Dear Leader Makes More Mischief Before US/China Summit

dudalb said:
Pretty predictable move by North Korea, keep the pot stirring.
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The open question, though, is how hard they want to stir it. Will Kim do another nuclear test? That's about as provocative as he can be without actually attacking anyone.
 
I dunno, I think we should be goading North Korea into doing this every week. It has to be brutal on their already fragile economy to waste resources this way, this regime could collapse just from being under too much pressure to keep up the bluster.
 
Ziggurat said:
The open question, though, is how hard they want to stir it. Will Kim do another nuclear test? That's about as provocative as he can be without actually attacking anyone.
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And the thing it, being before a China/US summit, it is provocative to China as well as the usual suspects. Puzzling move,since China is the one country NK cannot afford to alienate.
 
dudalb said:
And the thing it, being before a China/US summit, it is provocative to China as well as the usual suspects. Puzzling move,since China is the one country NK cannot afford to alienate.
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and from all indications, China is eager to align with Trump on reining in Pyongyang. Because a nightmare for many American analysts has always been a DPRK capable of hitting the West coast.
 
Mycroft said:
I dunno, I think we should be goading North Korea into doing this every week. It has to be brutal on their already fragile economy to waste resources this way, this regime could collapse just from being under too much pressure to keep up the bluster.
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Plus it gives team Dump even more opportunities to explain how foreign troublemakers wouldn't dare pull the shenanigans they pulled on weak-ass Obama, on their watch.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
and from all indications, China is eager to align with Trump on reining in Pyongyang. Because a nightmare for many American analysts has always been a DPRK capable of hitting the West coast.
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China doesn't want THAD in South Korea, among other issues, so it would be smarter to talk about stepping that up rather than threatening to attack North Korea. China would probably, on some level, like the US attacking (depending on who is backing who on the committee this week) as a way to distract it's population with external enemies (which is part of the reason for the South China sea nastiness). But it would be bad for the US and South Korea.

There are so many spanners in the works here. China is South Korea's largest trading partner, and they like to use the stick a lot more than the carrot against them. I'm kind of baffled anyone is trying to do business with China anymore. Sure the market is huge, but the pitfalls are massive.
 
Jules Galen said:
Won't happen. Until the US removes its troops from South Korea, North Korea will do as it pleases forever.
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Because China is so afraid of being invaded by the United States through North Korea.

Oh wait, wasn't China going to kick our asses with their new fighter and aircraft carrier?

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Mycroft said:
Because China is so afraid of being invaded by the United States through North Korea.

Oh wait, wasn't China going to kick our asses with their new fighter and aircraft carrier?

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China kicked the US's tail out of North Korea in 1950-51. They can do it again...even better, next time.
 
dudalb said:
And the thing it, being before a China/US summit, it is provocative to China as well as the usual suspects. Puzzling move,since China is the one country NK cannot afford to alienate.
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For Kim, China isn't simply an ally. Kim is probably always worried about the possibility of a coup against him, and in this respect, China poses a bigger threat to him than South Korea. He's more likely to end up dead because of plots hatched in Beijing than Seoul. He can't push China nearly as much as he can push South Korea because he does need them, but it's not all hugs and kisses.
 
Jules Galen said:
China kicked the US's tail out of North Korea in 1950-51. They can do it again...even better, next time.
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You really act like a cheerleader for China, but have you given any thought to how it worked out for the North Koreans?

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Mycroft said:
You really act like a cheerleader for China, but have you given any thought to how it worked out for the North Koreans?

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I think you just don't want to see the truth. China is no Iraq or Iran or Libya - the US will not treat china with contempt. For example, the US watched 60,000 of its soldiers die in Vietnam, yet still wouldn't invade North Vietnam even though that choice insured the Vietnam War was lost: the US was that wary of China's power.

Now, the Warhawks like to remind everyone that the US has the biggest, baddest military on the planet - and it does. But even though the US has the most powerful military in the world, it can not intimidate every one - and China is one that is not going to back down.

