I think the Kangaroo Punch video is most likey fake.

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I have studied the footage to find a tell tale give away of fake.

I have no found one.

Maybe the grass does not move how i would expect, but its a telephoto coverage, so it will alaways look a bot wrong.

What I base my doubts on are ..


1. Exposition. The story is to well told by the footage. The story is too clean.

2. The camera work. I have been a camera man for several years. When real good **** goes down you can almost guarantee something will not be right. Your camera will not be turned on, your focus will **** out, things will never run perfect. You may even **** up yourself due to excitement. On this video everything is so so so perfect you could not wish for anything better. This video should be used as an advert for the camera and lens in use.

3. Its all linked to a go fund me.




hmmm remember those guys out of of Australia that got AUS gov funding to produce fake viral videos?
Remember those dudes.
I think this is them 2.0.


Why they got gov funding for the videos that have been proven to be from them, and proven to be gov funded, and proven to be hoax....well...that is a separate question.

I mean why would the AUS government be interested in funding deliberate faked hoax videos.
One can only guess.



RIGHT NOW>>THIS THREAD IS TO DISCOVER IF THIS VIDEO IS REAL AND NOT A TAMPERED OF CREATED ILLUSION.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRT7lf8byw

Please decalre you positions of arguments below.

Is it real in your opinion...or fake?
 
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The kangaroo is actually a dummy held by an unseen helicopter, The guy isn't really there he's an adobe after effect and lastly the dog is really a drone inside a dog puppet.

Video solved.
 
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esspee said:
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I have studied the footage to find a tell tale give away of fake.

I have no found one.

Maybe the grass does not move how i would expect, but its a telephoto coverage, so it will alaways look a bot wrong.

What I base my doubts on are ..


1. Exposition. The story is to well told by the footage. The story is too clean.

2. The camera work. I have been a camera man for several years. When real good **** goes down you can almost guarantee something will not be right. Your camera will not be turned on, your focus will **** out, things will never run perfect. You may even **** up yourself due to excitement. On this video everything is so so so perfect you could not wish for anything better. This video should be used as an advert for the camera and lens in use.

3. Its all linked to a go fund me.




hmmm remember those guys out of of Australia that got AUS gov funding to produce fake viral videos?
Remember those dudes.
I think this is them 2.0.


Why they got gov funding for the videos that have been proven to be from them, and proven to be gov funded, and proven to be hoax....well...that is a separate question.

I mean why would the AUS government be interested in funding deliberate faked hoax videos.
One can only guess.



RIGHT NOW>>THIS THREAD IS TO DISCOVER IF THIS VIDEO IS REAL AND NOT A TAMPERED OF CREATED ILLUSION.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRT7lf8byw

Please decalre you positions of arguments below.

Is it real in your opinion...or fake?
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How is it a conspiracy?
 
It's fake because it doesn't look fake? Plus some added conspiracy? Not convincing.
How did they fake it then? CGI roo and dog, better than what you see in movies with budgets in the hundreds of millions? The kangaroo was bought off with cash?

If you want to claim it's fake, you're going to need evidence.
You admit you don't have any, and are forced to come up with some kind of sinister ulterior motive to prop up your claim. Classic CT.

The GoFundMe was set up months ago, but the video only came out after the man whose medical costs it was set up to cover had already died... Real marketing geniuses indeed.

What evidence do you have that does not rely on character assassination?
Wait, I know, none.
 
It's real, and not entirely uncommon in Australia. I know of several guys who hunt ferals who dont mind boxing on with a roo from time to time.

Gotta be careful though because the big boys will kill you.

To give you an idea of how tough a big male can be, I put 3, 30-06 rounds into the chest of one once, and he simply stood there and glared at me like he was about to rip my head off. Took a .243 to the head to stop him raging at the ute.
 
devnull said:
It's real, and not entirely uncommon in Australia. I know of several guys who hunt ferals who dont mind boxing on with a roo from time to time.

Gotta be careful though because the big boys will kill you.

To give you an idea of how tough a big male can be, I put 3, 30-06 rounds into the chest of one once, and he simply stood there and glared at me like he was about to rip my head off. Took a .243 to the head to stop him raging at the ute.
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you must know some hard boys.

