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Old 30th October 2017, 12:20 PM   #1
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Manus Island "Processing" centre closing today - Could get ugly

What a mess man.

I think all will not end well

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...30-gzb954.html

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Manus Island asylum seekers secure fences, barricade themselves inside processing centre as closure looms

Hundreds of refugees and asylum seekers are barricading themselves inside the Manus Island processing centre and refusing to leave amid fears they'll be attacked if they venture outside the compound's wire fences.

Refugees are repairing and securing damaged barbed wire on the compound's perimeter fences to protect them from possible attacks as confrontation between the men, locals and Papua New Guinea authorities looms.

Tensions have been rising on the island before it is shutdown, and refugee advocates have expressed fears the "powderkeg" may erupt into violence involving locals, detainees and police.

Some 600 men have been refusing to leave the centre at the Lombrum​ Navy Base, despite its planned closure on Tuesday, saying they won't be safe at three other facilities in and around the island's main town of Lorengau​ earmarked for the asylum seekers' relocation.

They have vowed to resist any attempts to move them amid reports locals are threatening to arm themselves to stop detainees moving into their community.

Alternative accommodation has been offered but one facility, West Lorengau Haus, is not ready and another, Hillside Haus, consists mostly of "transferable accommodation containers".

Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Ian Rintoul said fear in the centre was rising.

"On the one hand is the fear that, as so often has been the case, Border Force and the PNG police will use force against them," Mr Rintoul said.

"On the other, there is the fear that they wil be vulnerable to the violence and threats that has seen so many of them robbed, bashed, and attacked with knives and machetes. They have been warned, if you move to Hillside, you will be killed."

Dining facilities at Lombrum have closed, with the asylum seekers relying on basic food parcels containing muesli bars, muffins, cornflakes and pre-cooked meals that they have been told will last two days.

"Outside they will also be deprived of medical and other support with no hope of a secure future," Mr Rintoul said.

"No one has explained where over 600 people are going to find enough food in Lorengau."

He said one refugee told the Refugee Action Coalition: "It doesn't matter if the Australians walk away from the detention centre, we are not going to leave."

Meanwhile, lawyer Ben Lomai, who in a previous Supreme Court challenge has represented the men detained on Manus, said he would seek an urgent order from the court that food, water, and electricity should be provided to those in the centre beyond Tuesday.

"Those necessities of food, water and electricity must be maintained because that is their constitutional right," he said.

Mr Lomai, who plans to file the court application early Tuesday morning, said he would also seek orders guaranteeing the men's safety if and when they were moved from the centre.

It followed fresh human rights concerns raised by the United Nations in recent days with the PNG government warning Canberra that it would not force refugees to resettle in the country if they did not want to remain, and said Australia was responsible for dealing with them.

"It is PNG's position that as long as there is one individual from this arrangement that remains in PNG, Australia will continue to provide financial and other support to PNG to manage the persons transferred under the arrangement until the last last person leaves or is independently resettled in PNG," Immigration Minister Petrus Thomas said in a statement.

Mr Thomas said his government had discharged its responsibilities under the two countries' asylum seeker processing arrangement and Australia now had to find a solution for the men who had not been granted refugee status and refugees who refused to stay in PNG.

He urged the Australian government to maintain all necessary medical and mental health services on Manus.

Amnesty International, which has had a team on the island over recent days, said it was concerned about the restrictions to food, power, water, and medical and sanitation services imposed on the men at the centre, and urged the Australian and PNG governments to prevent violence from erupting as the centre was forcibly closed.

In April, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton flagged that the centre would be closed by October 31, but last week warned that ongoing resistance would "make it hard for us to achieve" the deadline.

Fairfax Media has contacted Mr Dutton's office for a response.
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Old 30th October 2017, 01:07 PM   #2
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God, first time Manus has made the news since 1943....
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Old 1st November 2017, 10:14 AM   #3
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While PNG are, in my opinion, right to say that the people in the detention centre are Australia's problem, the sad fact is that Australia will quite easily wash their hands of the matter.

After issues came up with the legality of offshore detention the government did some legal mumbo-jumbo to say that the people sent to Manus, and also Nauru, were the responsibility of their respective countries and that Australia was basically helping them deal with the asylum seekers that were there. Never mind that none of the people were trying to claim asylum in PNG or Nauru in the first place.

Odds are if Australia is forced to do something all they'll do is send them directly to Nauru, to languish in a different camp until they decide that the warzone or authoritarian government that will most likely punish them for having left is a better option.
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Old 2nd November 2017, 07:51 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
God, first time Manus has made the news since 1943....
It makes the news almost daily here.

Abbott, Turnbull, Rudd, Gillard and others responsible for this mess should be dragged before The Hague.
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