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Trump is a thin-skinned narcissist.

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There's a double standard on these forums, where insults against conservatives are taken as given and insults against liberals demand proof, and I'm tired of that game.
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So, in fairness, does anyone care to support the claim that Trump is a thin-skinned narcissist? Can any evidence be found?
 
Upchurch said:
So, in fairness, does anyone care to support the claim that Trump is a thin-skinned narcissist? Can any evidence be found?
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His demanding that he be the only crying baby in the room yesterday and saying that the New York Times "Doesn't write good".
 
Two elements, thin-skinned and narcissistic....

Regarding his narcissism, I think you have to look at Trump's statements where he extols his own virtues:

I know words, I have the best words.
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I consult myself on foreign policy, ‘because I have a very good brain
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I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me
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None of those look like a reasoned and measured position to me.

Regarding thin-skinned, his history of frivolous litigation is one indicator, the other is his complete inability to countenance any criticism as evidenced by his tweets - in particular those most recent ones about the Khan family.
 
He's so thin-skinned, there is no way he should have the power of the military behind him.
 
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His demanding that he be the only crying baby in the room yesterday and saying that the New York Times "Doesn't write good".
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Comparing his "sacrifice" of creating jobs to the Khans losing their son, saying he always wanted a Purple Heart but didn't want to actually serve in the military to get one, saying he was going to create a super-PAC to go after Ted Cruz for not endorsing him...
 
He's a classless *******.

For folks that want to make a good impression, outside of inheritance, one does not accept a military decoration that they did not themselves earn, even when it is given in appreciation by the veteran that did earn it.

Headgear, unit patches, unit coins, that stuff is all OK.

If Trump had any sense, he would have known that, or somebody on his team should have known it and stopped it before it happened.
 
First the definition

DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

  • Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
  • Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
  • Exaggerating your achievements and talents
  • Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
  • Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
  • Requiring constant admiration
  • Having a sense of entitlement
  • Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
  • Taking advantage of others to get what you want
  • Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
  • Being envious of others and believing others envy you
  • Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner
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I know you you can't prove a negative but I don't think I have ever heard Donald Trump apologize or admit to a mistake. The mere fact that his debate style is to use ad hominem attacks on anyone who criticizes his policies or competence instead of defending a policy or his skills indicates a lot about him behaving as an arrogant or haughty man. This also indicates an exagerated sense of self-importance. I would submit his behavior in every Republican primary debate as evidence of his narcissism.
 
BStrong said:
He's a classless *******.

For folks that want to make a good impression, outside of inheritance, one does not accept a military decoration that they did not themselves earn, even when it is given in appreciation by the veteran that did earn it.

Headgear, unit patches, unit coins, that stuff is all OK.

If Trump had any sense, he would have known that, or somebody on his team should have known it and stopped it before it happened.
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I agree with you on this idea of accepting undeserved accolades. I think Trump is such a narcissist that if he were awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in his first year in office, before he even had a chance to do anything, he would probably accept it enthusiastically.
 
An article in the Atlantic has done the analysis:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/

From the article:

George Simon, a clinical psychologist who conducts seminars on manipulative behavior, says Trump is “so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in workshops because there’s no better example” of narcissism. “Otherwise I would have had to hire actors and write vignettes. He’s like a dream come true.”
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BStrong said:
He's a classless *******.

For folks that want to make a good impression, outside of inheritance, one does not accept a military decoration that they did not themselves earn, even when it is given in appreciation by the veteran that did earn it.

Headgear, unit patches, unit coins, that stuff is all OK.

If Trump had any sense, he would have known that, or somebody on his team should have known it and stopped it before it happened.
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Agreed 100%.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I agree with you on this idea of accepting undeserved accolades. I think Trump is such a narcissist that if he were awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in his first year in office, before he even had a chance to do anything, he would probably accept it enthusiastically.
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Or if he were offered someone else's Purple Heart.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I agree with you on this idea of accepting undeserved accolades. I think Trump is such a narcissist that if he were awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in his first year in office, before he even had a chance to do anything, he would probably accept it enthusiastically.
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Yes, and while accepting it he would say he doesn't yet deserve it and would do what he could to live up to it's awarding.

