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Old 10th July 2018, 12:08 PM   #3401
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
That is the most scientifically literate post I've ever seen you make.

Well done. It doesn't really address any of the criticisms that have been brought against you, but bless your heart, you tried.
Ohh come on, Neil deGrasse Tyson is just a rare open minded exception, that has not been a victim of the brainwashed dark matter cult..
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Old 10th July 2018, 12:12 PM   #3402
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[quote=Reality Check;12355894]An irrelevant video about Neil deGrasse Tyson's opinion on the name of dark matter.
Nothing to do with:
9 July 2018 Bjarne: A "The links lead to nowhere" lie when clicking on them lead to posts.

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The origin of the name is simply that non-visible ("dark") matter is needed to explain observations using the known laws of physics.
No there are not such need, just understand DFA , that it

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We can detect dark matter in a known way (gravitational lensing) and may be able to detect it in labs here on Earth. What he means is that we have no dark matter in labs yet.
The background gravity of the universe is changing all the time, due to Big Crunch's and Big Bang's, - this is the real cause of ; gravitational lensing.
Dark Matter is and have always been bogus.
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Old 10th July 2018, 12:18 PM   #3403
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Ohh come on, Neil deGrasse Tyson is just a rare open minded exception, that has not been a victim of the brainwashed dark matter cult..
This theory may be more to your liking. From what I can see it's compatible with your own ideas.

http://www.brettholverstott.com/anno...unified-theory

As a bonus, there are multiple people who believe Mills is right! He has followers, something you lack.
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Old 10th July 2018, 03:22 PM   #3404
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Thumbs down An insane "brainwashed dark matter cult" insult

Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Ohh come on, Neil deGrasse Tyson is just a rare open minded exception, that has not been a victim of the brainwashed dark matter cult..
11 July 2018 Bjarne: An insane "brainwashed dark matter cult" insult.
Neil deGrasse Tyson agrees that dark matter exists. He does not like the name.

There are multiple lines of evidence foe dark matter (11 listed !) which is one thing that was not clear in his interview. It is the body of evidence that convinces people that dark matter exists and is matter. We also have to keep in mind the small possibility that dark matter can be explained by a change in the laws of physics.

10 July 2018 Bjarne: An irrelevant video about Neil deGrasse Tyson's opinion on the name of dark matter.
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Old 10th July 2018, 03:28 PM   #3405
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No there are not such need, just understand DFA , that it
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Stupidity that his imaginary DFA can explain dark matter or is the same as MOND, etc.
MOND is actual science. An imaginary "DFA" about a debated dark flow probably caused by events in the early universe is a delusion.

One example that shows how stupid this is:
Galaxy rotation curves show that there is missing matter around and inside galaxies. A debated force that pulled (past tense) galaxies billions of light-years away will not cause the present need for that missing matter. His delusion about a current "DFA" will never make galaxy rotation curves flatten out.

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Old 10th July 2018, 03:35 PM   #3406
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
The background gravity of the universe is changing all the time, due to Big Crunch's and Big Bang's, - this is the real cause of ; gravitational lensing.
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Vastly ignorant "background gravity" gibberish about gravitational lensing and cosmology.

Gravitational lensing is caused by masses. We see an example of this by the Sun bending light. We observe stars causing lensing. We observe galaxies causing lensing we observe galaxy clusters causing lensing.

We are not outside of the universe observing "background gravity" banding light !

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Old 10th July 2018, 09:01 PM   #3407
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11 July 2018 Bjarne: Neil deGrasse Tyson agrees that dark matter exists. He does not like the name.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson don't agree dark matter exist.
He don't like the association with matter, and prefer to call it Fred
I totally agree, except I would prefer Peter the 3rd.
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Old 10th July 2018, 09:03 PM   #3408
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
11 July 2018 Bjarne: .
There are multiple lines of evidence foe dark matter (11 listed !) which is one thing that was not clear in his interview. It is the body of evidence that convinces people that dark matter exists and is matter. We also have to keep in mind the small possibility that dark matter can be explained by a change in the laws of physics.
Such "body" doesn't exist, there are no evidence of all that such matter (Fred) exist at all. All you have is hypothesis build on the top of each other and A LOT of total contradictions.
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Old 10th July 2018, 09:11 PM   #3409
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11 July 2018 Bjarne:
Gravitational lensing is caused by masses. We see an example of this by the Sun bending light. We observe stars causing lensing. We observe galaxies causing lensing we observe galaxy clusters causing lensing.
We are not outside of the universe observing "background gravity" banding light !
So long you don't understand that so-called dark energy is only change in the elastic structure / tension of space, -you will not understand what so-called gravitational lensing really is.
The elastic change in the elastic structure of space, is caused by cycles of creation and dissolution of matter (due to endless cycles of Big Bang and Big Crunch) The effect on the structure of space is a process that takes place over billions of years because the universe is so big. Right now, the release of gravity has a head start, - and that release of tension is what you call- dark energy, and really don't know what is about.
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Thumbs down A lie that there is no body of evidence for dark matter when I linked to it

