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Old 11th December 2015, 11:23 AM   #1
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Charlie Hebdo Paris shooting was NOT performed by Muslims. Investigation continues.

This thread is devoted to the investigation of Paris January 2015 terror attack on Charlie Hebdo ("CH shooting" for short).

The investigation was performed by evaluating online sources by a group of investigators.

An updated report about the investigation ("Report" for short) written by me is available below.

In the Report you will find an updated collection of (almost all) proofs known.

Please, read the Report.

You can judge if (some) proofs are just now on a reasonable forensic level.

The investigation continues and you are welcome to join the investigation.



Please, read the following text carefully (spoilers used to contain details).


Content:


(A) CH shooting



The Report (see first Disclaimer section) claims (using nicknames):


The CH shooting was performed as a prepared False flag operation claiming that Al-Qaeda performed the CH shooting.

There are reasonable grounds to believe that there was a prepared plan for the CH shooting and that police supported this plan.

The CH shooting was not performed by brother's Kouachis.

Ahmed Merabet was not murdered by brother's Kouachis.

Ahmed Merabet was shot by a white man ("Shooter", photo included, see the Report, p. 119).

Ahmed Merabet was poisoned by a white man ("Apron", photo included, see the Report, p. 120).

The murder (shot & poisoning) is broadcasted online by a French TV.


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FUNNY MOMENTS:


There are many funny moments in the Report:

(1)
You will observe French policeman shooting onto a car with a magic bullets.
The policeman points to the front window and what a miracle: the back window is broken, the front one is unbroken.

(2)
You will see "Hollywood" movies with digital cheating.

(3)
You will see AK47 shooting without shells / cartridges ejected.

(4)
You will see the murder broadcasted online without the media house noticed it.
Still online !!!




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(B) Evidence & Contacts



The Report (evidence, proofs and other information) is in the text Paris2015.pdf.

All media and references used in the main text Paris2015.pdf are in the file References.zip


You can download:


Paris2015.pdf - reduced version (non-searchable, covered faces in graphics, can be used and shared under Fair Use conditions)
https://mega.nz/#!iVZkkL5Y!v7AEkEKiM...06okcNE95UZa4A


Paris2015.pdf - complete version (searchable, contains full graphics, can be used and shared only for under Fair Use conditions)
…send a demand to the mail address below to get the link...


References.zip - photos and videos (contains full graphics, can be used and shared only under Fair Use conditions)
…send a demand to the mail address below to get the link...

FairUse.pdf - Fair Use conditions
https://mega.nz/#!iZxkSK4R!rs0OMnQgD...DDMAP1JB_lyoqk



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CONTACTS:

Full (and actual) versions of Paris2015.pdf and References.zip are available under Fair Use
(for University or Police education or research purpose) after sending a demand mail to

paris2015investigation@yandex.ru

or via an encrypted secured unseen.is chat (from a free unseen.is account) with the user
paris2015investigation

Moreover, actual version of Paris2015.pdf can be downloaded from
http://paris2015.okis.ru

The web http://paris2015.okis.ru is the (actual) base of the investigation.


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DEMAND FOR THE LINKS


should be obligatory (see http://paris2015.okis.ru/contacts.html for updates) in this form:

To: paris2015investigation@yandex.ru

Subject: paris2015investigation

Body:

I would like to obtain a link for the References.zip file.

I will use the files under Fair Use for research or education purposes at University or Police office.

I include the following info for verification purposes

My University / Police office mail:

My University / Police office www pages:

Greetings.


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A SIMPLY MINDED IDEA FOR A DEMAND:

I guess that anybody can in 10 minutes find a friend
at some university or a sheriff / police officer nearby
which is able to send an application according to the rule.
This way you could make a copy for yourself if needed.

Yes, one must accept that there are cute lawyers waiting
for their opportunity to make money from a Copyright violation.



This is due to legal purposes ( one knows lawyers and their manners).

