Fox News creates Republincan voters

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I came across a blog entry on a new economics paper:
http://www.economistsdoitwithmodels...-depressing-instrument-ever-fox-news-edition/

It purports to show that watching Fox News makes people more likely to vote Republican (rather than Republican voters being more likely to watch Fox News).

abstract:
We measure the persuasive effects of slanted news and tastes for like-minded news, exploiting cable channel positions as exogenous shifters of cable news viewership. Channel positions do not correlate with demographics that predict viewership and voting, nor with local satellite viewership. We estimate that Fox News increases Republican vote shares by 0.3 points among viewers induced into watching 2.5 additional minutes per week by variation in position. We then estimate a model of voters who select into watching slanted news, and whose ideologies evolve as a result. We use the model to assess the growth over time of Fox News influence, to quantitatively assess media-driven polarization, and to simulate alternative ideological slanting of news channels.

I just had to think of you guys when I read this.
 
I came across a blog entry on a new economics paper:
http://www.economistsdoitwithmodels...-depressing-instrument-ever-fox-news-edition/

It purports to show that watching Fox News makes people more likely to vote Republican (rather than Republican voters being more likely to watch Fox News).

abstract:
We measure the persuasive effects of slanted news and tastes for like-minded news, exploiting cable channel positions as exogenous shifters of cable news viewership. Channel positions do not correlate with demographics that predict viewership and voting, nor with local satellite viewership. We estimate that Fox News increases Republican vote shares by 0.3 points among viewers induced into watching 2.5 additional minutes per week by variation in position. We then estimate a model of voters who select into watching slanted news, and whose ideologies evolve as a result. We use the model to assess the growth over time of Fox News influence, to quantitatively assess media-driven polarization, and to simulate alternative ideological slanting of news channels.

I just had to think of you guys when I read this.

Whew, fortunately I only watch CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN. No ideological slanting on those networks.
:rolleyes:
 
Whew, fortunately I only watch CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN. No ideological slanting on those networks.
:rolleyes:
That's the reality has a liberal bias problem, not ideological slanting.

Come on, dude, Fox News has the highest rating for dishonest, fake reporting. No matter which stations are slanted, Fox is blatantly purposefully unapologetically slanted.
 
I argue with my father-in-law all the time about Fox News and what news is.

He can't understand that the majority of what Fox offers isn't news, but opinions on the news. Most of his retorts begin with, "Well...CNN..." and I reply, "I don't watch CNN either and we aren't talking about them at the moment. And to claim, 'Well CNN does it too' means you're admitting that Fox is more opinion than not."

It is shame most people cannot see this.
 
There is slants and bias in news sources.. then there is Fox News, which is a propaganda network for conservatives.
 
Obviously the paper also looks at the effect of other cable news networks: ie CNN and MSNBC. What would be the point otherwise?

It also estimates ideological slant by analyzing the transcripts.
 
Let's look at it with a skeptical eye, shall we? Here's the working paper I am quoting from.

The central new results in this paper are that the Fox News effect in presidential elections grew from 2000 to 2008 because of a combination of increasing viewership and increasingly conservative slant on Fox News; and that the cable news channels can explain an increase in political polarization of similar size to that observed in the US population over this period.

The citation for the rise in polarization goes to this paper. The author makes a very interesting and nuanced case about polarization. Over the last half-century, the proportion of Americans self-identifying as solid Republican or Democrat has decined, while those calling themselves unaligned or leaning towards one party or the other has increased.

However, he also points out the effective disappearance of conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. If you poll Americans on a ten-item scale of political values, you'll find that these days, more Democrats come out consistently liberal and more Republicans come out consistently conservative.

This, to me, is no particular surprise. Both parties' bases have become particularly good at purging apostates from the party line. Hence also the growth among the unaligned or leaning groups. And this is certainly true:

Perhaps the most disturbing fact is that politics has become increasingly personal. We don’t see those on the other side as well-meaning people who happen to hold different opinions or to weight conflicting goals differently. We see them as unintelligent and selfish, with views so perverse that they can be explained only by unimaginable cluelessness, or a dark ulterior motive. Either way, they pose a grave threat to our nation.

This is certainly true, and if you look at the graph on page 14, it is not hard to see where the partisan divide has widened, but it is pretty hard to make the case that Fox News had anything to do with it. Here's the description:

Using data from the American National Election Study, the red line shows the average favorability of Republicans towards Democrats minus the average favorabilty of Republicans towards Republicans on a scale from 0-100. The blue line shows an analogous time series for Democrats.

Not surprisingly, Republicans tend to give favorable ratings to the GOP and more unfavorable ratings to the Democrats, and vice-versa. If you look, in the 1960s, the difference between Republican ratings for their own party versus the Democrats was almost 40%. Democrats were actually much less inclined to be partisan back then; their difference was only about 25%.