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Such "body" doesn't exist, ..
11 July 2018 Bjarne: A lie that there is no body of evidence for dark matter when I linked to that body!

11 July 2018 Bjarne: An insane "brainwashed dark matter cult" insult (links to the observational evidence for dark matter)
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Old 10th July 2018, 09:15 PM   #3411
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Thumbs down A delusion that Neil deGrasse Tyson wants to rename something that does not exist

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Neil deGrasse Tyson don't agree dark matter exist.
11 July 2018 Bjarne: A delusion that Neil deGrasse Tyson wants to rename something that Tyson thinks does not exist!

He lists some evidence for dark matter that is really about gravity and so "dark gravity" is a better name.

11 July 2018 Bjarne: Neil deGrasse Tyson agrees that dark matter exists. He does not like the name.
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Old 10th July 2018, 09:16 PM   #3412
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11 July 2018 Bjarne:

Galaxy rotation curves show that there is missing matter around and inside galaxies. A debated force that pulled (past tense) galaxies billions of light-years away will not cause the present need for that missing matter. His delusion about a current "DFA" will never make galaxy rotation curves flatten out.
The large speed of stars orbiting galaxies is caused by the EDFA, when starts moves more or less north (opposite DFA) EDFA is slowing the speed of these, and opposite EDFA is accelerating these stars so soon these again moves more or less south. Very very simple. - No need for Fred (or peter the 3rd) anymore
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Old 10th July 2018, 09:19 PM   #3413
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
11 July 2018 Bjarne:
He lists some evidence for dark matter that is really about gravity and so "dark gravity" is a better name.
Lets agree to call it Fred then
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
So long you don't understand that so-called dark energy is only change in the elastic structure / tension of space,....
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Irrelevant elastic space word salad that is not about his previous "background gravity" gibberish or gravitational lensing

His post is words strung together with no meaning in physics.

He replied to:
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Vastly ignorant "background gravity" gibberish about gravitational lensing and cosmology.

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Old 10th July 2018, 09:31 PM   #3415
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Lets agree to call it Fred then
I will not agree to your lie that there is no evidence that dark natter exists or a fantasy that you want to name something that does not exist Fred.

11 July 2018 Bjarne: A delusion that Neil deGrasse Tyson wants to rename something that Tyson thinks does not exist!

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The large speed of stars orbiting galaxies is caused by the EDFA, ...
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Stupidity that his imaginary DFA can explain dark matter or is the same as MOND, etc.

11 July 2018 Bjarne: Fantasy that his imaginary EDFA can explain dark matter when he displays ignorance about the evidence for dark matter!
1 of 11 lines of evidence for dark matter is galaxy rotation curves. These are how the speeds of stars and gas change as they get further from the galaxy center. They get larger than expected from Newtonian gravity far from the center so Newtonian gravity requires more mass in and around galaxies. It is that that he has to match with actual numbers.

The fantasy is stupid because that "large speed" is part of the evidence that he denies exists
11 July 2018 Bjarne: A lie that there is no body of evidence for dark matter when I linked to that body!

