Rapper starts flatearther GoFundMe

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Rapper BoB, who famously argued with NDT about the Earth being flat, has started a GoFundMe page to raise money for the launches of several satellites into orbit that will somehow prove the opposite of what satellites (not to mention hundreds of years of science) have been proving for decades. I **** you not. The stoopid is strong with this one. :jaw-dropp

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/b-o-b-flat-earth-gofundme-trnd/index.html
 
Rapper BoB, who famously argued with NDT about the Earth being flat, has started a GoFundMe page to raise money for the launches of several satellites into orbit that will somehow prove the opposite of what satellites (not to mention hundreds of years of science) have been proving for decades. I **** you not. The stoopid is strong with this one. :jaw-dropp

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/b-o-b-flat-earth-gofundme-trnd/index.html

wait a moment, don't flat earthers deny the existence of satellites at all? As they would not stay up in their model?
 
Rapper BoB, who famously argued with NDT about the Earth being flat, has started a GoFundMe page to raise money for the launches of several satellites into orbit that will somehow prove the opposite of what satellites (not to mention hundreds of years of science) have been proving for decades. I **** you not. The stoopid is strong with this one. :jaw-dropp

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/us/b-o-b-flat-earth-gofundme-trnd/index.html

wait a moment, don't flat earthers deny the existence of satellites at all? As they would not stay up in their model?

Yes, sort of. It kind of depends on which particular flavour of crank one encounters. Some claim that satellites are impossible, sure. Others claim that only unmanned satellites are possible. Somehow, a random bloke has sufficient mass to bork any satellite.

Can I explain those claims? No, and I am not even going to make the attempt. At that point one is firmly in Narnia.
 
They could save money by going to one of the places they think is 'near the edge' and hiring a plane or ship. Will they? No.
 
wait a moment, don't flat earthers deny the existence of satellites at all? As they would not stay up in their model?

I don't know. Maybe satellites could be held up by whatever it is that holds up the sun and the moon in their "model" (scare quotes because flat earthers don't really have a model, just a series of ad hoc explanations and special pleadings without a shred of internal consistency)
 
I don't know. Maybe satellites could be held up by whatever it is that holds up the sun and the moon in their "model" (scare quotes because flat earthers don't really have a model, just a series of ad hoc explanations and special pleadings without a shred of internal consistency)

Hmmm wait I've got it, the satellite will be covered with an adhesive to stick it to the closest crystal sphere?
 
I think all the flat Earthers are essentially playing an ARG with the rest of the world - except for Tila Tequila. She seriously thinks it's for real.
 
Alternate Reality Game. Like role-playing.

There is a great Wikipedia article on it which I am having trouble linking from the phone, sorry.
 
So he has raised almost two grand with donations from 59 people, many of whom explicitly express the opposite view and insult his intelligence.

Does Go Fund Me really monetize trollish behavior?
 
Alternate Reality Game. Like role-playing.

There is a great Wikipedia article on it which I am having trouble linking from the phone, sorry.

Others have opined that many big footers Are LAARRPing (Live Action Alternate Reality Role playing). It does make a bit of sense.
 
He's called his mission "Show BoB The Curve". Maybe the guy should simply get laid? :boxedin:
 
The proponents of flat earth theory are taking the position of "we can make a model of how this works so we will stick with it and just argue our position even though we know the earth is not flat but its an interesting exercise"

Unfortunately other people actually believe it, they go down the youtube hole and come back up with opinions that are gibberish, they're not thinking, they're soaking ******** up without thinking.
 
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The proponents of flat earth theory are taking the position of "we can make a model of how this works so we will stick with it and just argue our position even though we know the earth is not flat but its an interesting exercise"

Unfortunately other people actually believe it, they go down the youtube hole and come back up with opinions that are gibberish, they're not thinking, they're soaking ******** up without thinking.

Well, the "model" that most of them seem to be using, a flat disk with the North Pole at the center and the edge somewhere in Antarctica kinda sorta almost works if you don't look real close or ask too many questions for the northern hemisphere, but once you get south of the equator it falls completely apart, as the distances and directions are way wrong, and there is no reasonable explanation for the southern stars circling the south celestial pole, and of course there isn't actually an edge anywhere in Antarctica. Of course, details like sunrises, sunsets, the path of the sun in the sky, the fact that objects beyond the horizon disappear from the bottom up, etc. are not explained at all, except by some laughable handwaving about refraction and perspective.