That's really narcissistic. Perhaps you could take it to the thread you were asked for evidence in?
 
tyr_13 said:
Yes, and while accepting it he would say he doesn't yet deserve it and would do what he could to live up to it's awarding.
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Well, he would probably do more like a humble brag, something like this (emphasis added):

And yet I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the considerable controversy that your generous decision has generated. (Laughter.) In part, this is because I am at the beginning, and not the end, of my labors on the world stage. Compared to some of the giants of history who've received this prize -- Schweitzer and King; Marshall and Mandela -- my accomplishments are slight. And then there are the men and women around the world who have been jailed and beaten in the pursuit of justice; those who toil in humanitarian organizations to relieve suffering; the unrecognized millions whose quiet acts of courage and compassion inspire even the most hardened cynics. I cannot argue with those who find these men and women -- some known, some obscure to all but those they help -- to be far more deserving of this honor than I.
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I especially would love to see Trump utter this phrase in his first year in office. Calling zero accomplishments "slight" accomplishments, but only in comparison to the giants of history, is one of those obvious humble brags that only a narcissist like Trump could possibly utter.

That's really narcissistic. Perhaps you could take it to the thread you were asked for evidence in?
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What? Aren't we discussing Trump here?
 
You know, the thought occurred to me yesterday, wondering if the Hollywood 'machine' helped create this beast.

I imagined the stereotypical Hollywood player telling Trump how fantastic he was over & over again on his stupid apprentice show.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Well, he would probably do more like a humble brag, something like this (emphasis added):



I especially would love to see Trump utter this phrase in his first year in office. Calling zero accomplishments "slight" accomplishments, but only in comparison to the giants of history, is one of those obvious humble brags that only a narcissist like Trump could possibly utter.



What? Aren't we discussing Trump here?
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Take it to the Obama thread. Your interpretation of Obama's words is hilarious. I'd love to discuss it there.

EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, we are discussing Trump here, but you're discussing Obama. Take it to that thread. Pretty please.
 
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sunmaster14 said:
I agree with you on this idea of accepting undeserved accolades. I think Trump is such a narcissist that if he were awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in his first year in office, before he even had a chance to do anything, he would probably accept it enthusiastically.
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The NPP is a subjective honor.

Purple Hearts are not.

Even Valor decorations from the MOH down are subjective, and it isn't unknown that certain individuals in the O rankings manage to take advantage of the system for themselves, but you just don't accept a military valor decoration or a PH that you don't earn, period.

It wasn't so long ago that a Navy Admiral committed suicide over an allegation that he was wearing decorations he had not earned:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Michael_Boorda

"Boorda, a Vietnam War veteran, died in May 1996, at the age of 56, when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest. The reason for his suicide was reportedly that he was upset about a media investigation into the legitimacy of his having worn on his uniform two service ribbons with bronze "V" (valor) devices which were generally perceived to indicate heroism in combat.

Boorda had earned the two medals represented by the ribbons, but there were questions about whether the two devices were authorized. Although Boorda participated in combat situations off the coast of Vietnam and had been given permission to wear the devices, it was determined before and after he died, that he did not meet the requirements to wear the devices. Boorda had removed the two ribbon devices and wore his uniform without the devices almost a year before he died.

Boorda was generally perceived as having made a good faith error in believing he was authorized to wear the devices, as opposed to an intentional effort to be deceptive."

I doubt even Trump would try to claim the actual credit for that PH, but what he did is completely unacceptable to me.
 
BStrong said:
I doubt even Trump would try to claim the actual credit for that PH, but what he did is completely unacceptable to me.
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Out of curiosity and possibly off topic, are you military or close family with military members? If so, is this a common attitude toward the Purple Heart and is it common for one to give a Purple Heart to someone like this (excluding passing it down to descendants)?
 
sunmaster14 said:
Well, he would probably do more like a humble brag, something like this (emphasis added):
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Isn't a "humble brag" an oxymoron?


sunmaster14 said:
What? Aren't we discussing Trump here?
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We're discussing Trump and narcissism and how in Webster's dictionary it now says

nar·cis·sism
/ närsəˌsizəm /
noun
excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.
synonyms:
vanity, self-love, self-admiration, self-absorption, self-obsession, conceit, self-centeredness, self-regard, egotism, egoism​
"his emotional development was hindered by his mother's narcissism"
  • PSYCHOLOGY
extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type.
  • EXAMPLES
See TRUMP, Donald J. American businessman and politician
 
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Don't forget the "thin-skinned" half:

BBC Article
BBC said:
Comedy magazine Spy called him a "Short-Fingered Vulgarian". And when it became clear he didn't like it - they kept on doing it.

