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Old 14th November 2015, 08:25 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by steve s View Post
What exactly would he bomb? They don't have air force bases or aircraft carriers. He'd have to carpet bomb entire towns to get rid of them.

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I think the latter is exactly what he means.

We could win the war, the question has always been how far are we prepared to go to do so, and how much collateral damage are we prepared to countenance in the process.
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Old 14th November 2015, 11:24 AM   #82
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What gets to me how many support Trump simply because he is "Anti Establishment".
To support somebody mainly because he is "Anti Establishment" regardless of his policies or what kind of guy he is (and ,yes, that is important in a president) is an act of supreme stupidity. Sort of burning down a house to get rid of mice.
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Trump's campaign will not end with a bang, but with a whimper. He will just slide downward as another candidate takes the lead. Pundits will analyze the hell out of it so they can say "Here! Here is the thing that did him in" but it will merely be post hoc fallacy.

Of course I could be wrong about how it ends, but it will end.
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Trump uses the Paris attacks as a pro-gun advertisement.
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Old 14th November 2015, 04:58 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
Trump's campaign will not end with a bang, but with a whimper. He will just slide downward as another candidate takes the lead. Pundits will analyze the hell out of it so they can say "Here! Here is the thing that did him in" but it will merely be post hoc fallacy.

Of course I could be wrong about how it ends, but it will end.
Nah. His campaign for the nomination will end with his nomination. His campaign for the presidency will end with his election as POTUS. It's his time. The stars are aligned. Just an expression, lest someone interpret that as meaning that I believe in astrology.
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Nah. His campaign for the nomination will end with his nomination. His campaign for the presidency will end with his election as POTUS. It's his time. The stars are aligned. Just an expression, lest someone interpret that as meaning that I believe in astrology.
You sound serious.
Have you started thinking about avatars for me if you win the bet?
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Trumps recent tirades are making me wonder if he's mentally stable.
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Mentally stable or not, I wouldn't trust him in the white house. POTUS is among the most demanding jobs and requires a multitude of decisions and is imaginably a huge load of stress both from the pressures of the job and the constant thick skin required to get through constant criticisms of policy or an expectation to do things right. Trump has usually failed at the point of keeping a thick skin and he's mainly pulling at populist rhetoric without the slightest registering of how reality would play out. But whereas I criticized Obama on this in 2008 because it was largely idealist policy he likely knew wouldn't get passed so easily, Trump just plain doesn't seem to know what he's doing... or rather I think it difficult to understand if he'd actually do it given his penchant to change positions on a dime.

Irrespective of what it is, his argument boils simply down to rally the populist, anti-establishment far-right. I don't mind being anti-establishment, but his populist rhetoric leaves much to be skeptical about and he has a foreign policy lean to match.
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Old 14th November 2015, 08:23 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
You sound serious.
Have you started thinking about avatars for me if you win the bet?
Yeah, I have done a bit of counting my chickens before they're hatched in that regard.
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Yeah, I have done a bit of counting my chickens before they're hatched in that regard.
I hope you pick Trump With A Topknot.
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Slowly, slowly the raison d'être of this thread picks up steam.
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And meanwhile, Trump is polling at 42%.

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I hope you pick Trump With A Topknot.
At first I thought that that avatar would be embarrassing, but given that I view Trump as a clown, I think I would be happy with it.

But it is not that much of an issue for me, because I am going to win.
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Old 15th November 2015, 07:44 PM   #93
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At first I thought that that avatar would be embarrassing, but given that I view Trump as a clown, I think I would be happy with it.

But it is not that much of an issue for me, because I am going to win.
Out of curiosity, who do you think has a good chance of winning the nomination? Rubio? Cruz? And why do you think that this person will surge past Trump?
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Mentally stable or not, I wouldn't trust him in the white house. POTUS is among the most demanding jobs and requires a multitude of decisions and is imaginably a huge load of stress both from the pressures of the job and the constant thick skin required to get through constant criticisms of policy or an expectation to do things right. Trump has usually failed at the point of keeping a thick skin and he's mainly pulling at populist rhetoric without the slightest registering of how reality would play out. But whereas I criticized Obama on this in 2008 because it was largely idealist policy he likely knew wouldn't get passed so easily, Trump just plain doesn't seem to know what he's doing... or rather I think it difficult to understand if he'd actually do it given his penchant to change positions on a dime.

Irrespective of what it is, his argument boils simply down to rally the populist, anti-establishment far-right. I don't mind being anti-establishment, but his populist rhetoric leaves much to be skeptical about and he has a foreign policy lean to match.
There are some people who are so violently anti establishment that they will support ANYBODY who is Anti Establishement. Extremely dangerous ,in my opinion.
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Curious if you think the GOP public sees Trump as a good bet against the ISIS threat? Do many people think blowing up oil fields is a viable tactic?
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At first I thought that that avatar would be embarrassing, but given that I view Trump as a clown, I think I would be happy with it.

But it is not that much of an issue for me, because I am going to win.
Probably Cruz (who I think can beat Clinton). As Carson and the others drop out, their points will end up with someone like Cruz. Also as we get closer to Iowa, more people will realize that when it comes to politics, Trump is all hat and no cattle.
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Curious if you think the GOP public sees Trump as a good bet against the ISIS threat? Do many people think blowing up oil fields is a viable tactic?
I know you weren't asking me, but yes, they view Trump favorably in this regard because of his outspoken resolve to keep Syrians out of the country. Especially after the Paris attacks, this will set him apart from all other candidates. Whether or not blowing up oil fields is a viable tactic is irrelevant to his support if the public has the impression that Trump will do the most to keep them safe at home. Cynical as it may sound, Trump is going to see a big jump in support as a result of the Paris attacks.