As far as I'm concerned there are two possibilities for flat earth advocates. Trolls or idiots. The trolls apparently get their kicks from stirring up anger in sensible people and the number of idiots they can get to actually believe their nonsense.
 
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hell he can come to my office, and I'll give him a pair of binoculars. At the front door you cannot see Michigan (on the other side of Lake Michigan) , take the elevator up and there it is.
 
hell he can come to my office, and I'll give him a pair of binoculars. At the front door you cannot see Michigan (on the other side of Lake Michigan) , take the elevator up and there it is.

They put that curved glass in your office to perpetuate the myth of a flat earth, dontcha know.
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Really, it is that simple though, isn't it. How can someone who has been on a plane not see the curve? Look at the flight times for overseas flights in the southern hemisphere, heck maybe even take some flights.

What gets me is people who disagree with him giving him money. You and I disagree on some things. If I start a go fund me to raise $20,000 to look into proving that you are wrong about something are you going to pledge $250? That sounds ludicrous. Who are these people?
 
Well, the "model" that most of them seem to be using, a flat disk with the North Pole at the center and the edge somewhere in Antarctica kinda sorta almost works if you don't look real close or ask too many questions for the northern hemisphere, but once you get south of the equator it falls completely apart, as the distances and directions are way wrong, and there is no reasonable explanation for the southern stars circling the south celestial pole, and of course there isn't actually an edge anywhere in Antarctica. Of course, details like sunrises, sunsets, the path of the sun in the sky, the fact that objects beyond the horizon disappear from the bottom up, etc. are not explained at all, except by some laughable handwaving about refraction and perspective.

As far as I'm concerned there are two possibilities for flat earth advocates. Trolls or idiots. The trolls apparently get their kicks from stirring up anger in sensible people and the number of idiots they can get to actually believe their nonsense.

For the lurkers here is one of most common flat earth interpretations

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... flat earthers don't really have a model, just a series of ad hoc explanations and special pleadings without a shred of internal consistency)

and most of which conflict with each other.

It is impossible to make a flat earth model that agrees with all aspects observed reality, that is why flat earth nutjobs don't even try.
 
Really, it is that simple though, isn't it. How can someone who has been on a plane not see the curve?

Well in a commercial airliner you can't see the curve, which kind of makes sense really. What you are looking at is basically a dome viewed from directly above the centre, so what you will see is a circle. You need to get way higher before you see enough of the earth to make out the curve.

Look at the flight times for overseas flights in the southern hemisphere, heck maybe even take some flights.

Very true, and those of us in the Southern Hemisphere are very aware of this, all you have to do is fly from Auckland to Sydney and you know it's not true...

I did the same thing, though using yachts in this post, perhaps it could use the repeat....

Okay so I know the world is a globe, but I think I have found the absolute proof of it. A lot of math in this, but hey....

So back in the day I was into yachting quite a bit, and the biggest events were the Whitbread Round the World Races (this was before NZ was more involved in the America's Cup.)

In the 1989-90 Race, New Zealand had its first win, Steinlager II, under the skippering of Sir Peter Blake, and the following year under Grant Dalton came our second win with NZ Endeavour. Steinlager II was in fact the first boat to win every leg of the race, which made that win very momentous for the country, and as an island nation with sailing something of a past time for a lot of kiwis, rich and poor, these races were followed extremely closely.

So then what is my point, how does this disprove a flat earth. Well, Leg's 2, 3, and 4 of both these races were sailed from Punta del Este, Uruguay to Fremantle, Perth Australia, then to Auckland, New Zealand, and finally back to Punta del Este. Yes, they basically sailed a circle of the Southern Ocean at about 35 degrees South!

From this we can clearly prove or disprove a Flat Earth because the sailing distances for these three legs would depend entirely on the shape of the planet!

Taking each of these

Punta del Este is found at 34.9369°S, 54.9281°W placing it 8,643 miles from the North Pole.
Fremantle is found at 32.0569°S, 115.8605°E placing it 8,413 miles from the North Pole
Auckland is found at 36.8485°S, 174.7633° E placing it 8,750 miles from the North Pole.

Thus to travel from one port to another around the Southern Ocean as claimed, the yachts would have had to travel in a circle with a radius of approximately 8,600 miles. This means we can work out how far they would have had to travel!

