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Old 2nd December 2017, 07:46 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
I simply informed you [Breitbart is] just reporting the news, the news being an opinion piece by Dershowitz.
You know what else is news? Garfield comics! And Beetle Bailey! Hey, they’re in the newspaper, right?
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Old 2nd December 2017, 07:47 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
You know what else is news? Garfield comics! And Beetle Bailey! Hey, they’re in the newspaper, right?

And here's even more news: The current GOP is a threat to America.

Turns out, everybody has news!
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Old 2nd December 2017, 07:48 PM   #243
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JFYI: Breitbart is one of those German compositive words, Bart meaning beard, Breit meaning broad, wide, colloquially also drunk or stoned. Like those Ashkenazi Jew names (Blumenthal is the valley of the flowers, Zuckerberg is the mountain of sugar, Rothschild is the red shield).
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Old 2nd December 2017, 10:12 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Lol

Dershowitz’s opinion on this issue is actually news.

Rupert Murdoch and others have made a buttload of money based on the fact there are many Americans* who don’t know or don’t care about the difference.

*primarily
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And they deleted my comment, which was a courteously-worded reply to someone who said something like "is this all they got on Flynn?", and I replied that this was just the start, and Flynn had clearly struck a deal that would lead to him incriminating Trump.
It is a simple tactic. Charge Flynn so that they have a hold on him while revealing nothing about their next move.
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Old 2nd December 2017, 11:27 PM   #246
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It is a simple tactic. Charge Flynn so that they have a hold on him while revealing nothing about their next move.
I know; my comment was about RT.
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I know; my comment was about RT.
Not disagreeing, just expanding.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 02:39 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
It wasn’t posted as proof, it was posted as more news. It’s my opinion it is a nothing burger.
Really? The (now ex) national security advisor to the POTUS lied to the FBI about his conversations with the official representative of a foreign power and that is a minor matter?
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Old 3rd December 2017, 03:49 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Donald Trump walks out of the White House in cuffs.

Logger:

"It's the left hoping for something real! Nothing to see here"

Come on man. Up your game. That's pathetic.


Donald Trump engages in an armed siege with the police and FBI who have been sent to remove him, hanging out the White House window with a hunting rifle in his hands and his overly long tie around his head like an orange Rambo.

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"It's the left hoping for something real! Nothing to see here"
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Old 3rd December 2017, 03:59 AM   #250
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Donald Trump engages in an armed siege with the police and FBI who have been sent to remove him, hanging out the White House window with a hunting rifle in his hands and his overly long tie around his head like an orange Rambo.

Logger:

"It's the left hoping for something real! Nothing to see here"
Do try to restrain your imagination to the realms of the possible. That could never happen, Trump's tiny crinkled paws could never operate a trigger. You know those wide triangular crayons they make especially for toddlers? Perhaps if someone manufactured a gun with a trigger like that he could manage it.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 04:08 AM   #251
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Do try to restrain your imagination to the realms of the possible. That could never happen, Trump's tiny crinkled paws could never operate a trigger. You know those wide triangular crayons they make especially for toddlers? Perhaps if someone manufactured a gun with a trigger like that he could manage it.
You are of course correct. I apologise unreservedly.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Do try to restrain your imagination to the realms of the possible. That could never happen, Trump's tiny crinkled paws could never operate a trigger. You know those wide triangular crayons they make especially for toddlers? Perhaps if someone manufactured a gun with a trigger like that he could manage it.
No need for hand use at all. They make shooting mounts that allow you to aim and fire using only your chin and mouth.
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Big picture, Putin uses Russia’s social misinformation services before the campaign to push an anti-Clinton and, later, a pro-Trump narrative. After the election, Flynn contacts Russia about easing US sanctions against Russia which, ultimately, Trump simply refuses to enforce.

What does “quid pro quo” mean, again?
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:17 AM   #254
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Originally Posted by FenerFan View Post
No need for hand use at all. They make shooting mounts that allow you to aim and fire using only your chin and mouth.
If he can use all of his chins he will achieve a very fast firing rate!
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
Big picture, Putin uses Russia’s social misinformation services before the campaign to push an anti-Clinton and, later, a pro-Trump narrative. After the election, Flynn contacts Russia about easing US sanctions against Russia which, ultimately, Trump simply refuses to enforce.

What does “quid pro quo” mean, again?