The sooner you accept this reality, the more clearly you will think.
 
dudalb said:
And about a minute after the US pulls it troops out, North Korea will chance it and invade.
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Invade with what? Their totally out-of-date military they can't even adequately feed?

If after 70 years of US help South Korea can't handle North Korea, then South Korea is a failed state.
 
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Jules Galen said:
I think you just don't want to see the truth. China is no Iraq or Iran or Libya - the US will not treat china with contempt. For example, the US watched 60,000 of its soldiers die in Vietnam, yet still wouldn't invade North Vietnam even though that choice insured the Vietnam War was lost: the US was that wary of China's power.

Now, the Warhawks like to remind everyone that the US has the biggest, baddest military on the planet - and it does. But even though the US has the most powerful military in the world, it can not intimidate every one - and China is one that is not going to back down.

The sooner you accept this reality, the more clearly you will think.
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Um, North Vietnam was backed by the Soviets, not so much by the Chinese.

However, the Chinese are not to be taken lightly. They are not a direct threat to the US, they are not going to attack the US mainland but they will defend what they consider their turf and that includes their brain-damaged little cousin, North Korea.
 
Jules Galen said:
I think you just don't want to see the truth. insert pre-recorded blabbering...
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All stuff you've said before, none of it addresses the question I asked.

What are your thoughts on how it worked out for North Koreans?
 
Mycroft said:
All stuff you've said before, none of it addresses the question I asked.

What are your thoughts on how it worked out for North Koreans?
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What? the North koreans got their tails kicked until China stepped in? Or...North Korea didn't end up "happily-ever-after" post war?

Anyways...what's it matter now?

I say, pull out the American Troops and let North and South Korea figure it out by themselves. The US had meddled enough.
 
Spindrift said:
Um, North Vietnam was backed by the Soviets, not so much by the Chinese.

However, the Chinese are not to be taken lightly. They are not a direct threat to the US, they are not going to attack the US mainland but they will defend what they consider their turf and that includes their brain-damaged little cousin, North Korea.
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True, but theymight think that they would be better off with somebody other then Dear Leader or his followers as the head of North Korea.........
 
Jules Galen said:
What? the North koreans got their tails kicked until China stepped in? Or...North Korea didn't end up "happily-ever-after" post war?

Anyways...what's it matter now?

I say, pull out the American Troops and let North and South Korea figure it out by themselves. The US had meddled enough.
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Isolationism. That worked out so great in the 1930's.....
 
dudalb said:
True, but theymight think that they would be better off with somebody other then Dear Leader or his followers as the head of North Korea.........
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The problem for China is getting rid of Dear Leader may be a simple task but the results of that removal could be disastrous.

The Dear Leader is basically a living god in that country. You ever see how people burst into tears (of joy? reverence?) at the sight of him and previously with his father and grandfather.

The country is one gigantic cult. You can't just remove their god-head and plop in someone new who's not the god-in-waiting without massive upheaval.
 
dudalb said:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-fires-missile-east-china-sea-south-korea-n742731

Pretty predictable move by North Korea, keep the pot stirring.
Problem is that it is an embarrassment for both China and the US, and NK might end up getting the US and China on the same page on NK..which would not be good for North Korea.
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That might not be good for the current NK regime, but it would be good for the North Koreans. Virtually any other regime is an improvement for the North Koreans. The only risk is a change which puts the country into chaos.
 
ddt said:
That might not be good for the current NK regime, but it would be good for the North Koreans. Virtually any other regime is an improvement for the North Koreans. The only risk is a change which puts the country into chaos.
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You may have a point. In fact, in most cases I would agree 100%. But...seeing that the main form of governance in North Korea is centered about keeping the people starving and miserable, could a little Chaos be any worse?

I mean, Chaos is bad, but not necessarily purposivly bad - unlike North korea where being bad is a government policy.
 
Jules Galen said:
You may have a point. In fact, in most cases I would agree 100%. But...seeing that the main form of governance in North Korea is centered about keeping the people starving and miserable, could a little Chaos be any worse?

