The All Purpose Gary Johnson / William Weld Thread

I finally read up on the convention. It appears that Johnson got the most boo's (for things like supporting the government's right to require driver's licenses) yet finished with the most votes.

I do give them admiration for using exhaustive voting for the presidential nomination. I think all forms of alternative voting should be discussed in the USA.
 
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It's still early days, but Johnson/Weld are at 8% based on the realclearpolitics poll average.

And some schmo from the commission on presidential debates TM says that he just might let in a third party candidate if they were close to the 15% threshold. Which would be great, as long as Trump and Hillary manage to show up for the debate too.

CNBC corporate media shills said:
While the commission vehemently denies it, Fahrenkopf acknowledged the prevailing sensitivity about political elites obstructing outsiders. He even suggested it might consider giving an inch to a third-party candidate who is close enough to the cutoff point. Former Bill Clinton press secretary Mike McCurry, the CPD's other co-chair, said his group will consult Frank Newport, editor in chief of Gallup, in the event that a third-party candidate polls within the "gray zone."
"If someone came in and let's say he was [polling] at 14.5 percent and the margin of error in five polls was 3 points, we are going to have to sit down and look at it," Fahrenkopf said. "But right now that person would not be included."
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Trump's fantasy that he "got a letter from the NFL" about the 2 debates scheduled against football games is kind of funny. Are four pinoccios enough for such a claim?
 
My wife had the CNN "town hall" with them on for about 10 minutes the other night, all of which were devoted to arcane details about types of medical marijuana. Started by a question from the audience.
 
Johnson needs some controversial, juicy gossip to get the necessary media attention.
It's not fair that Donald and Hillary get to have all the scandals.
 
Gary Johnson got some attention today:

What is Aleppo?

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Again one sees how differently the candidates are treated.
 
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Firestone said:
Gary Johnson got some attention today:

What is Aleppo?

ETA (somewhat off topic, but still):
Again one sees how differently the candidates are treated.
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Yeah, that's going to haunt him.
I think it was just a temporary brainfart, but still inexcusable: humanitarian intervention is an obvious question for his defense policies.
 
The New York Times wrote an article about it:

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Firestone said:
Gary Johnson got some attention today:

What is Aleppo?

ETA (somewhat off topic, but still):
Again one sees how differently the candidates are treated.
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It was a hell of a context switch by Mike Barnicle. First they're talking about the two party system and the culture wars, and then Barnicle asks out of the blue "What would you do about Aleppo?" I probably would have done a double-take myself, or maybe thought that he was talking about the youngest of the Marx brothers.
 
We've been getting Johnson commercials on our TV the past few days, complete with awkward clips of Trump and Clinton. Since Trump has no chance in my state, I might just vote for him, even if he doesn't know what a leppo is. (Is it anything like a lepus?)
 
Trebuchet said:
We've been getting Johnson commercials on our TV the past few days, complete with awkward clips of Trump and Clinton. Since Trump has no chance in my state, I might just vote for him, even if he doesn't know what a leppo is. (Is it anything like a lepus?)
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The upside is he asked directly and didn't try to BS the reporter like he knew.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Yeah, that's going to haunt him.
I think it was just a temporary brainfart, but still inexcusable: humanitarian intervention is an obvious question for his defense policies.
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Yeah, that will hurt him,he really cannot afford any slip ups like that.
 
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That is truly one for the ages. The special irony is that the article was expressing surprise that Gary Johnson did not know what Aleppo was, and it took the NY Times three tries to say what it was.
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Thanks to the site NewsDiffs we know how many tries they needed to come up with the junk that is now on their website. Certainly more than three, and it seems they didn't log every change as I can't find the one where they add the correction to the correction (whose falseness not only I spotted). Note that the last two changes are adding more mockery of the type "Even Killary had a laugh", while the very last is changing the headline from "‘What Is Aleppo?’ Gary Johnson Asks, in an Interview Stumble" to "‘What Is Aleppo?’ Libertarian Presidential Candidate Asks in an Interview Stumble". Must have been a call from above: "I don't think the people who take us seriously know who Gary Johnson is - mock the party, foot soldier!" :D
 
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Carl Bernstein was on CNN tonight suggesting Weld might withdraw. Bernstein said Johnson wasn't a serious candidate and only wanted to bring the issue of legalizing pot to the forefront. He suggested Weld was concerned about their candidacy resulting in Trump winning and Weld is in the Never Trump camp.

Don't know how valid his opinion is but he suggested personal knowledge of Weld's concerns.
 
I thought that Johnson and Weld would take more votes from Trump than from Clinton,, however, I see his concern.
 
There is quite a bit at stake here for the Libertarian Party that many might consider more important, long term, than handing Trump the election:

- they need 5% to be able to get on all the ballots again in 4 years
- they need (I think) 7% of the votes to be eligible for public funds for the next election

Since Johnsone/Weld are very likely to get to these numbers, I doubt they will give up their efforts.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Carl Bernstein was on CNN tonight suggesting Weld might withdraw. Bernstein said Johnson wasn't a serious candidate and only wanted to bring the issue of legalizing pot to the forefront. He suggested Weld was concerned about their candidacy resulting in Trump winning and Weld is in the Never Trump camp.

Don't know how valid his opinion is but he suggested personal knowledge of Weld's concerns.
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Having known Weld, I could theoretically see him doing this. He's much more of a traditional northeastern republican than he ever was a libertarian (there's quite a bit of overlap between the two groups, though), and I can't imagine him viewing Trump with anything but abject disgust.

Still, it's just a rumor for now.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
There is quite a bit at stake here for the Libertarian Party that many might consider more important, long term, than handing Trump the election:

- they need 5% to be able to get on all the ballots again in 4 years
- they need (I think) 7% of the votes to be eligible for public funds for the next election

Since Johnsone/Weld are very likely to get to these numbers, I doubt they will give up their efforts.
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Why would any Liberatarian care about that?
 
Fitter said:
Losing it? I was referring to public funding.
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If they ever want to get to 15% or more, they have to appear like a regular party. Getting public funding will help with that (even if it might be against the Libertarian spirit).
 
I heard that Bernstein interview. I think that he was talking out of his ass and wishful thinking about Weld backing Hillary and dropping out of the race.

As a mostly republican voter, Johnson/Weld is taking my vote away from Hillary as measured in the polls. If there were only two candidates, I'd vote for her instead of trump.
 
Maya22 said:
I thought that Johnson and Weld would take more votes from Trump than from Clinton,, however, I see his concern.
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I have done 2 or 3 rounds of the survey monkey poll this election. First, the survey asks you to choose from 2 presidential candidates, I.e., you are forced to say which one of trump Or Hillary (Sane libertarians or republicans or moderates would say Hillary!). Then they ask you which of the 4 candidates and for me it's Johnson/Weld. I totally get why the polls say that the Ls are stealing from Hillary!.
 
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Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson Has a Unique Reason for Shrugging Off Climate Change - Apparently, we shouldn't bother worrying because someday the sun will encompass our whole planet
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Naturally, he is far more reality-based than Donald Trump, in that he doesn't think that man-made climate change is a Chinese conspiracy. Second paragraph from the Slate article -
The former New Mexico governor did acknowledge that humans are making the world warmer in the near term, too—
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Yeah the Chicago Tribune endorsed him and all the local Democrats are reciting their talking points about not "wasting your vote." As opposed to wasting my vote on Hillary! I guess.
 
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