Hilary Clinton - Misogyny caused my loss!

"Certainly, misogyny played a role. That has to be admitted," she said. Clinton added that "some people — women included — had real problems" with the idea of a woman president."
 
applecorped said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/misogyny-played-role-election-loss-clinton-233904460.html


"Hillary Clinton said Thursday that misogyny "certainly" played a role in her bruising defeat to Donald Trump in last year's US presidential election, giving her first public interview since that shock loss."

No personal accountability.
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The Don said:
Well apart from...


:rolleyes:
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Congratulations, apple. You just showed that you only read the part of the article that agreed with you.
 
True fact: Trump won by exploiting the bigotry and hatred of a lot of different groups, including misogynists. It's easy to say that a lot of people wanted a change, but it's impossible to understand how so many people could fall for such an obvious liar and self-absorbed conman without understanding that they were blinded by their own hatred. Trump voters have disgraced America.
 
WilliamSeger said:
True fact: Trump won by exploiting the bigotry and hatred of a lot of different groups, including misogynists. It's easy to say that a lot of people wanted a change, but it's impossible to understand how so many people could fall for such an obvious liar and self-absorbed conman without understanding that they were blinded by their own hatred. Trump voters have disgraced America.
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I'm not sure you can say that he won because of this, since his numbers were not higher than Romney's or previous GOP candidates'. The problem was mainly Hillary's low numbers in the states where it would've counted.
 
Argumemnon said:
I'm not sure you can say that he won because of this, since his numbers were not higher than Romney's or previous GOP candidates'. The problem was mainly Hillary's low numbers in the states where it would've counted.
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The same ones she called 'deplorables'.
 
Argumemnon said:
The ones she called deplorables were already voting for Trump. What are you saying?
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That she was contemptuous of the electorate. They might be deplorable, but she didn't do herself any favors by calling them that, I don't see how that guy got elected, but It's not hard to see how she didn't.
 
applecorped said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/misogyny-played-role-election-loss-clinton-233904460.html


"Hillary Clinton said Thursday that misogyny "certainly" played a role in her bruising defeat to Donald Trump in last year's US presidential election, giving her first public interview since that shock loss."

No personal accountability.
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Omg Hills, would you shut the eff up! It was you calling half the country deplorables and how you were gonna bury them because they didn't matter to your Glorious Future!

Nobody was sitting around saying no female president because female! What a maroon.
 
applecorped said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/misogyny-played-role-election-loss-clinton-233904460.html


"Hillary Clinton said Thursday that misogyny "certainly" played a role in her bruising defeat to Donald Trump in last year's US presidential election, giving her first public interview since that shock loss."

No personal accountability.
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I would say that Hillary was quite correct.

I know that I encountered quite a few people who hated the idea of a female president. Just like I encountered quite a few people who hated the idea of a black man being president.
 
John Jones said:
That she was contemptuous of the electorate. They might be deplorable, but she didn't do herself any favors by calling them that, I don't see how that guy got elected, but It's not hard to see how she didn't.
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You say that as if Trump wasn't contemptuous of the electorate as well.
 
Beerina said:
Omg Hills, would you shut the eff up! It was you calling half the country deplorables and how you were gonna bury them because they didn't matter to your Glorious Future!

Nobody was sitting around saying no female president because female! What a maroon.
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Which of course she didn't
 
Misogyny no doubt did play some role. Was that alone responsible for her electoral college loss (lets not forget she won the popular vote handily - how is that investigation into voter fraud coming along anyway,...).

Highly unlikely.

There were lots of reasons Hillary didn't pull it off and Hillary is the #1 reason. She was a flawed and highly unpopular candidate to be sure, but so was her main opponent. The real problem I think was that Hillary and her team were so convinced they had this one in the bag they completely neglected to find out what it was voters wanted and why. Hillary in the final weeks in particular had reduced her campaign to don't vote for him, giving no reason why anyone should vote for her.
 
Beerina said:
Omg Hills, would you shut the eff up! It was you calling half the country deplorables and how you were gonna bury them because they didn't matter to your Glorious Future!

Nobody was sitting around saying no female president because female! What a maroon.
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Of course most of them were not saying it out loud, just quietly among friends and families - even the worst among them know you use code words to keep from being marginalized and made fun of by your betters. But, in their bars and rotaries and kiwanises and chambers of commerces etc. they were certainly saying it proud and loud. I have known those people. Some were relatives.
 
Argumemnon said:
And as Uke said, they were already voting for Trump, so I don't understand your logic.
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It's something like this: She didn't get enough electoral college votes to win the presidency, even though she was clearly more qualified than Trump.

Why? Some people say misogyny. I think they mean sexism instead. I also think it was more personal than that. She was disliked and distrusted by enough of the electorate that it cost her the election.
 
Upchurch said:
You say that as if Trump wasn't contemptuous of the electorate as well.
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Actually Trumpf is contemptuous of anyone who isn't Trumpf but he tolerates those who have money and power hoping he can make more from them!!!!
 
John Jones said:
It's something like this: She didn't get enough electoral college votes to win the presidency, even though she was clearly more qualified than Trump.

Why? Some people say misogyny. I think they mean sexism instead. I also think it was more personal than that. She was disliked and distrusted by enough of the electorate that it cost her the election.
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Yes but that's not what you said earlier. You said she showed contempt towards the electorate. Do you now retract that statement, in light of what's been clarified to you?
 
John Jones said:
It's something like this: She didn't get enough electoral college votes to win the presidency, even though she was clearly more qualified than Trump.

Why? Some people say misogyny. I think they mean sexism instead. I also think it was more personal than that. She was disliked and distrusted by enough of the electorate that it cost her the election.
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Evidence? Seems hard to demonstrate that given she got a lot more votes than Trump.
 
Upchurch said:
You say that as if Trump wasn't contemptuous of the electorate as well.
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No I don't. Trump is an absolutely incompetent jackass who takes his constituency for fools.

There. Have I denounced Trotsky Trump sufficiently?

What I'm saying is that anybody who couldn't beat Trump doesn't deserve to be POTUS. I think the electoral college system was designed to prevent horrors like this last election, but it back-fired this time.
 
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Argumemnon said:
Yes but that's not what you said earlier. You said she showed contempt towards the electorate. Do you now retract that statement, in light of what's been clarified to you?
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No. Predictions of how people would have voted if things were different don't strike me as being in the best skeptical tradition of clarification.
 
Darat said:
Evidence? Seems hard to demonstrate that given she got a lot more votes than Trump.
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If you aren't aware that Hilary Clinton has been a polarizing figure since she showed up on the political radar, I don't think it's worth my time.

Popular votes don't decide POTUS elections. I went to bed on election night fully expecting to have our first woman president-elect. I couldn't believe Trump won.
 
John Jones said:
No. Predictions of how people would have voted if things were different don't strike me as being in the best skeptical tradition of clarification.
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What are you talking about? She called half of Trump voters deplorable. Are you seriously telling me that the people targeted by her comments might have voted differently? Or that people who would've voted for her decided to vote for Trump because they felt like they were the target of the comment?

Seriously, what are you saying here?
 
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