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Old 3rd September 2017, 04:35 AM   #81
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Homoeopaths claim the prepare remedies in a particular way. You are suggesting that their claims are impossible. This is the same "homeopathic community" that you rely on for evidence of the "practical/clinical significance" of homoeopathy. And now you imply that they are not truthful.




You're not "checking" anything. You're making stuff up.
Practical way of preparation is not odd to principles like practical/clinical significance is not odd to efficacy but statically can.
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Old 3rd September 2017, 04:37 AM   #82
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Practical way of preparation is not odd to principles like practical/clinical significance is not odd to efficacy but statically can.

Nonsense.
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Nonsense.
sense is there in Nonsense.
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Old 3rd September 2017, 05:31 AM   #84
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sense is there in Nonsense.

This is taking quote-mining to an extreme.
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Old 3rd September 2017, 10:29 AM   #85
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This is taking quote-mining to an extreme.
I think, there is a theory, Nothingness theory. I think it suggest everything has come after nothing. Means, things can possible from nothing. Like it, sense from nonsense. When we can not found a lion in cities and we want to see it, we have to search it wildly in jungles. Many people venture in remote areas, jungles, deep sea etc and many TV channels show these n we enjoy it. Why?
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It must be scary inside your mind...
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I am reeling from the thought process that can take a person from the premise that "matter can be created ex nihilo" directly to: "if you seek a lion you must look in a jungle".
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I am reeling from the thought process that can take a person from the premise that "matter can be created ex nihilo" directly to: "if you seek a lion you must look in a jungle".
Yes if lion is not there in cities.
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Yes if lion is not there in cities.
Try going to your local zoo.
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It must be scary inside your mind...
No, I am just trying to check PE-dynamics somewhat like it for example: if specific exercising can increase specific potentials of a young person inspite of losing heat, weight etc, why any specific work done(somewhat exercise) on something can't increase its specific potential inspite of no chemical change and loss of heat? Simple logical question.
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Try going to your local zoo.
I mentioned: if we can not see in cities. Like it if we can not any not yet A&F understanding in yet understood routine science, we need to try it by searching wilds remote places. Routines can easily be found in cities(on internet, books etc.) so no dynamism in those.
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I mentioned: if we can not see in cities. Like it if we can not any not yet A&F understanding in yet understood routine science, we need to try it by searching wilds remote places. Routines can easily be found in cities(on internet, books etc.) so no dynamism in those.
Wow. That is deeply messed up thinking.
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Whether PE is potential to work or potential to return to origional(natural, rest, grounded..) position?
That is what your link says.
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Potential energy is mechanical or stored energy from an object that comes from factors such as its position relative to others, internal stress, electric charge or its condition rather than motion. This object has the capability of producing energy as these conditions change - this energy could be kinetic energy, chemical energy, radiant energy, thermal energy or sound energy.
For example, work is done on a ball on the ground when you lift it up in your hand. The ball now has the potential to gain kinetic energy by you dropping it and we call this potential energy.

A pendulum at rest like the ball on the ground has a minimum potential energy. A swinging pendulum has more potential energy at the top of its swing than at the bottom.

No body at finite height in a gravitational field has zero PE. That is the ball, the pendulum or even you! Zero gravitational PE is defined in physics as an object that is a infinity, making gravitational PE negative.

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Falling apple inspired the understanding of gravitational force.
The understanding of the gravitational force was inspired by a couple of decades of hard work using empirical data by Newton. That makes rest of the post ("Biggest achievement by wild/dynamic speculation") ignorant.

Newton may have seen an apple fall from a tree between 1665 and 1667 which made him think about why they fell downward and not sideways. It was 20 years later in 1687 that he published his work based on the data he had gathered, mostly from other scientists. The apple anecdote pops up in a 1726 conversation not published until 1752 so there is a good chance it is a fable.

Did an apple really fall on Isaac Newton’s head?
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Simply find out the answers of these questions:
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The answer is that you are derailing yet another thread into the irrelevant witchcraft of homeopathy.
And exposing 14 years of ignorance since this PE was covered in Potential Energy which you started on 19 October 2003.
You may also be revisiting Conservation of energy from 2005.
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Just quoting above to enhance meaning of this topic.
Followed by an example totally ignorant about what you linked to, Kumar.
Potential energy is not exercise.
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There fore PE-dynamics.
Therefore fantasy ("PE-dynamics") followed by almost gibberish followed by irrelevant Moon gibberish.
Conservation of energy is that the total energy of an object is conserved. This energy potential energy, kinetic energy, chemical energy, rest energy, mechanical energy, etc.
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Practical way of preparation is not odd to principles like practical/clinical significance is not odd to efficacy but statically can.
We know that you can write and understand English, e.g. you have cited the English version of Wikipedia. So you must know that post is gibberish.
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...Why?
Why more irrelevant nonsense?
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I mentioned: if we can not see in cities.
Wrong - lions exist in zoos in cities and the world. That is Absolute and Final !