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Old 11th July 2018, 09:10 AM   #3417
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I will not agree to your lie that there is no evidence that dark natter exists or a fantasy that you want to name something that does not exist Fred.
Who is dark natter ?
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Old 11th July 2018, 09:45 AM   #3418
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Who is dark natter ?
On American keyboards the "N" and "M" keys are next to each other. Between their proximity and visual similarities typographical errors are not uncommon.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/jay-leal/dark-natter

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/jay...ter/e/42972886
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Old 11th July 2018, 09:55 AM   #3419
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Lets agree to call it Fred then
Why not. Scientists have chosen to call the phenomenon in my avatar Steve. It is just a label used as a convention to identify something.
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Thing is even if Dark Matter required new physics would that really equate to 'relativity falling apart'? I mean Newtonian Mechanics didn't fall apart when GR came along. In other words arguing about Dark Matter doesn't get Bjarne one step closer to validating his original claim, leaving aside the fact we are well past 2017.
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Lets agree to call it Fred then
No, let's not. It is already been decided to call something. Just like it has been decided to call you Bjarne. We shall call none of you Fred.

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Old 11th July 2018, 11:42 AM   #3422
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Lets agree to call it Fred then
No. We will call it Doofenshmirtz.

And you, you we will call S.I.M.P.

Agreed?
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Old 11th July 2018, 02:12 PM   #3423
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Who is dark natter ?
Dark matter is a thing, not a who, and does not have gender. That is 1 reason why it is stupid to call it Fred (the name of a man).

The irrelevancy, ignorance, insults and fantasies over the last 2 days:
10 July 2018 Bjarne: An irrelevant video about Neil deGrasse Tyson's opinion on the name of dark matter.
11 July 2018 Bjarne: An insane "brainwashed dark matter cult" insult (links to the observational evidence for dark matter).
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Stupidity that his imaginary DFA can explain dark matter or is the same as MOND, etc.
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Vastly ignorant "background gravity" gibberish about gravitational lensing and cosmology.
11 July 2018 Bjarne: A lie that there is no body of evidence for dark matter when I linked to that body!
11 July 2018 Bjarne: A delusion that Neil deGrasse Tyson wants to rename something that Tyson thinks does not exist!
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Irrelevant elastic space word salad that is not about his previous "background gravity" gibberish or gravitational lensing
11 July 2018 Bjarne: Fantasy that his imaginary EDFA can explain dark matter when he displays ignorance about the evidence for dark matter!
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Who is dark natter ?

Um...Spiro Agnew?
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No, let's not. It is already been decided to call something. Just like it has been decided to call you Bjarne. We shall call none of you Fred.

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Let's make a compromise and call it Dark Fred then
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Who is dark natter ?

A reasonably good term for this thread.
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Let's make a compromise and call it Dark Fred then


Only if you agree we can call you S.I.M.P.
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Let's make a compromise and call it Dark Fred then
No. Actually, this is quite general for this thread: You don't get to call things whatever you like. Dark matter is dark matter, the moon is orbiting Earth, DFA is an unsupported hypothesis, etc.
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Dark matter is dark matter,
Since when has brainwash been a kind of unknown matter ?
Brainwash is a immaterial.
You cannot call brainwash a kind of unknown matter, that would be insane.
In the same way with so-called dark-matter
I am 107,7% certain that Dark Brainwash is a much much much much more true replacement of the old abused even imagined dark bogus expression simply because it has nothing with matter to do.
So from now on let's call it dark brainwash, or just dark fantasy.

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the moon is orbiting Earth
If you was living on the Moon you would say the Earth is orbiting the Moon, because this is what you would observe.
If you was living on the Earth you would say the Moon is orbiting the Earth, because this is what you would observe.
I remember you also thought that the Moon was orbiting the Moon
If you was living on the Sun you would say all what I wrote above is illusion, because both the Earth and the Moon is only orbiting the Sun.

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If you was living on the Moon you would say the Earth is orbiting the Moon, because this is what you would observe.
Demonstrably wrong: We are living on the Earth, and yet we are saying that the Earth is orbiting the Sun.

This has been established as a fact since Kopernicus, so you are somewhat behind in your knowledge.
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Since when has brainwash been a kind of unknown matter ?
Brainwash is a immaterial.
You cannot call brainwash a kind of unknown matter, that would be insane.
In the same way with so-called dark-matter
I am 107,7% certain that Dark Brainwash is a much much much much more true replacement of the old abused even imagined dark bogus expression simply because it has nothing with matter to do.
So from now on let's call it dark brainwash, or just dark fantasy.
The conspiracy forum is over there ====>



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If you was living on the Earth you would say the Moon is orbiting the Earth, because this is what you would observe.
Nonsense.