Who can apply and why?

Almost any university teacher can use this explanation why Paris2015.pdf is used during lessons or research:

sociology (how peoples reacted to the attack)
politics (could such an attack change political environment)
media studies (how could be media misused for various reasons)
geography (what are the French really do in Paris)
French language (interactions with Arabic language)
Islam studies (situation of religions in Paris)
journalism (how could journalist inform truth receiving contradicting information)
law (which law could stop terror and why)
health care (how to deal with a terror attack wounded victims)
public relations (how to cover or uncover a false flag operation)
etc.


Attention please:

Making a legal copies of References.zip is crucial !!!
Guess why.
Proofs and evidence must be preserved !!!



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IMPORTANT:

Keep in mind that this is a live case, that the murders were performed by real murderers.

Please, download the files and keep them archived safely, they could be anytime erased from the servers by some dark forces …

Please, help with the backup diversification.



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Comment about downloading:


The links https://mega.nz/... above open a page, left side of the screen with some adv, right side of the screen offers secure download through your browser.

This works for all possibly browsers and is secure (nobody can read the encrypted file you are downloading, it is decrypted in your computer only).

Please, try download any other file using mega.nz to observe the behavior of the download method.

The download method is described on many places, try Internet search: mega.nz download


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Comment about References.zip:

It contains files:

(1) known extensions jpg, png, gif, bmp, mp4, pdf,...
(2) the movie folders contain auxiliary files for the ForEvid export files (project.data and ffindex) not to be opened / used by users



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3 Reasons for using nick-names:

(1) Legal issue
Author is afraid that using real names spoils the personal rights of those persons involved.
The Paris2015.pdf is prepared for a publication and using the real names will not allow it.

(2) Correctness
Only several names are for sure.
Moreover due to the plan there could be actors instead of them on several places
(brothers Kouachi's, Ahmed Merabet).
Some personal names (Jordi Mir) appeared only in media and they could be not involved in fact.

(3) Simplicity
Readers are not pushed to remember strange names and can use only nicks.


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Comment about the English language used in the Report:

The Report was written in English by a non-native speaker.
You can help with corrections / improvements.


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(C) Security & Investigation



Keep in mind that the case is alive. Moreover, recall that one investigator (H. Fredou) was probably murdered.

One can strongly believe that the online control was settled.

This means that some mail and web addresses are blocked or monitored, some evidences were erased, many false evidences were planted around …

There are strong indications that not only French police is involved.

The whole plan is not known, the investigation should be prompt to prevent any further parts of the plan to be performed.

Moreover, keep in mind that the official version of the CH shooting is just now supported by all media houses all over the world.

Moreover, many presidents (France, USA, …) supported the official version. Millions of people joined the movement “Je suis Charlie”.

The world was cheated.

One should act now.


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Patriot Act

Keep in mint that in France is a new Patriot act law.
Some web pages are prohibited / disabled.
Due to the French version of Patriot law it is not easy to open such an investigation in France.
Some forum sites were shut down or disabled in France.
Check here for info:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-hebdo-attack

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The investigation should be performed, independently (?) of the police.

Moreover, the terror crime was covered by police and public media worldwide.


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Please, keep in mind that the proofs in the Report are results of many great investigators online.

Please, feel comfortable with the fact that you (and the whole world) was cheated in this case.

Please, be honest to verify the case from a skeptic point of view.

Surely, you can find something new & interesting.


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Just now, maybe, I could know the case better more than anybody else.

I am ready to share all knowledge not contained in the text Paris2015.pdf.

Feel free to ask any (on topic) question anytime.


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And keep in mind the victims.

If you ever agreed with the sentence "Je suis Charlie", you should participate in a skeptic verification of the above proofs, and based on your own results you should act.

It would not be honest to believe CNN only, I guess.


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ELEVEN CHALLENGES TO BE TRIED

IF are you particularly interested in the research you can try some challenges:

(1)
Find true Interpol record of Cherif Kouachi.

