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24th November 2017, 12:50 PM | #1 |
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NY hunter kills woman he thought was a deer
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http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/hu...-way-too-short |
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24th November 2017, 01:26 PM | #3 |
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24th November 2017, 01:26 PM | #4 |
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Articles describe it as a high power single-shot pistol. Those are used for hunting, but not typically for bear defense where you want multiple shots.
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24th November 2017, 01:27 PM | #5 |
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She had a large rack
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24th November 2017, 01:28 PM | #6 |
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Lots of people do. Many pistols are as accurate and as powerful as the old 30-30 standby that take more deer than anything. The average deer shot in America is at 30 yards.
I used a Remington XP 100 pistol, scoped and re-barreled to 7mm TCU. eta: You just called me a "dangerously incompetent idiot". Watch your rule 12/0. |
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I missed the part where it was explained how the shooter mistook a biped (a human) for a quadruped (deer)
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Ah fair enough, 30yds seems very close, and certainly close enough to spot the difference between a deer and a human.
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One of the comments under an article I read about this a few days ago was along the lines of 'it was the woman's fault for not wearing orange so the hunter could see her'.
Bizarre. Something that's hard to understand being a non US person, is how the hell someone can shoot someone and not be charged with something. |
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Terrible. Happens every year.
Obviously the low-light conditions, and the irresponsibility of the shooter are to blame. But people's eyes sometimes play tricks on them. |
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Given that the shooter was hunting illegally (after sunset, and on his neiggbor's property without permission, according to the article linked in the OP), I think manslaughter charges would be entirely appropriate.
These accidents happen all too often. Sometimes it's irresponsible practices (such as shooting at sound or movement in the brush without a clear view of the target). Sometimes it's just a case of the hunter seeing what they want to see instead of what's really there. |
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I hope that charges get filed. If the provided times are accurate, this is at the very least manslaughter/negligent homicide (whatever they happen to call it in New York). It's not just an accident when it happens while violating a law specifically intended to prevent it.
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24th November 2017, 03:06 PM | #18 |
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Was he out hunting or did he see something out his window and go shoot it?
Did he have a valid hunting license and a deer tag? |
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I was taught to positively identify your target before shooting ... In the vast majority of "Wildlife management Units" as we call them here ... you HAVE too be able to identify if the deer has antlers over 4" long or not before shooting.
I frankly have not been deer hunting very often but so far I've harvested three deer ... with four shots (I had to shoot one twice) .. from a shotgun too .. I missed plenty by NOT shooting ... not sure of their antler length or my backstop if I missed or the location of my hunting mates Although here's nowhere here in Ontario where you are allowed legally .. there's nothing wrong with hunting with a pistol, that's not a factor, but seriously? ... the onus should be on the hunter ... chargers should be filed EVERY time the hunter shoots a person ... it would help reduce incidences in my opinion. The other thing as a back up and for safety? .. Outdoorsmen, might want to keep the narrow window of deer hunting in mind when doing outdoor activities ... one does not set up a picnic on an american football field during super bowl. |
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It happens a lot. In Finland it is currently the hunting season. I was walking through the forests around the back, and on our way back, heard loud bangs. I commented it must be dynamite (which builders around there use to break up granite boulders blocking house building). My co-walker said no, it's the elk hunters. He said walkers are advised to always wear something red so they don't get mistaken for prey.
Anyway, as soon as we reached the road, a jeep screeched up behind us. I stepped aside to let it pass, and to my surprise, it reversed slightly and a guy leapt out with a hunting rifle, wearing army fatigues, and proceeded to start shooting at something behind the trees of the path we had just come out of. I feel 100% sure he thought we were deer and very nearly shot us! Pretending instead to be aiming at something behind us. |
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If caught doing that here in Canada it's a 5 year ban on owning firearms AND they TAKE all your firearms and destroy them ...
A family member of mine shot from a roadway and was spotted by an average citizen, whom reported it, recording the licence plate on his truck ... the government used forensics to identify the brass cartridge case found on site, as coming from his rifle ... as well as the above ... he got an additional $4000 fine for lying to a "Conservation Officer" about the incident. |
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And reasonably so I feel!
There's an old meme here ... if you're hunting and the cops show up .. you're like .. Ahhh it's just the cops, no worries .. The Ministry of Natural Resourses and Conservation Officers show up?? ... On the other hand? ... They can confiscate, for example .. your home FREEZER without warrant on reasonable suspicion alone Frankly I don't have huge problem with that ... hunt within the law .. you're good |
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It was quite scary. However, if they have a licence, they are allowed to hunt within the season. I don't know if they have laws against shooting from the road.
My grandfather would go out hunting with a slug of vodka. They might need culling, but people I speak to these days don't like the hunting of wild animals, although I do have one young-ish close family who enjoys hunting for the venison meat and wild boar, which he prepares himself. The taste is a bit strong IMV. |
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This is just up I-86 from me, and she did work at the hospital with some of my family.
Hopefully this man will be charged and never own firearms again, and serve time in prison. This is completely unjustifiable. Perhaps it will be a wake up call for the police to finally take the massive number of trespassing and firearm infractions from hunters seriously. Besides this and the guy shooting his son, a guy in Randolph shot a school bus a few years back. I'm a gun owner, and have many hunters in the family. This guy broke far too many laws and rule for it not to be criminal negligence. He was took close to the road. He didn't have permission to hunt on that land (which happens all the time on my brother's and his gf's farm, far too many dirtbag hunters around here). It was well after dark. He didn't identify what he was shooting at. He took the shot from outside his usable range (he was aiming at one of the dogs and hit the woman he didn't even see). This is far too many aggravating factors to just be 'an accident'. All of this would have to be known to him because in this county an intensive hunter safety course is mandatory. I take a very dim view of poachers in general, let alone poachers who kill people. Throw the book at him. Make sure all the hunters around here know that the laws are there for a reason. |
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This link was in the original post. No reason not to read the short article, right?
http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/hu...way-too-short/
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