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Old 6th May 2016, 09:05 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
The election date will be Saturday 4 2 July.
(ftfy)

That's assuming Turnbull goes to the GG on time and the GG approves the double dissolution.

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That means the Government has until 14 July to call the election. Or is that hold the election? The wording appears to be ambiguous.
I think what's happened is that I wasn't very clear. I was saying you have until May 11 to be able to dissolve parliament before the 6 month limit kicks in. The House of Representatives first sat on Nov. 12 2013, so it expires on Nov. 11 of this year. May 11 is the 6 month end limit. So we'll find out by Wednesday what kind of election we'll be having.
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Old 8th May 2016, 12:48 AM   #282
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Well that's all the speculation out the window then. Double dissolution confirmed and election date set for July 2.
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Old 8th May 2016, 01:20 AM   #283
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How does the headline go?
Finally, we have the chance to kick these bastards out!
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Old 8th May 2016, 01:41 AM   #284
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Originally Posted by Damien Evans View Post
How does the headline go?
Finally, we have the chance to kick these bastards out!
We have the chance, but will we?
Are there enough swinging voters that are fed up with the LNP?
I think people think that the Coalition have their interest at heart. So they will probably be voted back in.
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Old 8th May 2016, 01:53 AM   #285
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Originally Posted by Damien Evans View Post
How does the headline go?
Finally, we have the chance to kick these bastards out!


Well, we could recycle an effective theme song from '07:

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Originally Posted by jenspen View Post
Well, we could recycle an effective theme song from '07:

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Only problem if we vote these bastards out we also vote some other bastards back in.
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Well that's all the speculation out the window then. Double dissolution confirmed and election date set for July 2.
I'm shocked!

Who would possibly have expected this to happen (apart from everybody)?
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Fairfax-Ipsos poll: First Turnbull budget gets election 2016 off to a shaky start

Apparently the worst-received budget since the 2014 Abbott-Hockey budget.

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Only 39 per cent of those surveyed in the Fairfax-Ipsos poll conducted between Thursday and Saturday said they approved of the budget. Forty six per cent disapproved. The numbers are the worst since the 2014 budget, of which only 33 approved and 65 per cent disapproved.

Even Peter Costello's second "horror" budget in 1997 wasn't as unpopular. Only 36 per cent of the population disapproved of the second Howard-Costello budget.
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Old 11th May 2016, 07:46 AM   #289
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Only problem if we vote these bastards out we also vote some other bastards back in.
Yes but they're slightly less bastardly.
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Originally Posted by Damien Evans View Post
Yes but they're slightly less bastardly.
Is that like slightly less pregnant? In other words they might start out slightly better, but after a few years they are just as bad.
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Old 19th May 2016, 12:35 PM   #291
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Well, what do you all think about this AFP investigating the ALP about the NBN leaks in the middle of an election campaign.
Do you think it is politically motivated. If so it is a very worrying step into a police state.
Do you think the Coalition/NBN company have put the AFP onto this at a time convenient to them.
It may be time to look very critically at the Coalition for the sake of freedom and democracy in Australia.
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Old 22nd May 2016, 09:48 AM   #292
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It's a political action, even if the AFP were "acting independently". The only reason why they wanted to plug those leaks was because the documents make Turnbull look incompetent.

I'm just amazed he hasn't gone "Tony made me do it".
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It would look bad for Turnbull if no one is charged before the election.
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Old 22nd May 2016, 05:18 PM   #294
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It already looks pretty bad for Turnbull.

But it's still early yet.

ETA: Sorry, I should have said that it looks pretty bad for the LNC. Turnbull's still ahead as "Preferred Prime Minister" for whatever good that's worth.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
It already looks pretty bad for Turnbull.

But it's still early yet.

ETA: Sorry, I should have said that it looks pretty bad for the LNC. Turnbull's still ahead as "Preferred Prime Minister" for whatever good that's worth.
Both versions are correct
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And the massive approval *enjoyed by the Prime Minister in the early months after he replaced Tony Abbott last September has been wiped out, with Mr Turnbull’s net satisfaction rating now the same as for the Opposition Leader, at -12 points.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...5016ee88f856f9

The trouble with saying things to be popular is that they often can be shown to be ridiculous. For example saying that refugees coming to Australia will be unemployed and taking jobs from Australians is contradicting yourself. Not to mention factually incorrect. This is something the Liberals are finding out.
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Old 25th May 2016, 02:59 AM   #296
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Bill can't escape Julia's legacy

Trish Crossin is ropeable

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...24-gp2xu6.html
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Old 29th May 2016, 07:39 AM   #297
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Well the debate was interesting.

Im actually quite surprised how well Shorten did. Seems Labor have a much broader, rounded message (although a little short on detail), as opposed to the LNP's "big business at the cost of everything else" message.

I gave it to Shorten by a fairly wide margin.

Thoughts?
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Old 29th May 2016, 10:10 AM   #298
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Thoughts?
You seem to be the only person in the world that called the debate "interesting".

The political pundits gave the victory narrowly to Shorten in what was seen to be a lack luster debate. Even The Australian shared this view (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/fede...8190a8230fb7cd). Apparently they were so determined to have a safe format that when one leader spoke, the other leader's mike was turned off .

