amendments and updates of existing legislation are not evidence that governments make improvements to existing legislation. Your presumption that all amendments to legislation are improvements (or good laws) is not justified.
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Amendments and updates of existing legislation are not evidence that governments make improvements to existing legislation. Your presumption that all amendments to legislation are improvements (or good laws) is not justified.
Where did he say that?
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Old 18th September 2015, 02:58 PM   #60
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it's funny, left wingers like myself could see themselves voting for liberals with him in charge..... but.....a lot of serious liberal voters are hoping mad.
Speaking personally Abbott made my skin crawl...
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Where did he say that?
In post #54.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
In post #54.
I believe you've misinterpreted what he's trying to say.

Saying that it is beneficial for government to be creating new laws, is not the same as saying that all new laws created are necessarily good.
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Hastie wins Canning by-election

As expected, turfing Tony Abbott out and replacing him Malcolm Turnbull has proved to be a godsend for Andrew Hastie who was previously expected to win the Canning by-election only by a narrow margin (if at all). The expected swing of 10% has been reduced to less than 7% and given him a comfortable victory.

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With 52 of 56 polling places returned, Mr Hastie held 54.95 per cent of the two-party preferred vote to Labor's Matt Keogh on 45.05, a swing of 6.86 per cent to Labor.
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As expected, turfing Tony Abbott out and replacing him Malcolm Turnbull has proved to be a godsend for Andrew Hastie who was previously expected to win the Canning by-election only by a narrow margin (if at all). The expected swing of 10% has been reduced to less than 7% and given him a comfortable victory.


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Not exactly a massive bump, though. Unless the real swing was going to be bigger.
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And Abetz is out, and Hockey is out, and we at last have a Minister for Women who is *gasp* a woman!
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And Abetz is out, and Hockey is out, and we at last have a Minister for Women who is *gasp* a woman!
Was she given the job based on merit?
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Turnbull is a garden-variety Tory who is centrist on more issues than the Abbott types. If the honeymoon period lasts into next year we could get a March election.
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Turnbull is a garden-variety Tory who is centrist on more issues than the Abbott types. If the honeymoon period lasts into next year we could get a March election.
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If the honeymoon period lasts into next year we could get a March election.
If that were the case then Turnbull would probably have not made waves with the cabinet revamp.

The clean sweep suggests that Turnbull will need time to establish his new look cabinet before going to the polls.
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If that were the case then Turnbull would probably have not made waves with the cabinet revamp.

The clean sweep suggests that Turnbull will need time to establish his new look cabinet before going to the polls.
Not sure at all. Turnbull has a double dissolution trigger already. He'll pull it when most expedient.
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A June election would be ideal. That way the new Senators would take up their jobs almost immediately instead of waiting for a year.
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Abbott will go quietly and won't be back stabbing anyone.....

Did you get that promise in writing?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-2...-spill/6793608

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Speaking afterwards, Mr Morrison told Macquarie radio: "I didn't understand why he wanted me to pick a fight with Joe Hockey and throw him under a bus."

It is a charge Mr Abbott denied in a beach-side interview with Sydney's Daily Telegraph newspaper.

"Not true, not true," he said.

He also refuted Mr Morrison's version of events, including that he warned Mr Abbott's office about a possible push against his leadership prior to Monday's spill.


"I said on Friday to the Prime Minister's office that I thought things were pretty febrile and they should be on high alert," Mr Morrison told Macquarie Radio.

But Mr Abbott hit back on that claim too.

"Scott never warned, never warned anyone, certainly never warned me," Mr Abbott said.

"I spoke to him on Friday [before the spill], not a hint of a warning.

"So, I'm afraid Scott badly misled people. He badly misled people. I was doing all I could to save the Government, that's what I was doing."
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Early election as soon as this change to Senate voting passes.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-2...voting/6794928

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Liberal Democratic senator David Leyonhjelm says the crossbench will be at "war" with the Federal Government if it changes the way senators are elected.

It comes after the new Special Minister of State Mal Brough revealed he hoped to have changes to the Senate voting rules in place before the next election.

Mr Brough argues the current system, which has seen eight minor party senators elected, is complicated, does not always reflect a voter's intentions, and has been "gamed".
I'm taking WAG here but I would think Labor will vote with the Liberals.
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Early election as soon as this change to Senate voting passes.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-2...voting/6794928



I'm taking WAG here but I would think Labor will vote with the Liberals.
And Labor should. Having the likes of Leyonhjlem, Lambie, the Brick with Eyes, Wang and the other Independent idiots makes the Upper House a laughing stock.
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And Labor should. Having the likes of Leyonhjlem, Lambie, the Brick with Eyes, Wang and the other Independent idiots makes the Upper House a laughing stock.
Oh yes, because people like Cory Bernardi, Michaela Cash, Eric Abetz, and a host of other factional riff-raff and nobodies from both sides really bring a huge deal of gravitas to the place.
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I'm taking WAG here but I would think Labor will vote with the Liberals.
I'm not so sure about that. From the articles I have read about this, it appears that Labor fears that voting reform in the Senate would be more advantageous to the Liberals than Labor.

I can't see it myself but presumably their numbers people have been all over it.
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I'm not so sure about that. From the articles I have read about this, it appears that Labor fears that voting reform in the Senate would be more advantageous to the Liberals than Labor.

I can't see it myself but presumably their numbers people have been all over it.
You are correct.
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Oh yes, because people like Cory Bernardi, Michaela Cash, Eric Abetz, and a host of other factional riff-raff and nobodies from both sides really bring a huge deal of gravitas to the place.
Christ will you stop this idiotic stalking of me? I was talking about independents. I've previously posted about stupid politicians of other parties. Grow up.
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Settle down, mate.
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Christ will you stop this idiotic stalking of me? I was talking about independents. I've previously posted about stupid politicians of other parties. Grow up.
Replying to you in 2 threads in the same section in 2 days isn't stalking. Perhaps the person making personal attacks and strange accusations is the one who should grow up. Food for thought.
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