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The other threads are either too general or too specific.

To start with, I'm cataloging some old news. These are the different times that Trump claimed to have a direct relationship with Putin.

Nov 2013
Roberts: Do you have a relationship with Vladimir Putin? A conversational relationship or anything that you feel you have sway or influence over his government?
Trump: I do have a relationship, and I can tell you that he's very interested in what we're doing here today.

May 2014
Trump: I spoke, indirectly and directly, with President Putin.

Oct 2015
Savage: Have you ever met Vladimir Putin?
Trump: Yes.
Savage: You have?
Trump: Yes a long time ago. We got along great.

And then of course, his infamous change of tune in Sept 2015, pre-dating the Savage interview?! Can that be right?
Trump said:
I have no relationship to -- with him [Putin]. I have no relationship with him.
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I have no relationship with him. I don't -- I've never met him. … I have no relationship with Putin. I don't think I've ever met him. I never met him.
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I have never spoken to him on the phone, no.
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This is incredibly bizarre no matter the facts.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Saw those clips back to back yesterday on the news. The blatant dishonesty is stunning.

The web of relationships between Team Trump and Russia has a nice diagram.
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Thanks for that, I'll try to give it a read later but I saved the diagram for reference... it's a convoluted situation.

Maddow has her teeth in this story, I hope she keeps it up next week.
The Cyprus bank/new Commerce Sec Ross angle is one of the latest.
 
shemp said:
It's all been ginned up by the lying fake news media! Trump has never spoken to any foreigners! Putin doesn't exist!
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You took the words out of my mouth. See, the butthurt elitist SJW's are all butthurt. And elitist. They keep whining about how if somebody flatly contradicts themselves every single day of their entire lives, that means that person is a liar. That's fake news...#fakenews
 
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I'm as tired of hearing "Russia" as I was of hearing "emails."

What I don't get:

How Justice supposedly got information that presumably came from Russian security (Flynn's talks with ambassador).

What caused Trump to finally say he was convinced that meddling in the U.S. presidential race came from Russia.

Trump got where he is by inheriting money, running his mouth and appealing to a populist streak in voters. Putin got where he is by killing all his enemies. Trump is fundamentally outmatched and has no idea. I'm sure billions of dollars are flying around and maybe I should be more concerned about that, but unless Putin is sending pallets of cash directly to Trump, my post-election fatigue is edging out my curiosity.

ETA: If I had the radio on and only heard the words "Sergey Kislyak," I'd probably think they were talking about a hockey player.
 
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Sorry, I know this is serious, but if there's a pee-pee video can the ka-ka one be far behind?
 
Minoosh said:
I'm as tired of hearing "Russia" as I was of hearing "emails."

What I don't get:

How Justice supposedly got information that presumably came from Russian security (Flynn's talks with ambassador).

What caused Trump to finally say he was convinced that meddling in the U.S. presidential race came from Russia.

Trump got where he is by inheriting money, running his mouth and appealing to a populist streak in voters. Putin got where he is by killing all his enemies. Trump is fundamentally outmatched and has no idea. I'm sure billions of dollars are flying around and maybe I should be more concerned about that, but unless Putin is sending pallets of cash directly to Trump, my post-election fatigue is edging out my curiosity.

ETA: If I had the radio on and only heard the words "Sergey Kislyak," I'd probably think they were talking about a hockey player.
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The Russia connection is tremendously important not for putting a thumb on the scale in the election... but for what they'll (read Putin) want down the road.

Make no mistake... we can be cordial with Russia (read Putin), we can be trading partners with Russia, we can make treaties and agreements with Russia, but Russia's national interests and those of the US are not, and probably will never be, in close alignment.

There are any number of areas where they would like a free hand and US interests, alliances and muscle are all that stands in the way.

This administration is now chock full of wealthy and influential people who have made millions (billions?) through the good graces of, you guessed it... V. Putin. Besides the rape of the US environmental and financial landscapes to come... what favors are they going to do for Russia? (Keep in mind... in many of these areas of interest for Putin, US inaction is all he needs.)