What? "Easing US sanctions"? He asked Russia to not escalate in response to Obama's silly sanctions. Successfully, or at least Russia didn't escalate at that time for some reason. And he asked Russia on behalf of Israel to vote against the Egypt-sponsored UN resolution to condemn the illegal settlements in Palestine. Which Russia didn't do, it voted for the resolution.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 09:04 AM   #256
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What? "Easing US sanctions"? He asked Russia to not escalate in response to Obama's silly sanctions. Successfully, or at least Russia didn't escalate at that time for some reason. And he asked Russia on behalf of Israel to vote against the Egypt-sponsored UN resolution to condemn the illegal settlements in Palestine. Which Russia didn't do, it voted for the resolution.
You don't seem to understand: Nothing that these people say about what was discussed, after first lying about anything being discussed, is credible.

TrumpCo tried to find a way to unilaterally lift the sanctions:
Trump White House Made Secret Efforts to Remove Russia Sanctions

Trump was supposed to implement Obama's new sanctions for election meddling on October 1st, but:
Congress: Trump Won’t Implement Russia Sanctions — and He Won’t Tell Us Why


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Quid pro quo is a Latin phrase that literally means "something for something." The phrase usually indicates an exchange of goods or services of roughly equivalent value.

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Old 3rd December 2017, 09:31 AM   #257
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You don't seem to understand: Nothing that these people say about what was discussed, after first lying about anything being discussed, is credible.

It's you who doesn't understand. What I described is what Flynn pleaded guilty to having lied about, it's what the Mueller investigation says was discussed.

You people should really learn to read primary sources instead of letting those talking heads poison your brains. Would spare you some embarrassments.
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
Big picture, Putin uses Russia’s social misinformation services before the campaign to push an anti-Clinton and, later, a pro-Trump narrative. After the election, Flynn contacts Russia about easing US sanctions against Russia which, ultimately, Trump simply refuses to enforce.

What does “quid pro quo” mean, again?
And let's not forget that Trump et al dialed back the language in the GOP platform concerning Ukraine. Which they lied about of course, as if God almighty made the edits.
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
Big picture, Putin uses Russia’s social misinformation services before the campaign to push an anti-Clinton and, later, a pro-Trump narrative. After the election, Flynn contacts Russia about easing US sanctions against Russia which, ultimately, Trump simply refuses to enforce.

What does “quid pro quo” mean, again?
I find the compartmentalizing of this whole affair interesting. It seems a lot of people can only manage the current headline and aren't integrating it into the whole.
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It's you who doesn't understand. What I described is what Flynn pleaded guilty to having lied about, it's what the Mueller investigation says was discussed.

You people should really learn to read primary sources instead of letting those talking heads poison your brains. Would spare you some embarrassments.
... says a poster who a few minutes earlier foisted opinion from Judicial Watch <guffaw> rather than identify whatever facts in the source documents are of import.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 09:59 AM   #261
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
It's you who doesn't understand. What I described is what Flynn pleaded guilty to having lied about, it's what the Mueller investigation says was discussed.

You people should really learn to read primary sources instead of letting those talking heads poison your brains. Would spare you some embarrassments.
LOL, another thing that sensible people will not believe is that that's all there is to the story. For one thing, this particular conversation was months after the Russian dirty work was done and the Trump campaign was well aware that Russia had hacked the DNC and Podesta emails and wanted to help Trump win, so any quid pro quo agreement would have already been in place.

Here's where we've been, so far, with their version of the story:

We had nothing to do with Russia.

Okay, some people talked to Russians and lied about it, but we didn't talk about the sanctions or Hillary's emails so there was no collusion.

Okay, some people talked to Russians about sanctions and Hillary's emails and lied about it, but there was no collusion.


With new evidence about TrumpCo lies coming out virtually every week, there is no reason to think we're at the end, and in fact, with Flynn copping a plea, there is every reason to think we're only on about Chapter 4.
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LOL, another thing that sensible people will not believe is that that's all there is to the story. For one thing, this particular conversation was months after the Russian dirty work was done and the Trump campaign was well aware that Russia had hacked the DNC and Podesta emails and wanted to help Trump win, so any quid pro quo agreement would have already been in place.

Here's where we've been, so far, with their version of the story:

We had nothing to do with Russia.

