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Old 25th October 2017, 12:12 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
I cannot give a specific reply to incomprehensible gibberish.

I chose to reply with some well known incomprehensible gibberish, to give you an idea of what reading your posts is like for the rest of us.
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That was a specific reply, without deviation. It said, more clearly and in fewer words, exactly what I said: your previous post was incomprehensible. We speak English here: it would be good if you'd try to also.
Same, as my last post.
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Old 25th October 2017, 12:18 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Sorry, it is bit indicative to me, when you want/can discuss, you do not make this excuse otherwise make.
Sometimes I can work out what you mean. Other times I can't. This particular post was utterly incomprehensible, even to those of us who have had plenty of practise at extracting intended meaning from your tortured English.
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Old 25th October 2017, 12:36 AM   #163
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Sometimes I can work out what you mean. Other times I can't. This particular post was utterly incomprehensible, even to those of us who have had plenty of practise at extracting intended meaning from your tortured English.
Possible. Few of my posts are bit deep and dynamic. Difficult to swim in them. Simply, I was willing to understand if basis of few religions were basic nature rules and of others, gross.?
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Old 25th October 2017, 12:53 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Possible. Few of my posts are bit deep and dynamic. Difficult to swim in them.
No, it's not that. It's your inability to write clear English that is the problem.

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I still have no idea how you're dividing nature's rules into those categories, but I know of no religion which is based on nature's rules at all. Most are attempts to impose some sort of ethical framework onto a universe which does not have one, i.e. to improve on nature's rules.
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Old 25th October 2017, 12:59 AM   #165
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Possible. Few of my posts are bit deep and dynamic.

Very few. Most, if not all, of them are shallow and adhere rigidly to misunderstandings.

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You're getting dangerously close to The Emperor's New Clothes here. An attempt to argue that their pronouncement are too advanced for people to understand is a common refuge of charlatans. If your posts are unintelligible, the communication problems that result are your fault, not anyone else's.

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Simply, I was willing to understand if basis of few religions were basic nature rules and of others, gross.?

And you have been txt that religions are human inventions. Get over it.
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Old 25th October 2017, 01:17 AM   #166
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No, it's not that. It's your inability to write clear English that is the problem.


I still have no idea how you're dividing nature's rules into those categories, but I know of no religion which is based on nature's rules at all. Most are attempts to impose some sort of ethical framework onto a universe which does not have one, i.e. to improve on nature's rules.
I doubt all above. It can be one or majority POV but not universal.
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I doubt all above. It can be one or majority POV but not universal.
Doubt away, but to convince me you'd have to find an example of a religion which is based on nature's rules - that's nature's actual rules, not ones made up by people. I'm not saying there's no such religion - there may well be - but I can't think of one.

Crowley's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" comes closest, I suppose.
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Old 25th October 2017, 01:27 AM   #168
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Very few. Most, if not all, of them are shallow and adhere rigidly to misunderstandings.




You're getting dangerously close to The Emperor's New Clothes here. An attempt to argue that their pronouncement are too advanced for people to understand is a common refuge of charlatans. If your posts are unintelligible, the communication problems that result are your fault, not anyone else's.
Still, anyway we need to manage it to try to get better understandings.




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And you have been txt that religions are human inventions. Get over it.
That was the basic question to really understand any religion. You can not take your primative forefather or some older fore father or father with one consideration. They must had been influenced by different environment as existed during their life time.Environment change can also be dependent on nature's change.
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Doubt away, but to convince me you'd have to find an example of a religion which is based on nature's rules - that's nature's actual rules, not ones made up by people. I'm not saying there's no such religion - there may well be - but I can't think of one.

Crowley's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" comes closest, I suppose.
Few quotes somewhat justifying nature's basic rules, I already gave elsewhere. You would had read those, if you are following me.

I shall see it later. Thanks.
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Few quotes somewhat justifying nature's basic rules, I already gave elsewhere. You would had read those, if you are following me.
I have been following you (well, those posts of yours which I can make any sense out of, which is maybe half of them) and I've yet to see you give an example of a religion which is based on nature's actual rules.
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Old 25th October 2017, 01:50 AM   #171
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Crowley's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" comes closest, I suppose.
Just did a bit of research on Crowley to find out what he based his religion on and no, it definitely does not qualify as a religion based on nature's rules.

