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View Poll Results: How long will UK Prime Minister Theresa May Last?
She'll last a month at most 8 17.78%
She won't last out the week 3 6.67%
She'll last for two weeks 2 4.44%
She'll last until the next Tory Conference in October 2017 20 44.44%
She'll last until the next General Election 8 17.78%
She'll ride out the storm and serve the full term 2 4.44%
Who cares <shrug>? 2 4.44%
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Old 21st June 2017, 12:37 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
I think it more to do with the poison chalice that she has left her successor. Who in their right minds would want to take on the job in these circumstances?
It's a great opportunity for a charismatic Brexiteer. Someone who believes wholeheartedly in the project can come in and give the remoaners a good whipping, end the dithering indecision, take the fight to the bolshy Euros - and other unmentionable foreigners and poofs - and save the United Kingdom with jolly good red, white and blue Brexit. There's not enough self-belief!
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Old 21st June 2017, 12:54 AM   #122
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This is from BBC News.
The Queen will arrive at Parliament in a car, rather than horse-drawn carriage
There will be no royal procession into the House of Lords chamber and the Queen will wear "day dress" rather than robes
Her crown will be driven to the Lords in its own car, but she will wear a hat instead
It is the first state opening with "reduced ceremonial elements" since 1974
This was agreed because of timing issues caused by the snap election - rehearsals clashed with Saturday's Trooping the Colour event
I wonder if this reduction of "ceremonial elements" has been performed at the Queen's initiative, and is intended as a symbolic reprimand to Theresa May. Anyone here knowledgeable about these matters of protocol, and their hidden meanings?

ETA I note also that "Queen's Speech 2017: May promises 'humility'". Well, she has plenty to be humble about. Maybe she's trying to stop the Queen turning up in a minicab, and making the speech wearing jeans and a t-shirt.
Could it just be that she's a lady in her 90's and it's really, really hot at the moment ?
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Old 21st June 2017, 01:03 AM   #123
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Could it just be that she's a lady in her 90's and it's really, really hot at the moment ?
It's Ascot.
This way she can just pop back in the car and zoom off to catch some of the gee-gees without having the kerfuffle of having to get changed.
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Old 21st June 2017, 07:14 AM   #124
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Could it just be that she's a lady in her 90's and it's really, really hot at the moment ?
Of course it could be that, but one is initially inclined to see some motive in this mitigation of ceremony. HM is particularly devoted to her ceremonial duties, after all.
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Did Her Majesty’s hat show her disapprobation of Brexit during her speech? https://twitter.com/federicacocco/st...76291213131776
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Holy Crap! That's almost a little too obvious. It could only really have been more obvious if she literally had an EU flag poking out of her hat.

Given the other breaks from protocol this has to be seen as suspicious.

On another note, no fox hunting. I suppose it demonstrates a gulf between the confidence that May had for the widespread popularity of conservatism and the reality.

I think it should not only be considered a hindsight opinion that it was silly of her to believe she could increase her majority in a meaningful way, if at all, given that it was such a surprise (maybe even to Cameron) that the Tories got a majority in 2015.
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Old 21st June 2017, 08:01 AM   #127
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Could it just be that she's a lady in her 90's and it's really, really hot at the moment ?
I'm a bit of a republican. I really don''t like that we have a monarchy at all. I have no real respect for the position of monarch but actually quite a lot of respect for the lady that's held that office my entire life.

Your assessment above seems entirely reasonable.
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Holy Crap! That's almost a little too obvious. It could only really have been more obvious if she literally had an EU flag poking out of her hat.

Given the other breaks from protocol this has to be seen as suspicious.

On another note, no fox hunting. I suppose it demonstrates a gulf between the confidence that May had for the widespread popularity of conservatism and the reality.

I think it should not only be considered a hindsight opinion that it was silly of her to believe she could increase her majority in a meaningful way, if at all, given that it was such a surprise (maybe even to Cameron) that the Tories got a majority in 2015.
She was reportedly in favour of Brexit.

She fits the demographic and her memories of influence in the 50's and now both Britain's, and hers would be most obvious to her. It would be hard to not draw emotional conclusions in her position
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Frankie Boyle was absolutely lacerating with some of his comments on May in his latest show. Hes fast becoming the closest thing we have to an actual political commentator in this country. Odd that he gets away with it on the BBC.
"Actual political commentator" meaning "Somebody who agrees with me".


You think BBC is biased in favor of the Tories???????
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Old 21st June 2017, 11:23 AM   #130
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It's Ascot.
This way she can just pop back in the car and zoom off to catch some of the gee-gees without having the kerfuffle of having to get changed.
Fair's fair, she earned an outing for keeping a straight face while announcing the government's plans for the next two years given that May is being optimistic if she makes plans for the weekend...