Difficulty level: Hard

Remarks:
The record could be pushed offline with the murder of Cherif Kouachi, but it should be interesting to check it.
Cherif Kouachi was some time in a prison in France.
The record is very important.


(2)
Find unpublished post mortal photos of Cherif and Said Kouachi

Difficulty level: Hard

Remarks:
There were several photos released in French media (Paris Match).
They are very important.


(3)
Find unpublished post mortal photos from Charlie Hebdo offices

Difficulty level: Normal

Remarks:
There were several photos released in French media.



(4)
Find some whistle-blower from the False flag operation

Difficulty level: Intense

Remarks:
The False flag team could have some connection to French speaking regions outside France (Canada, former French territories worldwide).


(5)
Find real identity of the Shooter and Apron (pages 119 and 120 of Paris2015.pdf)

Difficulty level: Intense

Remarks:
The False flag team could have some connections to French speaking regions outside France (Canada, former French territories worldwide).


(6)
Read and check evidences in Paris2015.pdf

Difficulty level: Normal


(7)
Find unfalsified media in some media house like CNN, AP, Reuters, ...

Difficulty level: Normal

Remarks:
On January 7, 2015 several important media were released worldwide before the False flag team noticed that they contain dangerous evidences.
In next hours the media were replaced by some falsified versions, but the original versions could be in some media house archived.
One should find a reasonable truth guy in some media house and get the archived versions together with awkward mails from the False flag team demanding the versions exchange.

This challenge is very important.


(8)
Find new readers of Paris2015.pdf

Difficulty level: Easy

Remarks:
You can mention Paris2015.pdf in some message to some news agency not claiming the text is true or not, just that the text is interesting / funny / curious / strange.
You can share links to Paris2015.pdf in social networks as a funny joke.

This challenge is very important.


(9)
Find a qualified person able to get the References.zip file link

Difficulty level: Easy

Remarks:
Some media contained in the References.zip file are unique and need backups.

This challenge is very important.



(10)
Improve / correct the text Paris2015.pdf to help the readers to understand it better

Difficulty level: Easy



(11)
Try to find the original version of the Polish movie!!!
This survived only in one media house online.
Others were shortened and cheated.

Try to find full length (not shortened) HD version of Eyewitness movie containing details of Shooter and Apron (all such versions were deleted).
The last evidence is in References.zip


Difficulty level: Difficult


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(D) Qui bono



Here one can check several versions, but just now the most probable version could be this conjecture:

Conjecture

USA: Our air forces are fighting in Syria. We are alone. Can your air forces help?
France: No, your nation has strong experiences with terror attack, our nation not yet.
USA: We think we can solve this problem.


Truth

Gen. Wesley Clark: "Seven Countries In Five Years"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
with a transcript
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2...esidential_bid


Hollande: "We will strike each time that our national security is at stake."
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/ISI...strikes-419230


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2 FALSE FLAG EVENTS:

(1)
Gleiwitz incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
was a false flag operation.

It was intended to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany
in order to justify the subsequent invasion of Poland.

This was the beginning of WWII.


(2)
Paris 2015 January attack could be observed as a false flag operatiton.

It could be intended to justify the subsequent French air attacks in Syria.

As an aftermath one observes Paris 2015 November attack (Not a False Flag).

Is it a beginning of ... ???


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(E) Summary



The Report claims:
- The CH shooting was a False flag operation (50 reasonable proofs presented in Paris2015.pdf).
- Ahmed Merabet was not murdered by brothers Kouachi’s.
- Photos of two murderers of Ahmed Merabet are available (Shooter page 119, Apron page 120 in Paris2015.pdf).
- ...

The investigation needs:
- Find the real height of Cherif Kouachi in police files.
- Find the identity of Shooter and Apron.
- Find other members of the False flag team.
- ...

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The Paris 2015 attack is worth investigating.