Okay, some people talked to Russians and lied about it, but we didn't talk about the sanctions or Hillary's emails so there was no collusion.

Okay, some people talked to Russians about sanctions and Hillary's emails and lied about it, but there was no collusion.


With new evidence about TrumpCo lies coming out virtually every week, there is no reason to think we're at the end, and in fact, with Flynn copping a plea, there is every reason to think we're only on about Chapter 4.
Lol

New evidence?

What Flynn was charged with has been known for months.
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... says a poster who a few minutes earlier foisted opinion from Judicial Watch <guffaw> rather than identify whatever facts in the source documents are of import.
Ah, Judicial Watch has been responsible for getting government hidden information OUT on a host of issues. Naturally the left would would have spasms over that.
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You don't seem to understand: Nothing that these people say about what was discussed, after first lying about anything being discussed, is credible.
Lol

Are you now agreeing with Dershowitz?
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Really? The (now ex) national security advisor to the POTUS lied to the FBI about his conversations with the official representative of a foreign power and that is a minor matter?
Ah, with respect to Russian collusion? Yes!
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Lol

New evidence?

What Flynn was charged with has been known for months.
We also know what he wasn't charged with, and we know why.
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Ah, Judicial Watch has been responsible for getting government hidden information OUT on a host of issues. Naturally the left would would have spasms over that.
Getting information out? No problem.
Consuming said information? No problem.
Relying on Judicial Watch's editorializing about said information? Big problem.
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Getting information out? No problem.
Consuming said information? No problem.
Relying on Judicial Watch's editorializing about said information? Big problem.


You can identify the information.

You can consume the information.

But you can’t get past the editorializing. Got it.
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I think maybe what Russia got in return for helping Trump was to keep its client state, Syria.
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We also know what he wasn't charged with, and we know why.
It's really telling that none of the Turkey stuff, unregistered foreign agent for them while being NSA, the kidnapping plot, the paid for oped, etc., isn't covered in the plea. There's clearly more to come.
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I think maybe what Russia got in return for helping Trump was to keep its client state, Syria.
Definitely on the table, and easier to get away with than dropping sanctions.
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It's really telling that none of the Turkey stuff, unregistered foreign agent for them while being NSA, the kidnapping plot, the paid for oped, etc., isn't covered in the plea. There's clearly more to come.
Yep. They'll take one away for every bit of info they get from the canary
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The way it works is if you tell the feds you had oatmeal for breakfast on a particular date 2 months ago, but told them yesterday you had Cream of Wheat, that is a felony, locked in and on tape. No way out. It is a false statement, and relevance to the investigation is irrelevant.
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The way it works is if you tell the feds you had oatmeal for breakfast on a particular date 2 months ago, but told them yesterday you had Cream of Wheat, that is a felony, locked in and on tape. No way out. It is a false statement, and relevance to the investigation is irrelevant.
What you posted here is horse feces. I don't think anyone fell for it. Nice try, though.

Thanks for playing. You can go back to your Fox News forums now.
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The way it works is if you tell the feds you had oatmeal for breakfast on a particular date 2 months ago, but told them yesterday you had Cream of Wheat, that is a felony, locked in and on tape. No way out. It is a false statement, and relevance to the investigation is irrelevant.
Baloney, the "way it works" is that a false statement must be about a "material fact" to be a prosecuted as a crime.

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The way it works is if you tell the feds you had oatmeal for breakfast on a particular date 2 months ago, but told them yesterday you had Cream of Wheat, that is a felony, locked in and on tape. No way out. It is a false statement, and relevance to the investigation is irrelevant.
Oh, is that why Hillary's in jail over not knowing she accidentally sent a couple of technically classified documents through her private server? LOL
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You can identify the information.

You can consume the information.

But you can’t get past the editorializing. Got it.
We're not mind readers. When someone cites JW commentary, as opposed to the source documents, readers are unable to determine if the commentary is reasonable. Critical thinking 101, day one.
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And Dump is whining "what about Hillary" when it comes to Flynn.
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby View Post
The way it works is if you tell the feds you had oatmeal for breakfast on a particular date 2 months ago, but told them yesterday you had Cream of Wheat, that is a felony, locked in and on tape. No way out. It is a false statement, and relevance to the investigation is irrelevant.
In what universe?
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
In what universe?
The one in which you desperately want to downplay something that looks like the first of a bunch of dominoes falling.
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