All up I've spent about 15 months in OZ, most of that working on farms, the rest living on or very close to them.

Ive been within 'punching distance' myself of one ( actually a group) and the last thing on my mind was striking one. Although i also knew not to run away/

The guys i knew had always warned me about *********** with kangaroos and the danger they pose....namely, if you get in close, they kick you with their feet which have sharp claws, and basically hte result is your intestines spill out onto the floor.




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Ya, these guys are modern day velociraptors. It's quite an experience getting up close enough to get a good view of the claws. However, you have presented no evidence of this being a hoax or even staged. Plenty of people do dangerous, stupid things all the time.

The problem here is that you are basing your "intuition". There are perhaps hundreds of millions of videos recorded every day. Out of the many billions of videos recorded every year, some record events that are quite unlikely. This video is truly a one in a billion shot. Your argument is akin to saying that no one could every win the lottery because it's so unlikely for any one individual to win.

Not only that, but it's not an unlikely event, kangaroo dog attacks are common enough to be captured on video quite often:



And people punch kangaroos quite often:




Yes, the video is insufficient evidence to say it absolutely 100% happened that way and wasn't staged or faked in some way. But, there is absolutely no reason to doubt the video.
 
Fundamentally uncharacteristic of Australians to just haul off and punch something. Totally fake.
 
Fake. The dingo was wearing a jaunty outfit, totally uncharacteristic for the breed.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
The kangaroo is actually a dummy held by an unseen helicopter, The guy isn't really there he's an adobe after effect and lastly the dog is really a drone inside a dog puppet.

Video solved.
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I disagree. The kangaroo is clearly an Indonesian actor called Steve. He's trying to get more work, as there won't be so much demand for his Obama impersonations in the future.
 
I was dirrected here from another thread and expected parody but shocked to find it real.

As with your other threads we have silly arguments based on personal incredulity. Get a grip.
 
It's a false flag operation intended to distract the media from the real story, which is that Bigfoot will be taking on the duties of First Lady.
 
esspee said:
you must know some hard boys.

All up I've spent about 15 months in OZ, most of that working on farms, the rest living on or very close to them.

Ive been within 'punching distance' myself of one ( actually a group) and the last thing on my mind was striking one. Although i also knew not to run away/

The guys i knew had always warned me about *********** with kangaroos and the danger they pose....namely, if you get in close, they kick you with their feet which have sharp claws, and basically hte result is your intestines spill out onto the floor.




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Even boys from the city who never go bush romanticise the hard rural lifestyle. It's in the blood for many. I believe these guys were hunting pigs with the dogs, which only bail the pigs up. When this happens someone will rush in and shoot the pig or maybe more commonly stick the pig with a knife. These boys were in a hurry to help the dog before the pig opened the animal up with its razor-sharp tusks, necessitating taking out their needle and thread kit to sew up gaping wounds. Punching a roo is a relative walk in the park.
 
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esspee said:
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I have studied the footage to find a tell tale give away of fake.

I have no found one.

Maybe the grass does not move how i would expect, but its a telephoto coverage, so it will alaways look a bot wrong.

What I base my doubts on are ..


1. Exposition. The story is to well told by the footage. The story is too clean.

2. The camera work. I have been a camera man for several years. When real good **** goes down you can almost guarantee something will not be right. Your camera will not be turned on, your focus will **** out, things will never run perfect. You may even **** up yourself due to excitement. On this video everything is so so so perfect you could not wish for anything better. This video should be used as an advert for the camera and lens in use.

3. Its all linked to a go fund me.




hmmm remember those guys out of of Australia that got AUS gov funding to produce fake viral videos?
Remember those dudes.
I think this is them 2.0.


Why they got gov funding for the videos that have been proven to be from them, and proven to be gov funded, and proven to be hoax....well...that is a separate question.

I mean why would the AUS government be interested in funding deliberate faked hoax videos.
One can only guess.



RIGHT NOW>>THIS THREAD IS TO DISCOVER IF THIS VIDEO IS REAL AND NOT A TAMPERED OF CREATED ILLUSION.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRT7lf8byw

Please decalre you positions of arguments below.