Keeping in mind that this is a ‘history forming’ event.

Justice should be pushed to the case.

Keep in mind all dead or wounded, past or future victims.

It is a challenge for skeptics community to uncover the terror crime and present it to the world public.

Please, keep in mind that next generations will know the truth and they could judge your activities in this important case...

I hope that somebody in IS Forum will try this great challenge.


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All information in Paris2015.pdf is free to use for publication and investigation by anybody.

The whole file Paris2015.pdf has been submitted for publication to one publishing house (just now in the decision process).

The case was reported to the International Criminal Court (reference OTP-CR-330/15), for the full text see below in Disclaimers... .

The case was reported to Interpol.



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(F) Disclaimers & Ad hom & History




All investigation was performed under Fair Use.

The Report and this thread are written according to Fair Use.



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The Report file Paris2015.pdf contains this Disclaimer:

Here you find a research about what could Extra-Terrestrial entities think about the Paris 2015 attack.
The research is based on open online available resources.
Authors do not claim anything in the text is true.
“We” in the text refer to Extra-Terrestrial entities.
Use under Fair Use conditions for research or education.
Use on your own risk.
No warranty provided.


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Explanation:

One is not able to claim anything is definitely true.

One is able to think what Extra-Terrestrial entities could think.

BTW, Extra-Terrestrial entities were chosen as a cold blood entities using their brain mainly & strictly following pure logic.



Once more:

Well, the Disclaimer is useful for lawyers.
Paris2015.pdf claims many dangerous things.

Autor claims that the Paris2015.pdf only describes what Extra-Terrestrial entities could think.
“We” in the text refer to Extra-Terrestrial entities.

So, for example a sentence in the text "We know that this man is a murderer"
is not a reason for sending author to a prison.


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AD HOM STATEMENT:

Author of the Report (and this post as well) is not crank.

For a beautiful collection of Ad hom insults one could check
http://skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26143



Keep in mind that the present thread is not a "Howdy-Howdy-blah-blah" thread.
Respect, please, the main topic: an investigation of CH shooting.
"Do not bite my finger; look where I point!" is a reasonable quote due to Warren McCulloch.


This thread should be a room where investigators are hunting for murderers.
Spoiling this investigation is a moral crime against investigators and supports the murderers.
And it is dangerous.


BTW, being an investigator and having observed the crime one becomes a crime / murder witness, i.e. nothing one is lucky from.

This post is partially about sharing the know-how all investigators have already discovered.

Just now you are also the sad "knowledge keeper".



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NO CT HERE !!! JUST AN INVESTIGATION !!!

Author is not a Conspiracy theorist.

Author would be much more satisfied with the official explanation if it would / could be consistent with known facts & physics laws.

Author in the Report presented a version that Extra-Terrestrial entities could consider as real.


Author believes (but until now has no proof) that the CH shooting WAS NOT
a side effect of an invisible battle performed between mutants of sharks
and mutants of jelly-fishes. Investigation in progress. Results TBA soon


Once more: No NWO, Illuminati, omnipotent Mossad or CIA, but honest investigation.


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History of the investigation:

The key part of the investigation was performed using the hostility of ReactorBreach forum
http://www.reactorbreach.com/showthread.php?tid=4194/
The thread alone has approx. 2000 posts, 700.000 visits.
The forum is just now hacked by some evil forces (?) and just now offline.
As I understand, some members of the forum stopped posting being contacted by French police (?).
Nevertheless, I know and recall that some members were very clever and spent large amount of time by detailed investigation.
So, read the evidence in the Report, please, with respect to the effort devoted.