So I'm still waiting for an example of a religion which is. Jainism, the religion Kumar has been advocating, certainly isn't, quite the reverse.
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Old 25th October 2017, 01:56 AM   #172
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....Have you bought any of the books that have been recommended?
Still waiting.
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I think Kumar is confusing what most people understand as 'natural laws' (physical or scientific laws) with philosophy. The twain never shall meet.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law

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Natural law (Latin: ius naturale, lex naturalis) is a philosophy asserting that certain rights are inherent by virtue of human nature, endowed by nature
Adding in a little bit of law of the jungle.

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The law of the jungle" is an expression that means "every man for himself", "anything goes", "survival of the strongest", "survival of the fittest", "kill or be killed", "dog eat dog" and "eat or be eaten". The Oxford English Dictionary defines the Law of the Jungle as "the code of survival in jungle life, now usually with reference to the superiority of brute force or self-interest in the struggle for survival."[1] It is also known as jungle law or frontier justice.

The phrase was used in a poem by Rudyard Kipling to describe the obligations and behaviour of a wolf in a pack. However, this use of the term has been overtaken in popularity by the other interpretations above
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That was the basic question to really understand any religion. You can not take your primative forefather or some older fore father or father with one consideration. They must had been influenced by different environment as existed during their life time.Environment change can also be dependent on nature's change.

Conditions and environment can change, but the basic "rules" don't. If they can be changed they are not "nature's rules".
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Just did a bit of research on Crowley to find out what he based his religion on and no, it definitely does not qualify as a religion based on nature's rules.

So I'm still waiting for an example of a religion which is. Jainism, the religion Kumar has been advocating, certainly isn't, quite the reverse.
Same old idiocy. Giving a reference is not owning or advocating that like other poster assumed abou PETA & Jainism. With me, pls concentrate of universal sense/concept not on specific entity. If anything anywhere matches with somewhat relevant to what we are discussing/checking, it does not mean everything of that will also match. Such individual or partial matching can be possible with every existing thing.
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Still waiting.
No, not yet practical for me. Moreover I also have other references.
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Kumar, if a religion were to prohibit posting on Internet forums, would that prohibition be one of "current nature's rules"?
Yes.
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I think Kumar is confusing what most people understand as 'natural laws' (physical or scientific laws) with philosophy. The twain never shall meet.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law



Adding in a little bit of law of the jungle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_jungle
I think, posters here since have scientific base are getting confused due to above variations.
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Same old idiocy. Giving a reference is not owning or advocating that like other poster assumed abou PETA & Jainism. With me, pls concentrate of universal sense/concept not on specific entity. If anything anywhere matches with somewhat relevant to what we are discussing/checking, it does not mean everything of that will also match. Such individual or partial matching can be possible with every existing thing.
Impossible. You're admitting you speak only nonsense, and are asking us to find the sense in between your words.
I'm afraid that's not how it works.

Let me ask you: what, according to you, are these laws of nature that a true religion must obey?
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Conditions and environment can change, but the basic "rules" don't. If they can be changed they are not "nature's rules".
How can you claim it when you even do not know what nature's rules are and what can be their basis?
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I think, posters here since have scientific base are getting confused due to above variations.
No kumar, your inability to express yourself clearly is what causes confusion.
There are natural laws, which are unchanging and control how the universe as we know it works, and stuff made up by people, which are generally random and incoherent.

Be clear on what you want to debate.
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No kumar, your inability to express yourself clearly is what causes confusion.
There are natural laws, which are unchanging and control how the universe as we know it works, and stuff made up by people, which are generally random and incoherent.

Be clear on what you want to debate.
First I want to lnow what are nature's laws which never change and what is the basis of those?
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First I want to lnow what are nature's laws which never change and what is the basis of those?
What, again? Weren't you paying attention?

The basis is science and maths. Are these a problem for you?
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Impossible. You're admitting you speak only nonsense, and are asking us to find the sense in between your words.
I'm afraid that's not how it works.

