Is the alt right worse than SJWs?

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As annoying as SJWs can be. I find the alt right far worse, they basically advocate a social Darwinist worldview as well as bullying and harassment. Milo Yiannopoulos, one of their heads, advocates bullying of overweight people thinking it would cause them to lose weight (when in fact, the opposite if true). There's barely anything positive or empowering that comes out of their mouths.

A hypersensitive society is certainly better than the opposite.
 
Jerrymander said:
As annoying as SJWs can be. I find the alt right far worse, they basically advocate a social Darwinist worldview as well as bullying and harassment. Milo Yiannopoulos, one of their heads, advocates bullying of overweight people thinking it would cause them to lose weight (when in fact, the opposite if true). There's barely anything positive or empowering that comes out of their mouths.

A hypersensitive society is certainly better than the opposite.
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And the racism has nothing to do with it?
 
I'd say the alt-right is more dangerous now, as they will have a very sympathetic president taking over in January. The SJWs had a little bit of support from the current government, but outside of colleges they're pretty powerless right now. They might be a danger in the future, but for now their ability to effect change is pretty minor.
 
The worst SJW stuff, the stuff I reserve the title for, is perpetrated by young people pouncing on their own peers for perceived slights and being absolutely ruthless about it with very little regard to any pertinent facts. I'm sure they see it as bullying those who deserve it; the problem even if you don't have a de facto problem with bullying is that there's no criteria for what behaviour deserves it or for checking whether any accusations are true. It's all jumping on the bandwagon stuff. THIS is the real version of the ******** 'virtue signalling' that everyone around here makes fun of.

But at the end of the day, it's 99% Bullying Kids on the Internet. It's bog standard harassment of the vulnerable by the also vulnerable. And I see plenty of sane kids in these peer groups speaking out against the bullying that happens when kids get carried away with what the point of 'callout culture' was supposed to be, and speaking out against bullying in general.

There's a lot more stuff that tends to be called SJW but that I would just call Kids Experimenting With Being Progressive, and it doesn't bother me a bit. They're young, they're figuring **** out. Whenever you have older people supporting them they're essentially just supporting Young People Figuring **** Out. I just can't find much outrage there. (I'm including like 12 to 30ish here as, colloquially, kids.)

Alt right on the other hand looks to me like it's practically built on the platform of bog standard harassment of the vulnerable by the also vulnerable. I'm not a fan of normalizing bullying. It's too easy. They take people who feel wronged and convince them the problems are all nebulously because of the next guy and then try to act like it's nothing to do with the platform when people go out into the world and bully the next guy? They try to downplay it like 'oh it's probably not really OUR guys' or 'this is nothing new' or 'that sounds like an exaggeration' 'it doesn't happen that much' 'it's not that bad' 'you just shouldn't let yourselves be bullied' 'your feelings are too easily hurt' etc etc.

And they'll turn a paragraph like that around on the progressives as though the progressives have convinced their base that the alt-right is the source of a lot of their problems in just the same way, as though the alt-right aren't actively lobbying against LGBT protections, planned parenthood, disabled benefits etc etc, as though the entire alt-right is its vulnerable base constituents and not its wealthy think tank builders.
 
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Let's see, who's better...People who at least say that they don't want people to be hurt, either physically or emotionally? Or people who say that hurting people at least emotionally is just fine as long as there is [im]plausible deniability ("I didn't mean to hurt anyone," "I didn't know it was wrong to shove my member into the orifice of a barely conscious person," etc.)?

Tough call.
 
Jerrymander said:
As annoying as SJWs can be. I find the alt right far worse, they basically advocate a social Darwinist worldview as well as bullying and harassment. Milo Yiannopoulos, one of their heads, advocates bullying of overweight people thinking it would cause them to lose weight (when in fact, the opposite if true). There's barely anything positive or empowering that comes out of their mouths.

A hypersensitive society is certainly better than the opposite.
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Aspects are worst. Alex Jones is a bad person. A lot listen to him. But keep in mind Alex Jones was huge on the far left when he first started to get big because he was telling the far far left what they wanted to hear about George Bush. I know many lefties that were 9/11 conspiracy theorists because of Alex Jones. But he's still alt right and now doubt he helped Trump get elected.


I still say SJW's are still a huge problem. I like this Sam Harris interview as to how I feel about the problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ5XoMXyH28


I enjoyed the alt-right because they were needed to throw a bomb at the regressive left. I need them to show me information the MSM doesn't cover.
 
Babbylonian said:
Let's see, who's better...People who at least say that they don't want people to be hurt, either physically or emotionally? Or people who say that hurting people at least emotionally is just fine as long as there is [im]plausible deniability ("I didn't mean to hurt anyone," "I didn't know it was wrong to shove my member into the orifice of a barely conscious person," etc.)?