Of course, few people will be able to make a personal judgement about it. Not one of the major networks telecast the debate. Even the ABC's News Radio preferred to broadcast the BBC World Service instead of the debate.
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If anyone wants to watch the debate, it is available on iView.
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I find it interesting because I fully expected shorten to fail hard.
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Shorten's been getting better since he decided to defy my earlier prediction and take the party to the election. I'm actually slightly impressed. I no longer have justification for making the "Bill Who?" joke.
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Old 29th May 2016, 07:24 PM   #302
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Shorten's been getting better since he decided to defy my earlier prediction and take the party to the election. I'm actually slightly impressed. I no longer have justification for making the "Bill Who?" joke.
Agreed. Actually makes me feel a little dirty.
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Old 17th June 2016, 02:18 AM   #303
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Debate on facebook

Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten have just faced each other in a public debate on facebook. It was conducted on new.com.au's facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/news.com.au...1702629190440/).

It was slightly less sanitized than the debate on foxtel but no really big suprises (except that at one point, Bill Shorten got to urge viewers to click the "like" button if they wanted fibre to their homes). An audience of 30 people selected from marginal electorates gave the debate to Shorten by a 17 - 7 margin although the commentators only gave Shorten a marginal victory.
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Did not see it. I am on Facebook but don't use it much.
Let's see how Q&A goes on Monday with Harbourside Mansion.
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Did not see it. I am on Facebook but don't use it much.
Maybe that's what Turnbull was hoping for. Incumbents have little to gain and a lot to lose by agreeing to debate the opposition (thereby giving them free publicity).

Anyhow, the link is there if you get bored.
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Old 26th June 2016, 09:34 PM   #306
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Brexit, Brexit, Brexit, that is all we are hearing lately.
There is an election here on Saturday.
Do you think everyone is bored silly with this election and Turnbull will get over the line easily?
Or a hung parliament?
Or Labor will just get in?
I have a psychic feeling from my spirit guide that the Indis will play a big part if not make the reps interesting and the senate hostile to Turnbull.
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Turnbull won't win easily. Nor will Labor win in it's own right. I predict Greens/independents will hold the balance and it's anyone's guess who will be able to negotiate a stable partnership. I think Labor and the Greens will be the biggest faction, and whether they convince the probably loony independents is the issue. I can't see the Coalition forming government with the Greens.
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Turnbull won't win easily. Nor will Labor win in it's own right.
I can't be bothered digging up links ATM but media reports suggest the repeat of an old story. The Libs will suffer a big swing against it but not in the marginal electorates. It appears that many voters are aware when it is safe to lodge a protest vote (when their electorate is a Labor or Liberal stronghold) and when their vote could lead to a change in government.

Turnbull's miscalculation is that it matters nought in the Senate where Senators in each state are elected by proportional representation. Even if the micro-parties miss out, the "big two" are likely to see their representation reduced by protest voters.
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The polls are saying a win to the Coalition. The polls are saying that the Labor vote in the marginals are not high enough to get over the line.
I think this election is a big unknown. Maybe the polls will be wrong and the slightly rusted on and swingers will vote for more Indis.
Maybe there will be a big protest vote.
I would like to see a hung parliament, which I think is potentially very democratic.
I would like to see a big representation of non Labor, non Coalition in the senate.
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I would like to see a hung parliament, which I think is potentially very democratic.
I would like to see a big representation of non Labor, non Coalition in the senate.
Well I wouldn't. History shows Australia's most economic successful periods in recent decades have been under Hawke/Keating and Howard. Periods of electoral stability and manageable Upper Houses. May just be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
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Well I wouldn't. History shows Australia's most economic successful periods in recent decades have been under Hawke/Keating and Howard. Periods of electoral stability and manageable Upper Houses. May just be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
The Drover's Dog could have led Australia successfully in Howard's time due to the rivers of gold flowing from the mining boom. And look what he did with that windfall, middle class welfare and a massive structural deficit in the budget. Plus workchoices when he had control of the senate.
Hawke and Keating had to negotiate their reforms with the opposition.
So I feel a parliament where the party hacks do as they are told, and any crazy extreme right wing or wingnut left legislation gets through. is not the way to go.
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Yeah, my crystal ball is predicting a big win for the Greens/Independents/Xenophones, just because everyone is so bloody sick and tired of all the crap coming from the two major parties.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Yeah, my crystal ball is predicting a big win for the Greens/Independents/Xenophones, just because everyone is so bloody sick and tired of all the crap coming from the two major parties.
What does your spirit guides tell you.
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Yeah, my crystal ball is predicting a big win for the Greens/Independents/Xenophones, just because everyone is so bloody sick and tired of all the crap coming from the two major parties.
If this is the case, how do you think a government will be formed? I'm not being cute, it is a serious question.
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If this is the case, how do you think a government will be formed? I'm not being cute, it is a serious question.
With difficulty.

Seriously, I have no idea. Smarter people than I will need to make those decisions.
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Both labor and Coalition if I read what they are saying correct are very dishonest and irresponsible when it comes to a hung parliament.
They both say they will not negotiate with the Greens or Independents.
Well if they don't negotiate they can't govern, and the last thing the electorate wants is another election.
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Both labor and Coalition if I read what they are saying correct are very dishonest and irresponsible when it comes to a hung parliament.
They both say they will not negotiate with the Greens or Independents.
Well if they don't negotiate they can't govern, and the last thing the electorate wants is another election.
You are absolutely correct. The negotiations are now underway without doubt.
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That's what I would expect.

Both parties are hubrising hard, assuming that they will be able to form a majority government on their own.
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Been called twice in two days with a machine saying "This is a political opinion poll..." And I am on a do not call register. Not that makes any difference.
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Been called twice in two days with a machine saying "This is a political opinion poll..." And I am on a do not call register. Not that makes any difference.
I am on a do not call as well. But I have been getting many political calls, I am in a swinging seat.
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