Afterwards these sites were used:

http://paris2015.twomini.com/ - destroyed together with the account (after being noticed to ICC)
http://paris2015.niksma.ru/ - destroyed together with the account (after being noticed to ICC instead of twomini version)
http://paris2015.okis.ru/ - still alive (not noticed to ICC)


The topic was recently presented & discussed (& almost failed) here
http://skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=26143



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TROLLING comment:

(1) One could recall known facts

- This thread is about investigating of a state organized terror crime with many murders.
- This is not a safe task.
- Murderers can do anything they want.
- Investigators cannot even post the photo of murderers not breaking a law.
- It is a risky job for investigators.
- Investigators need help or support, not hearing they are "not clever", ...
- Recall "Three days of Condor" and think.
- Even before 9/11 any reasonable forum was controlled.
- After 9/11 any forum is controlled.

(2) A clever reader will understand the facts mentioned in (1) without being explicitly written.

(3) A free ride trolling here, as in any usual "Howdy. Howdy. blah blah" thread, is a sign that one is not mentioned in (2).

(4) A hard core trolling (intentional spoiling / hacking of the thread) is a terrible thing anytime, here the worst possible while supporting murderers.


Recall the lion story:

If somebody looks like a lion, shouts like a lion, bites like lion and is dangerous like a lion ...
... it is not important to check the DNA to say "Hi, Lion."



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TEXT OF THE APPLICATION SENT TO ICC.

Confirmed by ICC on Sep 21, 2015 as reference OTP-CR-330/15.


Mrs. Fatou Bensouda, ICC Prosecutor
Mr. James Kirkpatrick Stewart, ICC Deputy Prosecutor Elect
Mr. Michel De Smedt, The Head of Investigations
Mr. Phakiso Mochochoko, Head of the Jurisdiction, Complementarity and Cooperation Division
Mr. Fabricio Guariglia, Director of the Prosecutions Division

…………………………………………………………………………………………

To Whom It May Concern:

Please, read the following text carefully.

You will find important information explaining that that there was a state organized terror crime performed in January 2015 in Paris resulting in many murders.

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(A) Attack case

Moreover, you will find that murders as crimes against humanity within the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (“the Court”) pursuant to article 7(1)(a) of the Rome Statute (“the Statute”) were committed during January 2015 Paris attack on the Charlie Hebdo Office (“the Attack”), and in the aftermath of, in France (“the State”).

Moreover, you will find that the Attack was performed as a False flag operation claiming that Al-Qaeda performed the Attack, consequently one could conclude that making improper use of flag as a war crime within the jurisdiction of Court pursuant to articles 8(2)(b)(vii) of the Statue, was committed during the Attack.

Moreover, you will find that the Attack including all next by the Attack initiated actions (e.g. murders in the print factory, murders in the HyperCacher shop, the death of Helric Fredou, 54 anti-Muslim incidents in Paris in the week after the Attack including 21 reports of shootings and grenade throwing at mosques and other Islamic centers and 33 cases of threats and insults reported by Wikipedia, 14-15 February 2015 a series of shootings in Denmark, 3 May 2015 an attack in Texas (USA), unrest in Niger resulting in 10 deaths, …) was of a systematic and widespread nature; and that during the Attack, on the 7th January 2015, during, and in the aftermath of, the murders of many civilians were committed.

Moreover, noticing that the Attack resulted in various next attacks in several states worldwide, it would be difficult to distinguish which attack was a part of the prepared plan.

Considering that there are reasonable grounds to believe that there was a State prepared plan for the Attack and that the State police supported this plan, the investigation should be performed, independently of the State police, by ICC itself or by some international institution like Europol or Interpol.

Noticing, that the whole plan is not known, the Court must act promptly to prevent any further parts of the plan to be performed.

Moreover, keep in mind that the official untruth version of the Attack is just now supported by all media houses all over the world. Moreover, many presidents (France, USA, …) supported the untruth version. Millions of people joined the movement “Je suis Charlie”.

…..