Oh and as the BBC pointed out, no mention of Trump's state visit:


Queen's Speech: Donald Trump's UK state visit in fresh doubt

It seems to have slid into the nether realm of 'when conditions are right'.
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She was reportedly in favour of Brexit.
ISTR it was The Sun that did the reporting, though.

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I wouldn't believe The Sun if they told me water was wet, and their assumption of what Brenda thinks about Brexit was no more than their usual ill-informed speculation.

I don't for one second think that the hat was a coincidence, and I'm fairly certain that the low-key arrangements for the Queen's Speech were designed to be a snub to Theresa May.
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I wouldn't believe The Sun if they told me water was wet, and their assumption of what Brenda thinks about Brexit was no more than their usual ill-informed speculation.

I don't for one second think that the hat was a coincidence, and I'm fairly certain that the low-key arrangements for the Queen's Speech were designed to be a snub to Theresa May.
As I recall Her Maj was similarly competitive with Maggie Thatcher. Hated her.
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ISTR it was The Sun that did the reporting, though.

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Fair enough. I am pretty uninterested in her views.
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Fair enough. I am pretty uninterested in her views.
I am interested in why her advisers let her turn up for the opening of Parliament wearing the European Union flag. This is on top of her making a point of not wearing her traditional garb.

It's a little bit weird even if we don't think there was any intentional symbolism there.
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She fits the demographic and her memories of influence in the 50's and now both Britain's, and hers would be most obvious to her. It would be hard to not draw emotional conclusions in her position
I thought the pro-Brexit demographic was more people born in the 40s and 50s than someone who was actually around in the war.
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I am interested in why her advisers let her turn up for the opening of Parliament wearing the European Union flag. This is on top of her making a point of not wearing her traditional garb.

It's a little bit weird even if we don't think there was any intentional symbolism there.
If there was no intended symbolism, I would assume she and her staff are switched on enough for the unintended symbolism to be noticed and be mentioned and for HRH to make a conscious decision not to change.

At the very least, she knew but didn't care. I suspect some monarchical, nonagenarian chuckling.
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A Belgian newspaper published a little more than one hour ago that five ministers have asked Boris Johnson to replace Theresa May.

Do they really think it would be fun for the Brits to have their home made version of Donald Trump at the 10 Downing Street ?
I think it would be a great development.

But then again, I can entertain myself for hours watching skateboarding accidents on Youtube.
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Heard Boris bumbling his way through an interview with Eddie Mair yesterday. He's alright for a laugh but as a PM? God help us!
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I went for the 'conference' option but would have really preferred "About a year, or whenever Tory nerves have settled and somebody plausible seems to be making a good job of something significant"

But from the Con pov it's hard to see who that would be:

Johnson - too much of a buffoon even for many Con voters. Drifting out rapidly with the bookies.
Davis - tied up with Brexit negotiations, but if they go well a case could be made. Hard to see how he can please all wings of his party though. Current bookies' fave.
Hammond - dull as hell, but that could be seen as a bonus.
Rudd - holds a marginal seat and I can see many of her constituents having a great time working to oust the Tory leader
Davidson - bit of a Tory heroine at the moment and has a definite chance imo. But being a Bremainer could count against her.
Gove - maybe his mystery reappointment is linked to this question. Maybe the Con leader after next?

It's a all a bit of a mess, frankly. I wouldn't want to be in the party's position.
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It can't be Davidson, as she isn't even an MP. Gove? Never in a hundred years.
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It can't be Davidson, as she isn't even an MP. Gove? Never in a hundred years.
These things can be arranged
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These things can be arranged
Yes, if an anti-Brexit MP were to accidentally brutally stab themself to death while shaving.
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I am interested in why her advisers let her turn up for the opening of Parliament wearing the European Union flag. This is on top of her making a point of not wearing her traditional garb.

It's a little bit weird even if we don't think there was any intentional symbolism there.
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If there was no intended symbolism, I would assume she and her staff are switched on enough for the unintended symbolism to be noticed and be mentioned and for HRH to make a conscious decision not to change.

At the very least, she knew but didn't care. I suspect some monarchical, nonagenarian chuckling.
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I wouldn't believe The Sun if they told me water was wet, and their assumption of what Brenda thinks about Brexit was no more than their usual ill-informed speculation.

I don't for one second think that the hat was a coincidence, and I'm fairly certain that the low-key arrangements for the Queen's Speech were designed to be a snub to Theresa May.
Fair enough to all those...