Last year, its former editor Graydon Carter told Vanity Fair he did it "just to drive him a little bit crazy."

And it seems it worked.

Carter wrote: "To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump."

He explained "there is always a photo of him" that is generally torn from a magazine. "On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers."
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Upchurch said:
Out of curiosity and possibly off topic, are you military or close family with military members? If so, is this a common attitude toward the Purple Heart and is it common for one to give a Purple Heart to someone like this (excluding passing it down to descendants)?
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I did six years in the Army, my father was a Korea Marine, his older brother was a Marine before WWII, made it through the Pacific to later serve in Korea and eventually retired from the Corps.

I have heard "stories" about medals being given away or thrown away, but have personally never known of an instance where a troop or a Marine gave decorations away.

Like I said, giving somebody a unit coin, patch or similar type of item is entirely acceptable, but decorations aren't something that are "transferable" in any real sense.
 
People are only calling him thin-skinned narcissist because they're jealous losers. If Trump is a narcissist, then he's best narcissist ever.
 
BStrong said:
I have heard "stories" about medals being given away or thrown away, but have personally never known of an instance where a troop or a Marine gave decorations away.
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My dad, who served in the army in Korea, never even talked about his Purple Heart beyond saying that it was for being dumb enough to get hurt while in combat. Once he retired from the Air National Guard, it sat in a box with the rest of his ribbons and devices and was never taken out again.

We actually did once discuss giving away medals and his feeling was that they should never be accepted by someone who didn't earn it.
 
Cain said:
People are only calling him thin-skinned narcissist because they're jealous losers. If Trump is a narcissist, then he's best narcissist ever.
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Warren Buffett is a jealous loser? Who knew?
 
Oh he is thin skinned and a narcissist. Yesterday he couldn't even handle a baby taking attention away from him. Not only could he not deal with a crying baby like an adult but he had to belittle the mother of said baby in front of hundreds or thousands of people.

Even if he had said something like, "I am sorry but your baby is very distracting and I am trying to deliver an important message to the people of America. Would you mind following my people back stage where you and the child can have some privacy until they he/she feels better? We have a green room you can use and anything you need can be obtained. Thank you so much, take good care of her guys." It still would have been a bit weird. Does he take that route? Nope. He tells the mom its ok and that he loves babies then a minute latter belittles her for believing him. What an ass.
 
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Biscuit said:
Even if he had said something like, "I am sorry but your baby is very distracting and I am trying to deliver an important message to the people of America. Would you mind following my people back stage where you and the child can have some privacy until they he/she feels better? We have a green room you can use and anything you need can be obtained. Thank you so much, take good care of her guys."
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That would have required an iota of empathy.
 
Babbylonian said:
My dad, who served in the army in Korea, never even talked about his Purple Heart beyond saying that it was for being dumb enough to get hurt while in combat. Once he retired from the Air National Guard, it sat in a box with the rest of his ribbons and devices and was never taken out again.

We actually did once discuss giving away medals and his feeling was that they should never be accepted by someone who didn't earn it.
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It wasn't until I graduated from Airborne School and my father and uncle attended the graduation ceremony in uniform that I learned a bit about what they had earned. I had a general idea before that but it wasn't discussed either before or after.

After the ceremony one of the black hats came up to the three of us and introduced himself to them, and made a comment referencing how he could see now why I was a good trainee - two old hardcases in the family.

They took it as a compliment and I did as well, and other than a strict no-nonsense talking to from the both of them about what I needed to know that wasn't in the books, neither of them referenced their military experiences outside of funny recollections.
 
Cain said:
People are only calling him thin-skinned narcissist because they're jealous losers. If Trump is a narcissist, then he's best narcissist ever.
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Actually his narcissism is, like everything else about Trump, bland and pedestrian, a half-assed at best narcissism. A proper narcissist doesn't react badly to criticism because a proper narcissist can't recognize any other being as sufficiently capable of judging the narcissist. A proper narcissist cares what other people think about them the same way you care what a paramecium thinks about you.
 
Biscuit said:
The audience lacked empathy as well as they all started laughing. I can't imagine how awful that mother must have felt.
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I can: "What the hell am I doing here??"

I'd imagine it's like waking up from a dream (or nightmare), realizing that you've been supporting a scumbag who can't even be decent to the people who are on his side.
 
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