(B) Evidences

The evidences and other information are in the included text Paris2015.pdf. All media and references used in the main text Paris2015.pdf are in the file References.zip which can be just now downloaded at

https://... - FULL LINK HIDDEN HERE

Anytime in the future, actual version of Paris2015.pdf can be downloaded using the address

paris2015.twomini.com - DESTROYED BY EVIL FORCES AFTER SUBMISSION !!!
paris2015.okis.ru - ACTUAL VERSION !!!

Anytime in the future, actual versions of Paris2015.pdf and References.zip are available under Fair Use after sending a demand mail to
paris2015investigation@yandex.ru

…..

(C) False flag team

For the foregoing reasons, there are reasonable grounds to believe that some members of a State based False Flag Team (“FFT”), some members of the State police and some members of media houses worldwide are criminally responsible under article 25(3)(a)-(f), (i.e. in short: commit, order, assist, contribute, attempt) for:

i) murder as a crime against humanity, punishable under article 7(1)(a) of the Statute;

ii) making improper use of flag as a war crime, punishable under article 8(2)(b)(vii) of the Statute.


Noticing also article 27 of the Statute, the case could include any person without any distinction on official capacity in the State, including the President of the State. Moreover, all commanders and other superiors are criminally responsible due to article 28 of the Statute. Moreover, recalling that orders to commit a crime against humanity are manifestly unlawful according article 33(2) of the Statute, persons pursuant to an order are criminally responsible due to article 33(1)(c) of the Statute.

Noticing article 70 of the Statute, we recall that many false testimonies and evidences were presented by the State police and media houses. These testimonies and evidences would be punishable under article 70 of the Statute if being repeated during the Court administration of justice.

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Summary:

For the foregoing reasons, ICC Prosecutor should apply article 15 of the Statute to initiate investigations proprio motu and submit to the Pre-Trial Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation of the Attack.

Keeping in mind that the Attack is a ‘history forming’ event, it is a moral duty of the Court to bring justice to the case. Keeping in mind all dead or wounded, past or future victims, the Court should send the real criminals (even if some president could be included) to jail.

Thank you in advance.

…………………………………………………………………………………………..

Please, confirm the receipt of this mail by sending a personal reply from your own mail address.

Thank you again.


F. Helric (pseudonym)
paris2015investigation@yandex.ru


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Looking for next progress and/or new investigators.

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Old 11th December 2015, 11:25 AM   #2
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Yeeaaahhh... This probably belongs in the Conspiracy Theories subforum.
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Old 11th December 2015, 11:31 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd View Post
Yeeaaahhh... This probably belongs in the Conspiracy Theories subforum.
The thread is not a conspiracy theory thread, it is a pure investigation.

Please, move it back if possible. Thank you.

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Could you summarise your 'theory' for those of us who don't have time to sift through that lot^^^^^^^^^ and try and decipher wtf you are talking about.
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I am reluctant to download a file from an unknown source. How about you cite one or two of the most solid pieces of evidence you have, so everyone here can have a look?
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Old 11th December 2015, 11:50 AM   #6
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Could you summarise your 'theory' for those of us who don't have time to sift through that lot^^^^^^^^^ and try and decipher wtf you are talking about.
The Report of 130+ pages is an attempt of the summary.
Believe me, that this is a summary of several months spent by several investigators.

In short:

There are many strong evidences that the CH shooting did not happen as presented.

Without these evidences one can say "False Flag" and the other can say "No False Flag" and both are happy.

Please, try to read evidences and you will see
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Old 11th December 2015, 11:54 AM   #7
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Just another crackpot Conspiracy theory

You are new here, Lopesito,but a word of advice:Advocating nutty conspiracy theories is a very fast way to get you a reputation at JREF.....and it won't be a very good one.
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I am reluctant to download a file from an unknown source. How about you cite one or two of the most solid pieces of evidence you have, so everyone here can have a look?
I have spent long time explaining this subject to people who do not want to read the Report. To present any proof one must have sources, locations, persons, events, ...

All is contained in Report.

