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Old 24th October 2017, 01:24 AM   #121
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You might want to explain how posting on the internet is following "basic natures rules"

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They should be following current nature's rules not basic nature's rules.
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Old 24th October 2017, 01:24 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
I do see changes in nature......
Excellent. We are in agreement.Nature changes all the time. It changes according to set rules. Those rules don't change. I ask again..........why is this so difficult for you to understand?
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Old 24th October 2017, 01:25 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
They should be following current nature's rules not basic nature's rules.
If you keep repeating the same bollocks despite it being explained to you page after page why it is bollocks, people will assume you are trolling. Trolling isn't good.
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Old 24th October 2017, 01:28 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Yes the really wild fruits are generally inedible.
Btw, whether inedible to current modern man or to basic original man or to in between man among these states?
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Old 24th October 2017, 02:30 AM   #125
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Excellent. We are in agreement.Nature changes all the time. It changes according to set rules. Those rules don't change. I ask again..........why is this so difficult for you to understand?
It is okay to me. Some basic nature's rules are like a foundation of any structure on which whole structure on up, can be made but in accordance to that foundation. OK?
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Old 24th October 2017, 02:31 AM   #126
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If you keep repeating the same bollocks despite it being explained to you page after page why it is bollocks, people will assume you are trolling. Trolling isn't good.
I tend to go upto ultimate level.
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Old 24th October 2017, 02:34 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
Oh, Kumar, those aren't rules. Those are vague platitudes
Is it somewhat, foundation and whole structure on it OR roots and whole tree up on these?
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Old 24th October 2017, 02:38 AM   #128
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We can choose not to live our lives according to nature's rules, if that's what you mean. Other animals aren't lucky enough to have that choice.



Nothing made us change. We choose to improve on nature because nature is horrible.

We improve on nature every time we give insulin to a diabetic. Even something like homeopathy is an attempt to improve on nature, although in that case an unsuccessful one.
Whatever way you interpret but it is for sure basic nature and some variations happen on its progression. I simply call it as basic and gross/current/latest.
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It is okay to me. Some basic nature's rules are like a foundation of any structure on which whole structure on up, can be made but in accordance to that foundation. OK?
Yep, but that's it. Nothing else. No other layers of rules. Just the one set. Do you understand this?
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Old 24th October 2017, 02:47 AM   #130
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Yep, but that's it. Nothing else. No other layers of rules. Just the one set. Do you understand this?
Yes but I don't understand, how evolutionary and inherited changes will be accommodated in these set/fixed nature's rules?
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Yes but I don't understand, how evolutionary and inherited changes will be accommodated in these set/fixed nature's rules?
Well do some reading then, and come back to us when you do understand. Start with "River Out of Eden" and "Climbing Mount Improbable" by Richard Dawkins. Then try "Almost Like a Whale" by Steve Jones. Until you've done that, you might find that displaying your ignorance on here will be frustrating and embarrassing.
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Old 24th October 2017, 03:08 AM   #132
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Well do some reading then, and come back to us when you do understand. Start with "River Out of Eden" and "Climbing Mount Improbable" by Richard Dawkins. Then try "Almost Like a Whale" by Steve Jones. Until you've done that, you might find that displaying your ignorance on here will be frustrating and embarrassing.
Why not this simple one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga
Characteristics of each Yuga changes with each Yuga/Cycle.
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Why not this simple one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga
Because that's made up bollocks.

Everybody else is talking about verifiable facts, and you're talking about made up bollocks.
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Old 24th October 2017, 03:29 AM   #134
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They should be following current nature's rules not basic nature's rules.
My question was "You might want to explain how posting on the internet is following "basic natures rules" and your response was a non sequitur.

You might explain how your answer had anything to do with my question. I am starting to think that I am talking to a 'bot.

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Old 24th October 2017, 03:43 AM   #135
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My question was "You might want to explain how posting on the internet is following "basic natures rules" and your response was a non sequitur.

You might explain how your answer had anything to do with my question. I am starting to think that I am talking to a 'bot.

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But how you thought, such posting on internet is related to basic nature rules? Nothing directly or indirectly relevent to it, is posted by me. But it might had indirectly indicated by other posters.
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Because that's made up bollocks.