However, in the early 1970s things changed a bit. Republicans became much less partisan, while Democrats stayed about where they were. At the end of the 1970s both parties became slightly more partisan, leaving party members roughtly even at 30% more likely to view their own party favorably than the opposition. The 1980s were a relatively stable period for partisanship, and while the 1990s had more ups and downs in the graphs, they still ended the century about even.

But yes, from 2000-2008, there was a remarkable rise in partisanship as evil Fox News began polluting hearts and minds. Errr, except for one inconvenient truth: the rise in partisanship was almost entirely on the side of the Democrats.

After 2008, both sides increased their partisanship overall, although in perhaps what was a warning sign for Hillary Clinton, the Democrats went down in partisanship in the last two surveys, while Republicans went up.

I am sure today that if that survey were taken today, Democratic partisanship would be at record levels.

Note especially that bit about from 2000-2008, Republicans staying remarkably even in their preference for their own party. Because that sort of runs diametrically counter to what the authors of the paper cited in the OP state is one of their "central news results":

The central new results in this paper are that the Fox News effect in presidential elections grew from 2000 to 2008 because of a combination of increasing viewership and increasingly conservative slant on Fox News; and that the cable news channels can explain an increase in political polarization of similar size to that observed in the US population over this period.

I mean, maybe they are just being clever there, with the mention of the increasing slant on Fox, and then noting that the cable news channels (a group which includes Fox but also CNN and MSNBC) can explain the increase in political polarization. Because I am having a very hard time understanding how Fox News in those years from 2000-2008 made Democrats more partisan at the same time Republicans were staying pretty steady in their partisanship.

Oh, and also note this:

The answers to these questions are key inputs for designing optimal public policy - such as merger policy - for the media sector, which has attracted blame for the rise in polarization in the US (Gentzkow, 2016)....Such concerns led the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to condition approval of the merger of Comcast Corporation and NBC Universal in 2010 on the requirement that Comcast take steps to promote independent news services.

So in essence their argument is that Fox News causes more voters to become Republican, and that perhaps at some future point when Murdoch's empire swallows up another company, the Feds could hold them hostage unless they agree to change the slant at Fox.

Can't imagine how that could be abused. I mean, Fox doesn't actually have a printing press, so they aren't covered under the First Amendment, right?
 
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The right wing went about creating think tanks to counter the de facto government-paid professorships and control of NPR by the left wing. Then they did this, too.


Bias is in the choice of stories to harp on all day, day after day. Accuracy of reporting doesn't really enter into it.
 
I came across a blog entry on a new economics paper:
http://www.economistsdoitwithmodels...-depressing-instrument-ever-fox-news-edition/

It purports to show that watching Fox News makes people more likely to vote Republican (rather than Republican voters being more likely to watch Fox News).

Well, the channel portrays the Republicans in a more favorable light. Of course people who watch the channel are more likely to vote Republican as a result.

You presented a false dichtomy, in all likelyhood both are true: people who vote Republicans are more likely to watch Fox News and people who watch Fox News are more likely to decide to vote for Republicans because of what they saw on the channel.

The self-selection of audience is probably the stronger effect, but both are present.

McHrozni
 
I argue with my father-in-law all the time about Fox News and what news is.

He can't understand that the majority of what Fox offers isn't news, but opinions on the news.


Don't forget using those opinions to manufacture news.

4 pm: News story about one class in one school singing a song about historically significant African-Americans, including a couple lines about President Obama.

5 pm: Opinion show ranting about school children being forced to sing President Obama's praises, with comparisons to North Korea.

6 pm: News story about the public being outraged over indoctrinated school children singing songs praising President Obama.
 
I'm thinking Fox News was created originally to attract viewers who weren't satisfied with the existing choices at the time. Converting viewers who previously weren't interested is probably just icing on the cake.

Fox News was created to attract viewers who didn't agree with the news as reported by everyone else, so opinions masquerading as news was created to attract those viewers.
 
I heard MSNBC is pretty good at creating Republican voters, too!
 
This is not new, but relevant:

Fox News Makes You Stupid

According to a new study by Farleigh Dickinson University, Fox viewers are the least knowledgeable audience of any outlet, and they know even less about politics and current events than people who watch no news at all.

Note: Insert "yet another" at the highlight.

Thanks Bobby Jindal for pointing this out.
 
That's the reality has a liberal bias problem, not ideological slanting.

Come on, dude, Fox News has the highest rating for dishonest, fake reporting. No matter which stations are slanted, Fox is blatantly purposefully unapologetically slanted.

What's the source for the bolded text?
 
Everybody thinks reality has a bias towards their own opinion.


Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard a conservative claim that "reality has a conservative bias". I don't even think I've ever heard a conservative object directly to the claim that "reality has a liberal bias".
 
Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard a conservative claim that "reality has a conservative bias". I don't even think I've ever heard a conservative object directly to the claim that "reality has a liberal bias".
Conservatives found an easy way to avoid bias - they simply created an 'alternative reality' which is 100% conservative.
 

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