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Probably Cruz (who I think can beat Clinton). As Carson and the others drop out, their points will end up with someone like Cruz. Also as we get closer to Iowa, more people will realize that when it comes to politics, Trump is all hat and no cattle.
See, I don't understand why you're so sure that most of Carson's support won't go to Trump. I think it will. And that's assuming that he even drops out of the race. Have you considered the possibility that nobody drops out? That would mean that Trump wins, if things stayed as they are currently.
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A lot of months to go, kids. Hang on to your Popsicles, we're headed toward the bumpy bit.
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See, I don't understand why you're so sure that most of Carson's support won't go to Trump. I think it will. And that's assuming that he even drops out of the race. Have you considered the possibility that nobody drops out? That would mean that Trump wins, if things stayed as they are currently.
And that same difference of opinion is why horse racing exists.

It is a long way until Super Tuesday (March 1). Almost anything could happen.
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What is scarists about our Trump worshipper here is that he seemingly approves fully of Trump's bigotry.
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Now Trump is talking about closing Mosques,and his new campaign advisor, a recycled Tea Party activists, called Islam Evil.
Maybe Trump has decided that Muslims are more politically lucrative to Hate then Hispanics.
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Now Trump is talking about closing Mosques,and his new campaign advisor, a recycled Tea Party activists, called Islam Evil.
Maybe Trump has decided that Muslims are more politically lucrative to Hate then Hispanics.
I predict he will suggest we close our border with Islam.
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I predict he will suggest we close our border with Islam.
and he'll make the Islamians pay for it!
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Trump's racism otherism toward Mexicans, Chinese, and Muslims will play well to the R base. In the general, not as much, but still far too much.

BTW, and OT, did Ben Carson ever come up with the big reveal of why he KNOWS China has troops in Syria, or did Paris save his bacon?
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Trumps recent tirades are making me wonder if he's mentally stable.
His 90 Minute rant in Iowa last week certainly reminded me of a certain guy in Germany in the 20 and 30's who wore a little mustache..
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Trump's racism otherism toward Mexicans, Chinese, and Muslims will play well to the R base. In the general, not as much, but still far too much.

BTW, and OT, did Ben Carson ever come up with the big reveal of why he KNOWS China has troops in Syria, or did Paris save his bacon?
Toward a protion of the Republican Base. The Business Base of the GOP hates Trump,because they are businessmen,and know how disasterous economically Trump's hatred of the Chinese and Muslims would be.
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His 90 Minute rant in Iowa last week certainly reminded me of a certain guy in Germany in the 20 and 30's who wore a little mustache..
It is wrong to compare Trump to Hitler because Hitler actually served in the military.

All kidding aside, I skipped around the speech and I Did not see anything Hitlerish (Hitleresque ?)at all. Can you be more specific as to why the speech reminded you of Hitler.
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His 90 Minute rant in Iowa last week certainly reminded me of a certain guy in Germany in the 20 and 30's who wore a little mustache..
Not as good. I vote Castro instead.
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Not as good. I vote Castro instead.
Your're right. Hitler never would have had all the pauses and floundering around that that Trump did.
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It is wrong to compare Trump to Hitler because Hitler actually served in the military.

All kidding aside, I skipped around the speech and I Did not see anything Hitlerish (Hitleresque ?)at all. Can you be more specific as to why the speech reminded you of Hitler.
To me, it's the blaming of all the country's problems on "others" -- Mexicans, immigrants in general, China, etc. Hitler rode that horse right to the top of the heap.
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It is wrong to compare Trump to Hitler because Hitler actually served in the military.
And Trump went to a military boarding school which is essentially the same thing.
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His 90 Minute rant in Iowa last week certainly reminded me of a certain guy in Germany in the 20 and 30's who wore a little mustache..
Hugo Chavez is a close match to his style if you replace American Imperialism with immigration as the core issue. Hitler's regime wiped out 6 million Jews in concentration camps and gas chambers. Comparing Trump to that extreme is therefore a stretch
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Hugo Chavez is a close match to his style if you replace American Imperialism with immigration as the core issue. Hitler's regime wiped out 6 million Jews in concentration camps and gas chambers. Comparing Trump to that extreme is therefore a stretch
Actually, some 20% were just executed on the spot.
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And Trump went to a military boarding school which is essentially the same thing.
Not really. I seem to recall a World War going on.

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And Trump went to a military boarding school which is essentially the same thing.

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Not really.
The answer was sarcasm based on a line in Trump's latest book.
His experience at military school led him to say that he "always felt like [he] was in the military." He also asserted that hehad "dealt with those people" in school.
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To get back to the topic, I think the Trump wave has clearly crested. He is saying more and more ridiculous things because attention is like oxygen to his campaign, even if it's negative attention. I think he'll stay in until the convention, since he isn't really limited financially, and try to leverage his remaining support into a Cabinet position or something. Actually, I think that's the plan for a lot of these candidates. That's why you don't see many of them dropping out no matter how bad their poll numbers are. If someone is twenty delegates short of a majority, and you have twenty-five... surely no one believes that horses wouldn't be traded in such a situation.
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... I think he'll stay in until the convention, since he isn't really limited financially, and try to leverage his remaining support into a Cabinet position or something.
Maybe "or something" but not a cabinet position. His ego is much too HUGE to accept a subordinate position.
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Originally Posted by jhunter1163 View Post
To get back to the topic, I think the Trump wave has clearly crested.
LOL. It never stops. How has the "Trump wave clearly crested"? The last 2 major polls have all shown him with major increases.

I swear, Trump could be being sworn into office as POTUS and some of you would still be saying that he's "clearly" finished.
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