Everybody else is talking about verifiable facts, and you're talking about made up bollocks.
Probably the whole non a&f part.
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Probably the whole non a&f part.
Also made up bollocks.
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Also made up bollocks.
Whatever you say. However this matter is not so important for OP subject because I see changes on progression of time. Tell me, basis of ist 4 at the time of their introduction.
I am feeling, I need to ask directly:
To all
Whether basis of no 1 on list, was bit gross/current or latest, of no 2.bit prime/basic/origional, no 3 bit indefinite and no 4 as a míxture of basic, gross and intermediate?
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That's meaningless incomprehensible gibberish, Kumar. Write it out again, carefully, please, giving us some chance to understand what you are asking.
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Whatever you say. However this matter is not so important for OP subject because I see changes on progression of time. Tell me, basis of ist 4 at the time of their introduction.
I am feeling, I need to ask directly:
To all
Whether basis of no 1 on list, was bit gross/current or latest, of no 2.bit prime/basic/origional, no 3 bit indefinite and no 4 as a míxture of basic, gross and intermediate?
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But yesterday or origionally if we would had climbed to that height, probably we would had not reached at top and fall but now it can happen by using lift.

That doesn't alter what will happen if you step off a high place. And the lift operates in accordance with "nature's rules" just as you do. For example, the amount of work needed to raise you to a particular height will be the same whether that work is provided by your muscles or the motor of a lift.
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Ying Tong Yiddle I Po.

Needle nardle noo.*



*To name but a few.
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What did you meant by your following post:-

"It's also unfortunate that the top two spots are the biggest troublemakers of the lot"
Exactly what it means: the two top religions in the world have been more warlike and destructive than the others, proportionally.

Doesn't make the faithful bad or anything.
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Old 24th October 2017, 06:46 AM   #144
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I tend to go upto ultimate level.
You'll never get there by continually digging holes.
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Kumar, which of the following do you consider basic nature's rules?

You can simply answer yes or no (it is a basic nature's rule) or no (it is not a basic nature's rule) for each one. Skip over any that you don't understand or can't decide.

They're numbered for convenience in answering. The numbers don't have any other meaning.

1. Energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system.
2. He who hesitates is lost.
3. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
4. Liquor is not sold on Sundays.
5. Do not covet anything that is someone else's property.
6. Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates.
7. Look both ways before crossing the street.
8. Everything that exists can continue to exist only by being in balance with itself, with other things, and with the whole system of which it is a part.
9. It is attachment that causes suffering.
10. Keep yourself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
11. Social harmony results from everyone accepting their place in the natural order.
12. If a man destroy the eye of another man, they shall destroy his eye.
13. It is what it is.
14. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.
15. An object will remain at rest or in uniform motion unless acted upon by an external force.
16. The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack.
17. Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.
18. Do be a plate cleaner. Don't be a food fussy.
19. Do what ye will, and harm no one.
20. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
21. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
22. In a right triangle, the square of the length of the hypotenuse equals the sum of the squares of the adjacent sides.
23. If at first you don't succeed, try, try one more time and then quit and binge-watch House of Cards.
24. Only Nixon could go to China.
25. The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
26. Almost all processes that are not obviously simple can be viewed as computations of equivalent sophistication.
27. Never use a tool that's more intelligent than you are.
28. Luminous beings are we. Not this crude matter.
29. Like causes like; and things which have once been in contact with each other continue to act on each other at a distance after the physical contact has been severed.
30. Nearly all energy used by plants and animals comes directly or indirectly from the sun via photosynthesis.
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Welcome here.

Probably, to be secular may also be somewhat religion in opposite sense.

Yes, but they should have also considered some basis of introducing any religion, natural or social laws, if not selfish laws.?
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Don't we need non-religious to know entity of religious one?
That doesn't mean being secular is a religion
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Kumar, which of the following do you consider basic nature's rules?

You can simply answer yes or no (it is a basic nature's rule) or no (it is not a basic nature's rule) for each one. Skip over any that you don't understand or can't decide.

They're numbered for convenience in answering. The numbers don't have any other meaning.

1. Energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system.

YES
2. He who hesitates is lost.
NO.BW-Both way
3. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
??
4. Liquor is not sold on Sundays.
NO
5. Do not covet anything that is someone else's property.
NO
6. Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates.
Somewhat YES.
7. Look both ways before crossing the street.
YES
8. Everything that exists can continue to exist only by being in balance with itself, with other things, and with the whole system of which it is a part.

YES
9. It is attachment that causes suffering.