For those who cannot download and/or read PDF files the whole Paris2015.pdf is available online in a jpg version;
under Fair Use (see Wikipedia) one could use these links for single pages of Paris2015.pdf :


http://paris2015.okis.ru/file/paris2015/page1.jpg

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Old 11th December 2015, 11:58 AM   #9
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Just another crackpot Conspiracy theory
Please, read proofs obtained during the investigation.

Please, present your proofs for your claim or say "Excuse me."
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Old 11th December 2015, 11:59 AM   #10
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Seriously?
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The Report file Paris2015.pdf contains this Disclaimer:

Here you find a research about what could Extra-Terrestrial entities think about the Paris 2015 attack.
The research is based on open online available resources.
Authors do not claim anything in the text is true.
“We” in the text refer to Extra-Terrestrial entities.
Use under Fair Use conditions for research or education.
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Seriously?
Yes, this strange thing is explained in the Disclaimer SPOILER in the OP
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What would Columbo do?
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Old 11th December 2015, 12:13 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
... How about you cite one or two of the most solid pieces of evidence you have, so everyone here can have a look?
Originally Posted by Lopesito View Post

...There are many strong evidences that the CH shooting did not happen as presented...
Go on, just one, in simple English with no hand waving.
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Old 11th December 2015, 12:16 PM   #14
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What would Columbo do?
CORRECT!

Columbo would check all details, rereads the messages, rewinds tapes many times, thinks, asks, ...

And finally (when he is finished) presents his consistent story.

Moreover, to disprove the official version just one disproof is needed. Here there are 50 disproofs.

There is no possibility for the event to happen as presented in media (not breaking the law of physics, ... ).
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Go on, just one, in simple English with no hand waving.
Well, in the known Jordi Mir's movie the shooter forgot to leave empty shells / cartridges on the ground. It proves that no shooting happened.
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Once more, please, try to read the evidences
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Please, recall the dead bodies of Charlie Hebdo, Ahmed Merabet and the others.

Saying without reading evidences "This is a crackpot theory" could be an awkward insult to the victims.

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Please, recall the dead bodies of Charlie Hebdo, Ahmed Merabet and the others.

Saying without reading evidences "This is a crackpot theory" could be an awkward insult to the victims.
The report could be an awkward insult to the victims.

15 all. Your serve.
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Go on, just one, in simple English with no hand waving.
Try again.
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Old 11th December 2015, 12:37 PM   #20
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The report could be an awkward insult to the victims.

15 all. Your serve.
I prepared a Report with proofs to find the real murderers.

This is an investigation. It goes on. I would like to find the murderers.

It would be nice if you can join
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Go on, just one, in simple English with no hand waving.
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Try again.
Too hard?
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Old 11th December 2015, 12:45 PM   #22
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Try again.
I have spent two months (?) with this game on skepticforum.com

One guy asked: Where are the proofs.
I replied: In the Report.
One guy asked: Where are the proofs.
I replied: In the Report.
...

It was as in the well known "WHERE'S THE BABY" from Ice Age
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpLxakD_bWU

Seriously: The proofs are sound and without having downloaded movies, photos and links I should rewrite the whole 130+ pages report here. Even then nobody is able to check the evidences with media. Boring job.

Once again: Please, read the OP, read the Report, ask for References.zip and we will investigate together
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And you got nowhere there?

What makes you think your game (your word, not mine) will be more successful here?
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Too hard?
I have presented a bullet-proof evidence that the story did not happen:

Well, in the known Jordi Mir's movie the shooter forgot to leave empty shells / cartridges on the ground. It proves that no shooting happened.

And you ask: Next proof.

Accept, that many proofs need media (photos, movies, ...) to be verified.
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ps I don't want zip files, and I don't want to watch Ice Age.
Just one convincing fact.
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The thread is not a conspiracy theory thread, it is a pure investigation.

Please, move it back if possible. Thank you.
Yeah, your work is nowhere near good enough to justify that.
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And you got nowhere there?