Tough call.
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Sorry which group is which here?
 
Caper said:
I enjoyed the alt-right because they were needed to throw a bomb at the regressive left. I need them to show me information the MSM doesn't cover.
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Ya, they covered tons of stuff the MSM wouldn't touch, like that sandyhook was a hoax, or wonderfully insightful statistics like how 81% of murders of whites are committed by blacks. :rolleyes:
 
JohnnyG said:
Kind of a useless definition unless you also define what views RussDill disagrees with.
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It's the only definition that's ever made sense to me. Two groups of people engage in similar behavior, but its only the group someone disagrees with that get labeled SJWs.
 
Ooh, a broad brush! I'm going to use it: I tend to see SJWs as nurture bullies and the alt-right as nature bullies.

I tend to agree much more with the goals of the so-called SJWs, but I'm not an ends justify means type of person, especially because ends are multilayered and difficult to predict when it comes to society at large. Also, not a fan of faulty reasoning.
 
RussDill said:
It's the only definition that's ever made sense to me. Two groups of people engage in similar behavior, but its only the group someone disagrees with that get labeled SJWs.
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You really can't see any other reason? :rolleyes:
 
Is the alt right worse than SJWs?


I'd say yes. By and large, the alt right bullies people for things they can't change - race, gender, sexuality, and the like. SJWs bully people for things that are at least in principle changeable - that is, behaviors. No one has to use racial slurs, or make sexist jokes, or find excuses to justify discrimination.
 
Yes. I don't like SJW very much, with their abilty to find racism in just about Anything,but they don't peddle hate like alt.right does.
 
If you were to look at this thread objectively, you'd see exactly what's going: a conspiracy by the Jews.
 
Caper said:
The theory is that this, in part, was a vote against political correctness. I don't know how I acquire that proof, but that is defiantly the feeling I get.
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Pro-tip:

Come up with a coherent definition of "political correctness".
 
Horatius said:
Is the alt right worse than SJWs?


I'd say yes. By and large, the alt right bullies people for things they can't change - race, gender, sexuality, and the like. SJWs bully people for things that are at least in principle changeable - that is, behaviors. No one has to use racial slurs, or make sexist jokes, or find excuses to justify discrimination.
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*shrug*

SJWs bully based on people's oppression points. In other words, the straight cis white men are treated the worst because they "have it the best".

Though, they are less race-nationalist than the alt-right at large, as far as I can tell.
 
Caper said:
The theory is that this, in part, was a vote against political correctness.
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A lot of people claim that this was backlash against SJWs, but I really don't think the identity politics and special snowflake nonsense we see here and there is really anywhere on the radar of the common voter. I'm not sure they even know it exists. If anything, they are aware of how minorities in general are said to be disadvantaged (regardless of whether it's true) and they may have heard of the trans bathroom issue, but certainly not much more than that. So it's backlash against what? Minorities?
 
Jerrymander said:
As annoying as SJWs can be. I find the alt right far worse, they basically advocate a social Darwinist worldview as well as bullying and harassment. Milo Yiannopoulos, one of their heads, advocates bullying of overweight people thinking it would cause them to lose weight (when in fact, the opposite if true). There's barely anything positive or empowering that comes out of their mouths.

A hypersensitive society is certainly better than the opposite.
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You picked a bad example there..

Why would they care if overweight people lose weight?
 
Newtons Bit said:
I'd say the alt-right is more dangerous now, as they will have a very sympathetic president taking over in January. The SJWs had a little bit of support from the current government, but outside of colleges they're pretty powerless right now. They might be a danger in the future, but for now their ability to effect change is pretty minor.
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Lol

The powerless are in full on riot!
 
SWJs do the wrong thing for the right reasons.
The Alt Right do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.
 
Horatius said:
Is the alt right worse than SJWs?


I'd say yes. By and large, the alt right bullies people for things they can't change - race, gender, sexuality, and the like. SJWs bully people for things that are at least in principle changeable - that is, behaviors. No one has to use racial slurs, or make sexist jokes, or find excuses to justify discrimination.
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I just want to see the SJW body count, the Alt Right has rather a lot of terrorist attacks on its side.
 
Let's see... Social media bullies that try to ban speakers from college campuses for not adhering to the right doctrine or for being too 'privileged', or homophobic racist misogynistic white supremacists?
I don't like the first group one bit, but the second one is clearly more dangerous. Especially since they appear to have a firm grasp on all branches of government at the moment and want to turn the clock back to the 50's.
 
PhantomWolf said:
SWJs do the wrong thing for the right reasons.
The Alt Right do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.
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This about sums it up for me. My problem with SJWs is that in general while I agree with them in principle on most issues, they tend to behave in ways that I find unacceptable as a liberal.

The thing is, I expect better from these people. I don't expect better from the alt-right.
 
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