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I went for the 'conference' option but would have really preferred "About a year, or whenever Tory nerves have settled and somebody plausible seems to be making a good job of something significant"

But from the Con pov it's hard to see who that would be:

Johnson - too much of a buffoon even for many Con voters. Drifting out rapidly with the bookies.
Davis - tied up with Brexit negotiations, but if they go well a case could be made. Hard to see how he can please all wings of his party though. Current bookies' fave.
Hammond - dull as hell, but that could be seen as a bonus.
Rudd - holds a marginal seat and I can see many of her constituents having a great time working to oust the Tory leader
Davidson - bit of a Tory heroine at the moment and has a definite chance imo. But being a Bremainer could count against her.
Gove - maybe his mystery reappointment is linked to this question. Maybe the Con leader after next?

It's a all a bit of a mess, frankly. I wouldn't want to be in the party's position.

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(Might start crying if he ends up getting anywhere)
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Fair enough to all those...




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Where is the laughing dog

(Might start crying if he ends up getting anywhere)
I have already predicted the rise of Reese-Mogg. He's maybe the nearest thing we have to an Urquart. But he's not even in the cabinet so it would seem a bit strange. Still, with nobody else having enough gumption or pluck, desperate times call for desperate measures and what more of a desparate measure than to have the left-wing's parody of a Tory lord made flesh becoming PM to smite those upstarts in Brussels?
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"Actual political commentator" meaning "Somebody who agrees with me".


You think BBC is biased in favor of the Tories???????
Haha. There speaks the voice of wisdom. Deary me.
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Fair enough to all those...

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Where is the laughing dog

(Might start crying if he ends up getting anywhere)
But but but ... then he'll stop going on HIGNFY and we'll miss the laughs. On the other hand there will be PMQs, so I suppose the jury is out, laugh-wise
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"Actual political commentator" meaning "Somebody who agrees with me".


You think BBC is biased in favor of the Tories???????
It's been repeatedly alleged that BBC Political Correspondent Laura Kuenssberg is...
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It's been repeatedly alleged that BBC Political Correspondent Laura Kuenssberg is...
And of course Nick Robinson, who was political editor for the BBC for 10 years, was President of Oxford University Conservative Association, and was also accused of being biased in their favour.
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Could it just be that she's a lady in her 90's and it's really, really hot at the moment ?
If she isn't capable of doing her job she should resign.
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It's Ascot.
This way she can just pop back in the car and zoom off to catch some of the gee-gees without having the kerfuffle of having to get changed.
Amazing how many of her visits to places coincide with horse racing. Remember her historic visit to Republic of Ireland? Just happened to have a private half day at a stud farm...
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If she isn't capable of doing her job she should resign.
Her job is the breathe. Resignation might be...................erm............messy.
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Old 23rd June 2017, 11:31 AM   #153
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Her job is the breathe. Resignation might be...................erm............messy.
Looking back over our history, there have been instances of involuntary job termination, but it tends to preclude re-hiring.

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Amazing how many of her visits to places coincide with horse racing. Remember her historic visit to Republic of Ireland? Just happened to have a private half day at a stud farm...
Such visits are a harmless hobby. Keeps her mind off politics.
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As I recall Her Maj was similarly competitive with Maggie Thatcher. Hated her.
Made her Order of the Garter and Order of Merit ( Appointments are made at the Sovereign's sole discretion -wiki) and went to her funeral though. I do not think you can hate some one and also have respect for them at the same time.
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I wouldn't believe The Sun if they told me water was wet, and their assumption of what Brenda thinks about Brexit was no more than their usual ill-informed speculation.

I don't for one second think that the hat was a coincidence, and I'm fairly certain that the low-key arrangements for the Queen's Speech were designed to be a snub to Theresa May.
I think it was due to the original clash with the Trooping the colour ceremony. Also I expect consideration was given to her age and the fact that she wanted to get off to Ascot.
My understanding was that the Queen is obviously a strong supporter of the Commonwealth and possibly less obviously the union between Scotland and England but that actually she might be a bit of a brexiteer.
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I think it was due to the original clash with the Trooping the colour ceremony. Also I expect consideration was given to her age and the fact that she wanted to get off was going to Ascot.
My understanding was that the Queen is obviously a strong supporter of the Commonwealth and possibly less obviously the union between Scotland and England but that actually she might be a bit of a brexiteer.
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Theresa May and The Holy Grail...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qOyT3ZkUxI
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FTFY
I think my sentence was equally correct, reflecting a bit of what yours didn't, that it is a personal highlight of The Queen's year, which she wouldn't want to miss; albeit rather colloquially expressed.
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So it seems that Theresa May and her coalition of chaos has stolen Corbyn's magic money tree to give the DUP £1 billion to keep the tory party in power support their strong and stable government
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