To find the circumference of a circle we use 2πr

so... 2 x π (3.1415....) x 8,600 = 54,047 miles!

But according to the Race Data these three legs are only a total of 16,744 miles! In fact the entire race is only 31,975 miles!

So if the Earth was flat, these three legs would have been three times as long as claimed, and 166% longer than the entire race was claimed to be!

But PW, I hear you saying... Surely it would be faster to travel in a straight line than a curve, and this would make the distance shorter.

Well yes it would, and using the Cosine Rule (a2 = b2 + c2 - 2ab.cosA) we can work this out.

Using the above city information we can work out that Punta del Este and Fremantle are 170.7886° apart. Fremantle and Auckland are 58.9028° apart, and Auckland and Punta del Este are 130.3086° apart. With their distances from the North Pole we can determine that in a straight line, the legs would have to be 17,001 miles, 8,443 miles, and 15,783 miles respectively, for a total of 41,227 miles!

There is another slight problem with this straight line thing... to sail in a straight line from Punta del Este to Fremantle to Auckland, and back to Punta del Este on a flat earth would require the following path....

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As one can see, this would be a little problematic.

Finally, the Whitbread 60 class of yacht was at the time one of the fastest mono-hulled sailing vessels with speeds of around 10 knots at cruising. The record, set in the mid-nineties, was an average of just over 15.5 knots over a 24 hour period. Even at this speed the entire way, there is no way that any of the yachts could have completed the entire Flat Earth distance of 54,047 miles for just legs 2, 3, and 4 in the 120 days it took NZ Endeavour to complete the entire race, and of course that isn't counting that they still would have to complete the extra distance for legs, 1, 5 and 6 which we haven't calculated on top of that. The yachts are simply not fast enough to have completed the distances required by a flat Earth in the time that they did so.

These races, which are still going on under the new Volvo brand prove categorically that the Earth is not flat, but rather is a globe, it's the only way that they can possibly sail between points in the Southern Hemisphere fast enough.
 
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These races, which are still going on under the new Volvo brand prove categorically that the Earth is not flat, but rather is a globe, it's the only way that they can possibly sail between points in the Southern Hemisphere fast enough.
Wait ... you're using logic and math! No way that's gonna fly in the flat earth, er, circles. :D
 
Its really hard for me to look at that picture a few posts up and not imagine I am looking at the top half of a sphere from the top-down.


Doesn't even look flat to me lol
 
Others have opined that many big footers Are LAARRPing (Live Action Alternate Reality Role playing). It does make a bit of sense.


People familiar with the tabletop RPG community may be aware of HYBRID, a "roleplaying game" posted online that appears to have been created by someone with severe schizophrenia, combined with good doses of racism and sexism. The creator would post examples of his "rules" in a Usenet RPG group long ago, and there was a theory that he was actually playing an elaborate prank. Someone else responded that it would be the equivalent of randomly screaming and defecating yourself in public for years, and then one day saying "Ha ha. I fooled all of you. I'm not really insane. I just made you think I am."
 
For the lurkers here is one of most common flat earth interpretations

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That doesn't seem to address the fact that you can go around the world by flying in a straight line. Or the behaviour of the sun. Or the clear curvature of the earth.
 
Well in a commercial airliner you can't see the curve, which kind of makes sense really. What you are looking at is basically a dome viewed from directly above the centre, so what you will see is a circle. You need to get way higher before you see enough of the earth to make out the curve.

From 40,000'+ you actually do see a slight curvature. Sky's also darker.

ETA: At least that was my perception when I was up there. But I had a very clear view and was over Saskatchewan, where everything is depressingly flat.
 
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They could save money by going to one of the places they think is 'near the edge' and hiring a plane or ship. Will they? No.

The ice wall at the edge of the Earth is miles high and of course really difficult to climb, or people would have done so already. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
That doesn't seem to address the fact that you can go around the world by flying in a straight line. Or the behaviour of the sun. Or the clear curvature of the earth.

Ah, but if you believe Round Earth Theory, you must also believe in the Date Line. If that actually existed, you'd be able to travel backwards in time just by flying around the Earth supersonically in the opposite direction the Sun does and traversing the Date Line several times per 24 hours, going back a calendar day each time...
 
Minor quibble: Maybe this belongs more in the General Skeptcism or the Science section then Conspiracies?
 

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