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I remember you also thought that the Moon was orbiting the Moon
Ah, that. Well, Bjarne, there is such a thing as typing errors. I try to proofread my posts, but nobody is perfect. Actually, I'm a little surprised I have to tell you this, because you certainly make your share of typing mistakes yourself.

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If you was living on the Sun you would say all what I wrote above is illusion, because both the Earth and the Moon is only orbiting the Sun.
More nonsense.

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Demonstrably wrong: We are living on the Earth, and yet we are saying that the Earth is orbiting the Sun.

This has been established as a fact since Kopernicus, so you are somewhat behind in your knowledge.
Its a fact, that if you was living on the Moon you would see the Earth orbiting the Moon, - Its true but I am not sure you will understand it

Read more

Can the earth orbit a moon?
It already kind of does.
It is a very widesperead misconception that the moon revolves around the earth and the earth just follows its usual path around the sun.
In reality what happens is that both the Earth and the Moon revolve around their common center of mass(Barycenter) and this center of mass follows an elliptical orbit around the sun.
We perceive the moon as orbiting around the earth because the center of mass of the earth and the moon lies below the surface of the earth. So, while the moon follows a nice long elliptical orbit, the earth only wobbles around the center of mass.
Source https://www.quora.com/Can-the-earth-orbit-a-moon
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Since when has brainwash been a kind of unknown matter ?
16 July 2018 Bjarne: Irrelevant "brainwash" paranoia about the empirical evidence for dark matter

He has been pointed to the 11 lines of empirical evidence that dark matter exists several times. It is that body of evidence that convinces rational, thinking people that dark matter exists and needs explaining. Rational, thinking people have 2 main explanations - it is actual matter that only interacts via gravity or a change is needed for the laws of physics.

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If you was living on the Moon you would say the Earth is orbiting the Moon, because this is what you would observe.
If you know what the definition of orbit was than you would say:
The Moon is orbiting the Earth because the primary body is the Earth. The primary body is the heaviest body in a multi body system. That is the Earth. Another criteria I recall is that if the barycenter is inside a body in a 2 body system then the other body orbits that body while the body "wobbles". The barycenter for the Earth + Moon system is inside the Earth.
If the barycenter is outside the bodies then the 2 bodies are orbiting the barycenter, not each other. So strictly speaking Jupiter does not orbit the Sun, it orbits their barycenter .

Ditto for living on the Earth.

For living on the Sun, it is the Earth + Moon system that is orbiting the primary body of the Sun.
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Old 15th July 2018, 04:23 PM   #3435
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Its a fact, that if you was living on the Moon you would see the Earth orbiting the Moon, - Its true but I am not sure you will understand it

No you would not see the Earth orbit the Moon.

The Moon is tidally locked and it always presents the same face to the Earth. From the Moon you would see the Earth staying in almost exactly the same place all the time.
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Old 15th July 2018, 08:48 PM   #3436
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Originally Posted by wollery View Post

The Moon is tidally locked and it always presents the same face to the Earth. From the Moon you would see the Earth staying in almost exactly the same place all the time.
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Old 15th July 2018, 08:50 PM   #3437
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If you know what the definition of orbit was than you would say:
The Moon is orbiting the Earth because the primary body is the Earth. The primary body is the heaviest body in a multi body system. That is the Earth. Another criteria I recall is that if the barycenter is inside a body in a 2 body system then the other body orbits that body while the body "wobbles". The barycenter for the Earth + Moon system is inside the Earth.
If the barycenter is outside the bodies then the 2 bodies are orbiting the barycenter, not each other. So strictly speaking Jupiter does not orbit the Sun, it orbits their barycenter .

Ditto for living on the Earth.
All total irrelevant
Read my leaps, - if you was living on the Moon you would see the Earth is orbiting the Moon.
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
All total irrelevant
Read my leaps, - if you was living on the Moon you would see the Earth is orbiting the Moon.
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Old 15th July 2018, 10:34 PM   #3439
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Are you seriously denying that the Moon is tidally locked, which is why we only see one side of it?

You do know that we only found out what the far side of it looked like when we put spacecraft in orbit round it? I'm old enough to remember the first pictures of it.
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Originally Posted by wollery View Post
No you would not see the Earth orbit the Moon.

The Moon is tidally locked and it always presents the same face to the Earth. From the Moon you would see the Earth staying in almost exactly the same place all the time.
Good point !
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