What makes you think your game (your word, not mine) will be more successful here?
I believe that here one could find what was missing at skepticforum (small audience there).
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Here you find a research about what could Extra-Terrestrial entities think about the Paris 2015 attack.
The research is based on open online available resources.
Authors do not claim anything in the text is true.
“We” in the text refer to Extra-Terrestrial entities.
Use under Fair Use conditions for research or education.
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uh-huh.

So, you don't claim anything is true but want to us to accept that your report is true and you especially want aliens to think it's true.

I think the aliens will have their own probe for you.
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Originally Posted by Lopesito View Post
I have presented a bullet-proof evidence that the story did not happen:

Well, in the known Jordi Mir's movie the shooter forgot to leave empty shells / cartridges on the ground. It proves that no shooting happened.

And you ask: Next proof.

Accept, that many proofs need media (photos, movies, ...) to be verified.
I lost interest at a bullet broke one car window and not the other. That is rather common. A bullet will often change shape on impacting or going through things or people. It may become shorter but wider as it impacts things and tissues and look and act differently by the time it reaches the other window. If you don't believe me, looking at the tight shot group when one of the brothers shoots into the police car window and notice how they enter leaving small holes.
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Just one convincing fact.
With what it will cross-checked?

Keep in mind that there were inconsistencies in the official story. The Report explains them all.
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Yeah, your work is nowhere near good enough to justify that.
Prove it, please. Is it difficult not reading the Report and checking the References.zip
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So when you say you investigated, how much time did you spend in Paris at the crime scenes? Were you able to line up the bullet holes in the cars and buildings with where the attackers were standing? Did you black light the floors and walls to find the blood splatter?
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uh-huh.

So, you don't claim anything is true but want to us to accept that your report is true and you especially want aliens to think it's true.

I think the aliens will have their own probe for you.
Please, read the explanation in the SPOILER in the Disclaimer section of the OP.

The disclaimer is for lawyers
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With what it will cross-checked?

Keep in mind that there were inconsistencies in the official story. The Report explains them all.
It was three horny young men and a psycho bitch with get out of hell free cards on a shooting spree in Paris. Of course there are inconsistencies. You tend to get conflicting stories when you interview lots of people fleeing for their lives and unaccustomed to being shot at.
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Investigation by Youtube.

Columbo would turn in his grave.

If he wasn't fictional.

Sort of a little like this thread.
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Originally Posted by Lopesito View Post
The Report of 130+ pages is an attempt of the summary.
Believe me, that this is a summary of several months spent by several investigators.

In short:

There are many strong evidences that the CH shooting did not happen as presented.

Without these evidences one can say "False Flag" and the other can say "No False Flag" and both are happy.

Please, try to read evidences and you will see
You found the opposite of "pure investigation", it is "purefailed BS"; loads of BS.

This is a weak conspiracy theory, not rational investigation. In the fantasy version for the false flag, how many people did it take to fake the plot? Who did the fantasy version, the false flag version.
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I lost interest at a bullet broke one car window and not the other...
Please, read the Report and you will understand.

Please, keep in mind that I understand very well your arguments. Thank you.
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Please, read the explanation in the SPOILER in the Disclaimer section of the OP.

The disclaimer is for lawyers
Dude, get a new hobby. This isn't something for your silly games. If you have some interest in these events, fine but you need to approach it with more respect. Real people died in an attack on a city that represents the best Western Civilization has to offer. This topic deserves better than you.
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Let's cut to the chase: Who were the real murderers? Who staged the allged fake attack?
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So when you say you investigated, how much time did you spend in Paris at the crime scenes? Were you able to line up the bullet holes in the cars and buildings with where the attackers were standing? Did you black light the floors and walls to find the blood splatter?
The investigation is in the Report. The results are sound. Do you want to read evidences? You question prove that you have absolutely no idea about what is the window proof.

Please, try to read the Report.

I suppose that the real goal is to find those murderers.
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