I mean, Chaos is bad, but not necessarily purposivly bad - unlike North korea where being bad is a government policy.
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A little chaos? Regime change in North Korea will be accompanied by more than just a little chaos.
 
Spindrift said:
The problem for China is getting rid of Dear Leader may be a simple task but the results of that removal could be disastrous.

The Dear Leader is basically a living god in that country. You ever see how people burst into tears (of joy? reverence?) at the sight of him and previously with his father and grandfather.

The country is one gigantic cult. You can't just remove their god-head and plop in someone new who's not the god-in-waiting without massive upheaval.
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I am not sure that Dear Leader is as beloved by the masses as you think. Of course the regime is going to project that image. That does not mean it's accurate.
 
dudalb said:
I am not sure that Dear Leader is as beloved by the masses as you think. Of course the regime is going to project that image. That does not mean it's accurate.
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For over 60 years North Korea has been worshipping the current Kim in charge. They've been indoctrinated from birth to believe he's their Savior. They've never heard a bad word about him. Everything bad that happens is America's fault or the fault of the latest to be executed. Their Great/Dear/Supreme Leader is the reason they have anything! Like any religion there are believers and non-believers but I would think the believers are a majority.
 
Spindrift said:
For over 60 years North Korea has been worshipping the current Kim in charge. They've been indoctrinated from birth to believe he's their Savior. They've never heard a bad word about him. Everything bad that happens is America's fault or the fault of the latest to be executed. Their Great/Dear/Supreme Leader is the reason they have anything! Like any religion there are believers and non-believers but I would think the believers are a majority.
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I doubt it. If Kim were such a worshipped God, then he wouldn't need top rule with so much force.
 
Jules Galen said:
You may have a point. In fact, in most cases I would agree 100%. But...seeing that the main form of governance in North Korea is centered about keeping the people starving and miserable, could a little Chaos be any worse?

I mean, Chaos is bad, but not necessarily purposivly bad - unlike North korea where being bad is a government policy.
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Given that there are still North Koreans, the starving could be worse. Chaos could jeopardize what little there is of food distribution. Do you want to really see the population of Pyongyang dying in the streets?

Spindrift said:
A little chaos? Regime change in North Korea will be accompanied by more than just a little chaos.
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Palace coups can be quite orderly. I take your point about the veneration for the Kim family, though you may be overestimating it. But you can always concoct a good story. And didn't Fatty have a long-lost brother or cousin who emigrated?
 
ddt said:
That might not be good for the current NK regime, but it would be good for the North Koreans. Virtually any other regime is an improvement for the North Koreans. The only risk is a change which puts the country into chaos.
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Depends on how many people the regime plans on taking with them on the way out.
 
I am betting that Dear Leader is upset that Assad's gas attack in Syria took away all of his press.
 
Someones really need to prepare hundreds of thousands of small air dispersed pictures of dear leader having relations with a donkey - receiving not pitching!!!! And release them on a major wind heading into NK - very high up!!!

Could be done for the Trumpf also!!!
 
Jules Galen said:
Invade with what? Their totally out-of-date military they can't even adequately feed?

If after 70 years of US help South Korea can't handle North Korea, then South Korea is a failed state.
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You are forgetting two assets that make North Korea a dangerous state. A lack of morals/rules of engagement and chemical weapons aplenty that have been tested for use in humans. Those chemical weapons are designed to kill humans. The guinea pigs were the prisoners of the concentration camps and can be attached to missiles. North Korea has two satellites orbiting over the United States as well that possibly contain EMP weaponry that will put us into the stone age.
 
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ddt said:
Given that there are still North Koreans, the starving could be worse. Chaos could jeopardize what little there is of food distribution. Do you want to really see the population of Pyongyang dying in the streets?


Palace coups can be quite orderly. I take your point about the veneration for the Kim family, though you may be overestimating it. But you can always concoct a good story. And didn't Fatty have a long-lost brother or cousin who emigrated?
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Fatty's brother left North Korea, but he was murdered by Kim.
 
Possibly the worst thing has happened -- the missile test after the parade and buildup has failed. Now he will figure he has to do something to save face.
 
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