This isn't some Rothschild's/NWO CT... it's much simpler than that.
It's just very wealthy people, using their positions to stay that way. Citizenry be damned. And this new bromance looks to be very profitable.

But given how outclassed Trump is in this match-up... I suspect it's the US citizens who'll get the shorter end of that stick.
 
Its time for a full & thorough investigation into all things Russian.

Communications with the Trump campaign, FBI investigations into Trump, etc etc etc.
 
logger said:
We know what the **** is going on, liberals are desperate! And once again, as they always have, they will fail! ;)
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Liberals didn't force Trump to slander former President Obama this morning. That's all on him.

We need an investigation to look into all of this. Trump's claims against Obama, and all other things dealing with Russia and the Trump campaign.
 
C_Felix said:
I'm fighting my eyelids...I did my best to read this...but I think I skipped quite a bit.

Either way...Your millage may vary...

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/
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The thing is, all of that was in the news at the time, for example that is a Nov 2016 cite. It's only now Trump is surprised and half the country has not bothered to Google related news.

Not to mention, you'd think the idiots in the Trump camp might have taken measures at the time. Yet some of Flynn's calls to the Russian ambassador were in Jan, weren't they? Surely they were at least as late as Dec.
 
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If the FISA warrant isn't public information because its an ongoing investigation, and Trump learned about the wiretapping from Breitbart, how did Breitbart get confirmation of the wiretapping/FISA warrant?
 
I have had to move a shed load of posts from this thread either for Rule 11 or Rule 0 and/or Rule 12. Quite a few posts have been moved because they were responding to posts that breached a rule. The topic of this thread is well defined in the title of the thread. Keep to the topic.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The thing is, all of that was in the news at the time, for example that is a Nov 2016 cite. It's only now Trump is surprised and half the country has not bothered to Google related news.
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That's why all of these right-wing "ZOMG did Obama do something illegal?!" articles being published now are laughable ********. At the time, they didn't think the news items they cite were signs the Obama Administration did anything illegal (they instead focused on denials from the Trump camp that they were involved with the server being investigated or crowing that the investigations turned up nothing and so Trump was vindicated).

This is strictly about trying to grasp at any straw they can to justify Trump's twitter rant after the fact, even if they have to contradict themselves now on what they were saying back then.
 
Interestingly, after Watergate, several of Nixon's staff went to prison. Nixon didn't. If I was working for Trump now, I'd be getting ready to do a deal.
 
A'isha said:
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This is strictly about trying to grasp at any straw they can to justify Trump's twitter rant after the fact, even if they have to contradict themselves now on what they were saying back then.
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The news media continues the same pattern like an abused spouse, no matter how many times Trump makes an outrageous unsupported claim via Twitter, the press makes a big story of it, (OK sort of), but then they continue with hours and hours of analysis and punditry as if the Tweet was anything other than blatant nonsense.

And as usual, they use the same formula, be sure to have a Trump spokesperson on the panel to argue straw men and false equivalencies and never sufficiently point those out.

Trumpsters have their talking points memos, look at Pelosi and Schumer talking to Russians. Never mind the circumstances of Sessions' denials were about meetings that were in the previous months to his confirmation hearing, Pelosi's was more than a decade earlier and the Russian ambassador was at a large table of participants. Shumer's meeting with Putin was at a public photo-op.

Sessions claim about what he did talk about wasn't credible given the setting and the circumstances surrounding the meeting.

Now they have Obama making an inconvenient comment when he thought the mike was off. Well, that was a news headline scandal the GOP took advantage of at the time. And again, we aren't just talking Trump telling the ambassador to wait until Trump was POTUS and he'd address the sanctions, there is also that entire layer of Russia interfering in the election. It's not that Trump said he'd revisit the sanctions, it's also that there is evidence of potential collusion in the Russian interference in the election.
 
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