Is it real in your opinion...or fake?
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I don't know if it was faked or not, but the look on the 'roo's face was priceless. The phrase, "Oh, no, you didn't!"
 
"Look! Here is a video showing a comparatively mundane reality that no one in their right mind would ever try to fake! If I argue that it's 'likey fake', tens of people will bicker with me for tens of pages, thereby giving me the attention I crave and undeservedly believe is owed!"
 
JesseCuster said:
Can you explain this in a bit more detail?
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Telephoto lenses compress the depth plane in the image so things never really quite look right, or rather they do not appear naturally in a way similar to our eyes.

Here is a quick basic example: http://www.artandstructure.com/photography/artofpho/wntlines.jpg

The greater the zoom the more prominent this effect becomes.

On video the effect is more prominent and can look wierder because things do not move in relation to each other in the way we would expect or be used to - so the video itself can look a bit 'off'.

Its quite common among 'hoaxtards' to put forth videos or photos as being 'doctored' and 'fake' when they are not, because they are not aware of this effect and how it can make video appear.

It kind of messes up our sense of perceptive, and it can make things appear 'out of place' and separate to the scene.


Like i said - its mostly with video when it can seem weird.



If you want more detail on this google "telephoto compression" or I would imagine there are people on this thread who may be able to explain it better than i have.


ON the flip side - a lot of ACTUAL fake videos take advantage of this.

Think of any cheezy fake viral video or fake ufo video.

Often you will, at the start, get a ZOOM into the action using a telephoto lens.

It is a lot easier to fake convincing footage that has very little depth to the scene as opposed to say a wide angle video full of changes in perspective and with a lot of depth.

For some reason it seems it is harder to get the 'feel' right with fake footage when a lot of perspective changes are occurring such as with standard non zoomed frame to work in.



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Hokulele said:
"Look! Here is a wildly popular video! If I am publically obnoxious about it, I will become wildly popular too!"
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No, just trying to make a point which will become much clearer when/if this hoax is busted. (when!)

Video manipulation and media manipulation is streets ahead of the average viewers ability to perceive its fakeness.

Also, its a tech that is in an exponential growth phase - ie each new hoax takes lessons learned off the last one, so they are getting more and more convincing and effective at fooling people every time.
 
esspee said:
No, just trying to make a point which will become much clearer when/if this hoax is busted. (when!)

Video manipulation and media manipulation is streets ahead of the average viewers ability to perceive its fakeness.
Also, its a tech that is in an exponential growth phase - ie each new hoax takes lessons learned off the last one, so they are getting more and more convincing and effective at fooling people every time.
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Does "media manipulation" include text? Are people who write fake things getting better at it too?

Like, say someone took on a controversial position but didn't actually believe what they claimed. Is that still fairly easy to spot, or has the exponential curve of convincing lies already passed that point, so that naive readers like me don't have a chance?
 
marplots said:
Does "media manipulation" include text? Are people who write fake things getting better at it too?

Like, say someone took on a controversial position but didn't actually believe what they claimed. Is that still fairly easy to spot, or has the exponential curve of convincing lies already passed that point, so that naive readers like me don't have a chance?
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I mean media as in The News etc ( not media ; as in ' the medium' )

I m saying the people behind the production of these fake viral videos ( many fake viral videos exist and have been proven as such ) are very much interested in manipulating the mainstream media system of tv news and newspapers etc and even google

The ultimate goal IMO for these hoaxers is to fool the Big Media boys.

ie - if you get a spot on the nightly news, or a main article on a 'reputable' well known news website - then that is a home run.

And I am saying that they are getting better at this. Firstly in their choice of content or 'script' for their hoaxes, and secondly in creating fake 'paper trails' and fake back stories.

Finally they are getting better at manipulating search engines ( google ) by burying "Beringer's Lying Stones" all over the internet to make the hoaxes seem more legit.

;)
 
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esspee said:
...Ive been within 'punching distance' myself of one ( actually a group) and the last thing on my mind was striking one. Although i also knew not to run away.../
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This should be good.

Ok, why is it important not to run away from a kangaroo?

Not being predators, they are not going to chase you down and rip your throat out. So what is they the danger you "knew" not to run from?
 