Let me ask you: what, according to you, are these laws of nature that a true religion must obey?
Instinct or true nature of any substance.
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What, again? Weren't you paying attention?

The basis is science and maths. Are these a problem for you?
Are you suggesting science and maths had made the nature's rules and whatever is available in these two are only the nature's rules even atom bombs?
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Instinct or true nature of any substance.
Great. So we need a religion that requires us to poop, eat, blink, drink, fight, flee, and have sex. Not necessarily in that order.
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Are they individually/independently that type or mutually? However it can also confirm my POV, one based ONLY current/gross nature's rules other ONLY basic/prime nature's rules, so both bit different. Rationality should vest in maintaining some gross by keeping primes/basics. Like, somewhat for example we opt foods mixed with some salt or sugar.
Is that word salad supposed to mean anything? None of your posts directed at me seem to actually address what I said or make any sort of argument. I could be wrong but you're being so incoherent that it's hard to tell.
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Are you suggesting science and maths had made the nature's rules and whatever is available in these two are only the nature's rules even atom bombs?
It took me 5 goes reading this babble to discern any possible meaning from it, but if it means what I think it means, then...........yes. All natures rules are written in numbers, and mathematicians and scientists are uncovering them.
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Great. So we need a religion that requires us to poop, eat, blink, drink, fight, flee, and have sex. Not necessarily in that order.
You need it or not, it is different and personal issue and whatever you suggested above may not come under definition given by me. Read some other quote, posted today only.
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It took me 5 goes reading this babble to discern any possible meaning from it, but if it means what I think it means, then...........yes. All natures rules are written in numbers, and mathematicians and scientists are uncovering them.
Slight deviation. They may have uncovered to some extent but they are not the basis of nature rule creation.
Who created nature and nature rules and what are they?
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Is that word salad supposed to mean anything? None of your posts directed at me seem to actually address what I said or make any sort of argument. I could be wrong but you're being so incoherent that it's hard to tell.
There appear to be some MPOVs issue, so can not be solved by any arguments. So we can leave that. Now.
What is the basis of all existences in this world? Is it nature?
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Are you suggesting science and maths had made the nature's rules and whatever is available in these two are only the nature's rules even atom bombs?
Cart before the horse. Understanding of nature's rules allows one to describe them through scientific and mathematical means. And yes, atom bombs are one example of nature's laws. A scientific and mathematical understanding of nature's laws allowed the construction of atom bombs. And ice cream, too. Over your head, I suppose, but that's life.
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There appear to be some MPOVs issue, so can not be solved by any arguments.
Actually, that's what arguments are for.

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Old 25th October 2017, 05:00 AM   #194
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Cart before the horse. Understanding of nature's rules allows one to describe them through scientific and mathematical means. And yes, atom bombs are one example of nature's laws. A scientific and mathematical understanding of nature's laws allowed the construction of atom bombs. And ice cream, too. Over your head, I suppose, but that's life.
Are you suggesting that the prime basis of all things and beings since begining to end is and will be nature only?
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Old 25th October 2017, 05:00 AM   #195
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
........Who created nature and nature rules.....
No-one. Now stick to the subject.
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Old 25th October 2017, 05:02 AM   #196
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Are you suggesting that the prime basis of all things and beings since begining to end is and will be nature only?
What does this have to do with the topic?

You asked about differences between religions. I made a comment about the top two most popular ones today being bigger troublemakers than the others. Also, nonbelief is not a religion.

That's it.
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Old 25th October 2017, 05:09 AM   #197
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Who created nature and nature rules and what are they?
All right, I admit it, it was me. And yes, I am the only source of the One True Religion.

I don't need your worship though, just try not to be an *******, and take care of the ecosystem.
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I was willing to understand if basis of few religions were basic nature rules and of others, gross.?
Maybe try with writing in your native language, whatever it is. Many of us might understand it better than your English.
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All right, I admit it, it was me. And yes, I am the only source of the One True Religion.

I don't need your worship though, just try not to be an *******, and take care of the ecosystem.
Evidence?
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Old 25th October 2017, 06:12 AM   #200
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Evidence?
So you HAVE learned something in those 14 years?
Too bad you won't apply it.
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