YES
10. Keep yourself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
YES
11. Social harmony results from everyone accepting their place in the natural order.
YES
12. If a man destroy the eye of another man, they shall destroy his eye.
NO
13. It is what it is.
YES
14. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.
YES
15. An object will remain at rest or in uniform motion unless acted upon by an external force.
YES
16. The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack.
??
17. Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.
YES
18. Do be a plate cleaner. Don't be a food fussy.
YES
19. Do what ye will, and harm no one.
DEPENDS
20. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
NO
21. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
DEPENDs
22. In a right triangle, the square of the length of the hypotenuse equals the sum of the squares of the adjacent sides.

YES??
23. If at first you don't succeed, try, try one more time and then quit and binge-watch House of Cards.
NO
24. Only Nixon could go to China.
NO
25. The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
NO
26. Almost all processes that are not obviously simple can be viewed as computations of equivalent sophistication.
SEEMS YES?
27. Never use a tool that's more intelligent than you are.
NO
28. Luminous beings are we. Not this crude matter.

??
29. Like causes like; and things which have once been in contact with each other continue to act on each other at a distance after the physical contact has been severed.
YES
30. Nearly all energy used by plants and animals comes directly or indirectly from the sun via photosynthesis.
NO
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Pls give specific reply, if you can. Avoid deviating.
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That doesn't alter what will happen if you step off a high place. And the lift operates in accordance with "nature's rules" just as you do. For example, the amount of work needed to raise you to a particular height will be the same whether that work is provided by your muscles or the motor of a lift.
May be but what I physically do and what lift do, is a difference in act done and resuly therefrom. However, you can take climbing on by own foot is basic nature's rule whereas by lift a current nature's rule. You also need to consider universal impact and specific impact differently.
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Exactly what it means: the two top religions in the world have been more warlike and destructive than the others, proportionally.

Doesn't make the faithful bad or anything.
Are they individually/independently that type or mutually? However it can also confirm my POV, one based ONLY current/gross nature's rules other ONLY basic/prime nature's rules, so both bit different. Rationality should vest in maintaining some gross by keeping primes/basics. Like, somewhat for example we opt foods mixed with some salt or sugar.
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You'll never get there by continually digging holes.
Yes, so we should bot base it.

You can reply following posted earlier, if you can:

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Whether basis of no 1 on list, was bit gross/current or latest, of no 2.bit prime/basic/original, no 3 bit indefinite and no 4 as a míxture of basic, gross and intermediate??
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Old 24th October 2017, 09:22 PM   #153
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That doesn't mean being secular is a religion
Yes somewhat odd.

You can reply following posted earlier, if you can:

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Old 24th October 2017, 10:38 PM   #154
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Pls give specific reply, if you can.
I cannot give a specific reply to incomprehensible gibberish.

I chose to reply with some well known incomprehensible gibberish, to give you an idea of what reading your posts is like for the rest of us.
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Old 24th October 2017, 10:49 PM   #155
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Pls give specific reply, if you can. Avoid deviating.
That was a specific reply, without deviation. It said, more clearly and in fewer words, exactly what I said: your previous post was incomprehensible. We speak English here: it would be good if you'd try to also.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
........"To all
Whether basis of no 1 on list, was bit gross/current or latest, of no 2.bit prime/basic/original, no 3 bit indefinite and no 4 as a míxture of basic, gross and intermediate??
This was the incomprehensible gibberish we were referring to. It means nothing at all.

Further, it was only yesterday that you were told repeatedly that there was no such differential as "basic, intermediate, and gross". You seem to think you are dealing with idiots, who'll forget the reality of science and just accept your guff without question.

Have you bought any of the books that have been recommended?
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May be but what I physically do and what lift do, is a difference in act done and resuly therefrom.

No, there is no difference in result. If you are on top of a high building, you will have exactly the same amount of potential energy relative to ground level whether you have taken the stairs or the lift to get there.

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However, you can take climbing on by own foot is basic nature's rule whereas by lift a current nature's rule.

Nonsense. Taking a lift is just something that technology allows us to do. It doesn't involve any alteration to "nature's rules".

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You also need to consider universal impact and specific impact differently.

Your impact will be determined by how high the thing you stepped off is, not how you got to the top of it.
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They should be following current nature's rules not basic nature's rules.

Nope. If you "should" follow a rule, it is not one of nature"s rules.
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Kumar, if a religion were to prohibit posting on Internet forums, would that prohibition be one of "current nature's rules"?
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I cannot give a specific reply to incomprehensible gibberish.

I chose to reply with some well known incomprehensible gibberish, to give you an idea of what reading your posts is like for the rest of us.
Sorry, it is bit indicative to me, when you want/can discuss, you do not make this excuse otherwise make.
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