EHocking said:
This should be good.

Ok, why is it important not to run away from a kangaroo?

Not being predators, they are not going to chase you down and rip your throat out. So what is they the danger you "knew" not to run from?
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Instinct.

I was lying down on the floor at the time.

Standing up may have alarmed or threatened the one that next to me.

I am no Kangaroo expert, but I do agree they likely won;t rip your throat out.

But they may kick your guts out onto the floor though, kick your ribs into your lungs, snap your spine with a single kick, or literally kick your balls off.
 
esspee said:
Telephoto lenses compress the depth plane in the image so things never really quite look right, or rather they do not appear naturally in a way similar to our eyes.<snip>
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I'm well aware of all that. I don't think photos or video taken with telephoto lenses 'look a bit wrong' and I'd be wary of using the phrase 'looks a bit wrong' to describe it in a thread that's accusing it of being faked as people are going to assume that you're implying it has something to do with the accusation that it's a fake.
 
esspee said:
Instinct.
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And we're all aware of how well that worked for you with your other "hoax" instincts.:rolleyes:
I was lying down on the floor at the time.

Standing up may have alarmed or threatened the one that next to me.

I am no Kangaroo expert, but I do agree they likely won;t rip your throat out.

But they may kick your guts out onto the floor though, kick your ribs into your lungs, snap your spine with a single kick, or literally kick your balls off.
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Literally?
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They are kangaroos, not polar bears.
Anyone who needs to big up the danger of an encounter with a kangaroo really has serious personal image issues.
You were in more danger lying in the grass with the Taipans and Funnel Webs than you were standing next to Skippy.
 
EHocking said:
And we're all aware of how well that worked for you with your other "hoax" instincts.:rolleyes:
Literally?
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They are kangaroos, not polar bears.
Anyone who needs to big up the danger of an encounter with a kangaroo really has serious personal image issues.
You were in more danger lying in the grass with the Taipans and Funnel Webs than you were standing next to Skippy.
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I was in no danger, and did not claim to be. I knew how to play it.

I'm too pretty to have personal image issues.
 
esspee said:
All up I've spent about 15 months in OZ, most of that working on farms, the rest living on or very close to them. I've been within 'punching distance' myself of one ( actually a group) and the last thing on my mind was striking one. Although i also knew not to run away.
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Run away is exactly what you should do. Kangaroos balance on their tail and "gut you" using their powerful hind legs. To try punch a big kangaroo is exposing yourself to be gutted. You can see the kangaroo in the video positioning himself to do exactly that.

The "boxing Kangaroo" meme is from 1891. Idiots still try do this. The best anti-Australian culture movie is "Wake In Fright" (1971) which has a disgusting scene of drunk Aussies hunting down kangaroos at night and trying to slit their throats.

In reality Kangaroos are lovely passive animals. Not very bright, but lovely anyway.
 
EHocking said:
..... next to Skippy.
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Hang on there. Skippy is totally different. Every Australian who watched Skippy, as a kid, knows Skippy could solve problems, open doors, fly Jerry's helicopter and use Clancy's Shortwave radio to summons help.

Yep. Skip was one smart Kangaroo.

(....what? what do you mean Skippy wasn't a documentary series? ....who said that? ):eye-poppi

Skippy to the rescue!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3HkUKoGoc4
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Run away is exactly what you should do. Kangaroos balance on their tail and "gut you" using their powerful hind legs. To try punch a big kangaroo is exposing yourself to be gutted. You can see the kangaroo in the video positioning himself to do exactly that.

The "boxing Kangaroo" meme is from 1891. Idiots still try do this. The best anti-Australian culture movie is "Wake In Fright" (1971) which has a disgusting scene of drunk Aussies hunting down kangaroos at night and trying to slit their throats.

In reality Kangaroos are lovely passive animals. Not very bright, but lovely anyway.
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I was trying to reconcile the use of "gutted" with "lovely passive animal." At first it was challenging. And then I remembered this was Australia we were talking about. In case anyone forgot, that's the country where a noted animal filmmaker was stabbed to death by a fish. So, relative to all the other animals, a murderous kangaroo is fairly tame.
 
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