If there is no lion in a local zoo then we can go look in other places. But lions have to actually exist in order to find one.

To use your metaphor: Working homeopathy remedies are a lion that does not exist so only ignorant or even deluded people believe homeopathy works.
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By the way, you won't find any lions in jungles. They don't live there.
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By the way, you won't find any lions in jungles. They don't live there.
Yes not necessary. But I have personal experience. Many TV channels also show.
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Wow. That is deeply messed up thinking.
Applied force should reward PE alongwith.
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Applied force should reward PE alongwith.
Nope.
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Nope.
Pls justify, Newton's 3rd law of motion for the action applied for preparing the remedies. I mean, its equal and opposite reaction part. Thanks.
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Pls justify, Newton's 3rd law of motion for the action applied for preparing the remedies. I mean, its equal and opposite reaction part. Thanks.
The one (actual physics) has absolutely nothing to do with the other (actual nonsense).

I'll leave you to decide which is which.
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Pls justify, Newton's 3rd law of motion for the action applied for preparing the remedies. I mean, its equal and opposite reaction part. Thanks.
Newton's Third Law relates to forces on bodies. Thus, it's nothing to do with shaking a solution of St John's Wort in a bottle. Exert a force on a bottle, you feel the same force exerted back. That's it.

If you think shaking a bottle imbues its contents with magical potential energy, you are wrong.
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Newton's Third Law relates to forces on bodies. Thus, it's nothing to do with shaking a solution of St John's Wort in a bottle. Exert a force on a bottle, you feel the same force exerted back. That's it.

If you think shaking a bottle imbues its contents with magical potential energy, you are wrong.

But contents in bottles also move substantially due to action. Why 3rd law sent be applicable for it? I think is also rewarded by PE to affect reaction.
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PE doesn't reward anything. It's not Santa.
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(To Kumar), I'm sure you think that, but you are wrong.

(I don't know what word you should be using in that sentence, but whatever it is, it is not 'rewarded'.)
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(To Kumar), I'm sure you think that, but you are wrong.

(I don't know what word you should be using in that sentence, but whatever it is, it is not 'rewarded'.)
Can you complete it in view of conservation of energy::

Energy applied for preparation of remedies = ??
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They are not remedies, for a start.
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Can you complete it in view of conservation of energy::

Energy applied for preparation of remedies is subsequently dissipated as heat energy and has no effect on the chemical composition or properties of the final substance or mixture.
There you go.

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What Dave said.
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There you go.

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Ok but how it will justify 3rd law, every action there is equal n opp reaction. Acting force for preparing remedies is an action.
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Ok but how it will justify 3rd law, every action there is equal n opp reaction. Acting force for preparing remedies is an action.
When your hand exerts a force in one direction on the bottle, accelerating it in that direction, the bottle exerts an equal and opposite reaction on your hand. The inside of the bottle exerts a force on the liquid inside, which exerts an equal and opposite force back on the bottle. When you've finished shaking the bottle and are no longer exerting a force on it, it is no longer exerting a force on your hand. It retains no memory of what force it was exerting at any particular time. There will be some random swirling of the liquid inside which decays due to viscous drag, and again the liquid inside the bottle retains no memory of any particular details of this motion. Once the liquid inside the bottle is homogeneous you can shake it as much as you like with no more effect, after time for the liquid to settle, than a very small, probably too small to measure, increase in the temperature of the liquid. In fact the temperature rise due to shaking is probably less than the temperature rise due to conduction of body heat from your hand.

There is nothing in Newton's Laws that gives any credence whatsoever to homeopathy.

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Thanks. I think it cover both force required for reaction and heat. Whether such force for reaction will be KE or PE? Further every action is immediately followed by force for reaction+heat?
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Also, force is neither KE nor PE.
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But contents in bottles also move substantially due to action.
The third law is that any force on any body including the molecules inside a bottle has an equal and opposite force.
This basic physics has nothing to with a delusion that homeopathic remedies work when the scientific, real world evidence is that they cannot work and do not work.

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