CNN Doxxes a gif maker

You don't know what doxxing actually is, do you? Because I see no evidence of it in that article.
 
From the article:

"CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again."
 
Giz said:
From the article:

"CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again."
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So they scared the crap out of the guy and now they want approval? On what basis is CNN owed an apology?
 
Hmmm, I do have misgivings about CNN's approach.

I think it's because while I think that shaming can be a powerful (and justifiable) social tool to move society away from deplorable behavior... I'd normally think of it as being applied by citizens against other citizens. Not by a huge, immensely powerful media corporation trying to make an individual anathema. It seems like a crazy imbalance of power.
 
Giz said:
From the article:

"CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again."
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And after a short stay, HanA**holeSolo will be put on a plane and be delivered back to his parents in a coma.
 
I agree that they did not approach this the correct way. They should have immediately published the guy's name.
 
I'm not fond of anything that smells even a little like blackmail. This particular guy is pretty obviously scum, so I might not be shedding any tears for him, but I don't like the tactic.
 
I'm a little torn about this.

I mean, when I post on the internet I generally do so at least semi-anonymously. I think the administrators here probably have my real name on file, but probably if someone really tech savvy tried they could figure it out. I want to keep my real-life identity as hidden as possible most of the time.

Devil's advocate: maybe we would get better quality of posting on the internet if everyone's real identity was known, or easy to find out. Want to be a troll? Fine, but your friends, your family, your boss and coworkers can see it. People might think a little harder about what they say online. OTOH, it's not only the trolls. Everyone would have to be more careful about what they say.
 
So it is "fake news" if it is an anonymous source.
But it is doxxing and bad if a guy making gif showing violence by the president against journalist (*) is uncovered ?

I am guessing some like to protect anonymity or uncover only when it arrange them , like only when criticizing the "other" side.

(*) and with the current context of blocking by the white house , and the fact some of us recall that in many despotic regime the first to suffer violence/blockage by the regime are the journalists and news, some of us did not really find that humorous at all. Rather very dark.
 
I think too much has been made of that silly gif. It was celebratory, not a call to arms. Incidentally, wrestling is fake.
 
Cain said:
I think too much has been made of that silly gif. It was celebratory, not a call to arms. Incidentally, wrestling is fake.
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It's not the silly gif. It's the silly git. e.g. the person who re-tweeted it. That would be the President of the United States. Passing notes in history class like any other fourteen year old.
 
That is very like a gif I might have made if I'd thought of it. Just for the bizarre humor of it. If asked to apologize I'd say "Hell no!". However, no malice or incitement would be intended on my part. And I don't have the posting history that guy does.
 
The Big Dog said:
CNN has appeared to abandon news of any sort and instead is doxxing some nobody who made a funny GIF.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html

what a buncha pussies
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TBD is wrong. CNN didn't "doxx" anyone

CNN did investigative research, and found the person who created the GIF (Hanassholesolo) that @POTUS tweeted and tried to contact him to speak with him.

CNN then wrote an article and specifically did not publish the mans name.

Hanassholesolo should proudly stand up to be recognized and own his GIF and all the rest of his posts.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
TBD is wrong. CNN didn't "doxx" anyone

CNN did investigative research, and found the person who created the GIF (Hanassholesolo) that @POTUS tweeted and tried to contact him to speak with him.

CNN then wrote an article and specifically did not publish the mans name.

Hanassholesolo should proudly stand up to be recognized and own his GIF and all the rest of his posts.
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TBD forgot to mention that the reporter who did the research and discovered the maker of the GIF is now receiving death threats.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I agree that they did not approach this the correct way. They should have immediately published the guy's name.
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Agreed. It's not the job of a news organization to withhold information. And it's flat out weird to use identity as threatened punishment.
 
varwoche said:
Agreed. It's not the job of a news organization to withhold information.
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News organizations including CNN withhold information all the bloody time. It's very much their job. They have a limited amount of bandwidth, any decision to report something is necessarily a decision to not report something else.

And it's flat out weird to use identity as threatened punishment.
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They shouldn't have threatened punishment, they should have just punished. Is that the idea? Because that's exactly what Ken is saying.
 
Ziggurat said:
They shouldn't have threatened punishment, they should have just punished. Is that the idea? Because that's exactly what Ken is saying.
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Calling it punishment is a misnomer. It may have negative consequences, but publishing as part of a story is neither punishment or retribution. CNN should simply have published Hanassholesolos name as part of the story.
 
Ziggurat said:
News organizations including CNN withhold information all the bloody time. It's very much their job. They have a limited amount of bandwidth, any decision to report something is necessarily a decision to not report something else.
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Seeing as they used more bandwidth explaining the non revelation, your observation is nonsensical. And your wisdom about the job of a news organization is absurdly literal.
 
I don't know about his other posts, but the guy owes no one an apology for the GIF. Well, maybe the WWE for using their content.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Calling it punishment is a misnomer. It may have negative consequences, but publishing as part of a story is neither punishment or retribution. CNN should simply have published Hanassholesolos name as part of the story.
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What possible purpose would it serve? The only results I can see coming out of that are negative. Except maybe for scaring him into not posting the other crap he's been doing.
 
alfaniner said:
That is very like a gif I might have made if I'd thought of it. Just for the bizarre humor of it. If asked to apologize I'd say "Hell no!". However, no malice or incitement would be intended on my part. And I don't have the posting history that guy does.
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But you'd be making the same mistake every novice artist makes, thinking your intended message and the message the audience receives will look remotely similar.

The President of the United States pummeling and dominating "journalism" in a display of proto-homonid violence has a clear subtext aside from "the lulz", a lack of awareness of that subtext on the author's part doesn't mean it isn't there.

Then when that very same President retweets it (official White House statement?) that's a whole different ball game.

Once you publish you basically surrender control over it's "meaning."

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Delphic Oracle said:
The President of the United States pummeling and dominating "journalism" in a display of proto-homonid violence has a clear subtext aside from "the lulz", a lack of awareness of that subtext on the author's part doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Oh, come on. It sounds as if this guy has made some hateful posts (according to CNN) but the wrestling one is a harmless trash joke. We would have to be hysterically hypersensitive to be triggered by it.
 
alfaniner said:
What possible purpose would it serve? The only results I can see coming out of that are negative. Except maybe for scaring him into not posting the other crap he's been doing.
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There's a reason Hanassholesolo doesn't want his reddit posts linked to him IRL, as you alluded to.

Off the top of my head, it might cause other people to also think twice before making posts on the Internet that they don't want to own IRL.

You're free to make the speech you want (within the limits of the constitution), you're not guaranteed to be free from the public opinion/consequences of that speech.
 
Giz said:
Oh, come on. It sounds as if this guy has made some hateful posts (according to CNN) but the wrestling one is a harmless trash joke. We would have to be hysterically hypersensitive to be triggered by it.
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I don't have any complaints against the guy who created it. The problem is that The PDJT retweeted it sans comment. If he had added something like -- "I thought this was funny" it would have put a different spin on it. As it is, it seems like an endorsement.
 
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