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Old 14th November 2017, 05:18 PM   #1
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Yet ANOTHER "kill the ACA" bill hidden in tax cut legislation

A provision in the tax cut bill would repeal the Individual Mandate, gutting one of the key supports for the ACA.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-...ate-1510690807
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:01 PM   #2
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I don't think it's been hidden at all.
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:39 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I don't think it's been hidden at all.
It's been made inconspicuous enough that only now is any real notice being made of it. Twitter is blowing up over it.
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:44 PM   #4
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Why? Why do this? Why put into jeopardy passing the tax bill by including this? When facing a backlash from within the party, why add a poison pill? When the Rs are desperate for a win, they should be pushing the most vanilla tax plan imaginable.

What carrots or sticks does The Hair have to get the votes for this bill? You can't be a monkey *********** a football and lobby the Senate for votes at the same time.
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:48 PM   #5
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Well, looking at how things are proceeding it seems to be working. That's why the outcry machinery is starting up again. They can spin the tax bill as helping everyone with a tax cut. It's a lie, but they can spin it that way.

They (GOP) aren't talking at all about the ACA gutting part. They were hoping no one would notice it.
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:51 PM   #6
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Isn't the Individual Mandate the part that, if you don't buy health insurance, you pay a penalty on your income tax? And didn't Obama make it un-enforced? So the Republicans are only codifying Obama's EO?
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:55 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
It's been made inconspicuous enough that only now is any real notice being made of it. Twitter is blowing up over it.
Of course Twitter is blowing up. Senator Paul tweeted it himself:

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/...2Face.mu.nu%2F
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:57 PM   #8
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Isn't the Individual Mandate the part that, if you don't buy health insurance, you pay a penalty on your income tax? And didn't Obama make it un-enforced? So the Republicans are only codifying Obama's EO?
It was unenforced for awhlie but that suspension lapsed IIRC.
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Old 15th November 2017, 08:21 AM   #9
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It was unenforced for awhlie but that suspension lapsed IIRC.
This. There were some questions regarding the legality of it which weren't settled until June 2012, and final regulations weren't in place until April 2013. 2014 was the first year where you had to be covered, so the first tax based on this would have been 2015 (if I've followed everything correctly).
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Old 16th November 2017, 09:50 AM   #10
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It was unenforced for awhlie but that suspension lapsed IIRC.
The status of the "Shared Responsibility Payment" has not undergone any changes since it was enacted. It's as enforceable as it ever has been. The IRS can only collect on it against tax refunds. The IRS can not levy wages or banks or file a lien that contains a SRP.
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If you force people to buy insurance, but they can’t afford it, the state has to pay subsidies. That part remains and the state pays. But if you don’t need to buy insurance, the state may be able to slip out of it.
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