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Old 6th December 2017, 12:52 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Youíre not understanding. Flynn has said this is ruining and bankrupting his family. Heís literally forced into this which is what this process is designed to do. Youíve obviously never gone up against people who have an unlimited amount of resources.
That would only make sense if he had been forced to lie to the FBI in the first place. If he is being ruined and his family is being bankrupted it is as a direct consequence of his choice I. e. he decided to lie to the FBI.
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Old 6th December 2017, 01:06 AM   #322
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That would only make sense if he had been forced to lie to the FBI in the first place. If he is being ruined and his family is being bankrupted it is as a direct consequence of his choice I. e. he decided to lie to the FBI.
Flynn's complaint sounds like a person who has killed both his parents asking for a lenient sentence because he's a orphan.......

It never fails to amuse me how members of the party of personal responsibility in the country of self-reliance always seem to find someone else to blame for anything bad that happens to them.....
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Old 6th December 2017, 01:13 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
These guys all seem to be blatant blunderers. Perhaps they just felt invulnerable.
Yeah. I think they really might have thought they'd joined the "completely above the law" crowd and behaved accordingly.
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Old 6th December 2017, 03:43 AM   #324
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Flynn's complaint sounds like a person who has killed both his parents asking for a lenient sentence because he's a orphan.......

It never fails to amuse me how members of the party of personal responsibility in the country of self-reliance always seem to find someone else to blame for anything bad that happens to them.....
That analogy amuses me.
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Old 6th December 2017, 03:45 AM   #325
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That would only make sense if he had been forced to lie to the FBI in the first place. If he is being ruined and his family is being bankrupted it is as a direct consequence of his choice I. e. he decided to lie to the FBI.
Yep he made a mistake, now itís time to ruin him. Got it.
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Old 6th December 2017, 04:18 AM   #326
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It's pathetic how some are trying to make Flynn look like a victim instead of the felon that he is.
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Old 6th December 2017, 04:29 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
It's pathetic how some are trying to make Flynn look like a victim instead of the felon that he is.
He is a pretty strange choice of "persecuted underdog". Anyone who believes that his guilty plea is due to the disparity of resources between him and the prosecutors must presumably think that every guilty plea is similarly unsafe? One has to wonder how other people with fewer resources and who can't claim such powerful friends and acquaintances ever manage to plead 'Not Gulity' let alone (on occasion) be found innocent?
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Old 6th December 2017, 04:39 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
It's pathetic how some are trying to make Flynn look like a victim instead of the felon that he is.
Republicans doing their "law and order" thing, just like they're doing their "morality" thing in Alabama and their "small government" thing with Trump.
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Old 6th December 2017, 04:46 AM   #329
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That would only make sense if he had been forced to lie to the FBI in the first place.
What fascinates me is that the FBI agents interviewing him would have had to keep straight faces while listening to him flatly deny what they had probably heard him say on tape.
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Old 6th December 2017, 05:17 AM   #330
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How could he fight them? There's no doubt he lied about these things. But there could be a reason for Mueller to get this off the table without much more attention to how the lying came about. If you have some time, here's a detailed argument along those lines. We'll see what happens but I'm pretty sure it will turn out that your opinion is based on flawed information.
If all he did was lie to another member of the administration for internal political reasons why repeat the lie to the FBI? They wouldn't care about that
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Old 6th December 2017, 06:09 AM   #331
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The whole point of pleading guilty?
Generally, people plead guilty either because they've reached an agreement with the prosecutor to receive a more lenient sentence in return for pleading guilty or because they've agreed to plead guilty to certain charges in return for other charges being dropped.
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Old 6th December 2017, 06:28 AM   #332
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Yep he made a mistake, now itís time to ruin him. Got it.
If you have had a few meetings with the Russian Ambassador a mistake would have been:
"Yes I met the Russian ambassador on the 24th, 26th and 30th May".
When it should have been:
"Yes I met the Russian ambassador on the 24th, 27th and 30th May".
A mistake is not:
"I never met the Russian ambassador"
It was his choice to decide to lie to the FBI, and yes that decision was a mistake, a mistake which has criminal ramifications.
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Old 6th December 2017, 06:31 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post

It was his choice to decide to lie to the FBI, and yes that decision was a mistake, a mistake which has criminal ramifications.
What you're ignoring is the fact that only Democrats are criminals. If it's a Republican, it's not a crime, and if it was, it was the Democrats' fault. QED.
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Old 6th December 2017, 06:54 AM   #334
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What you're ignoring is the fact that only Democrats are criminals. If it's a Republican, it's not a crime, and if it was, it was the Democrats' Hillary Clinton's fault. QED.
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Old 6th December 2017, 07:16 AM   #335
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
If you have had a few meetings with the Russian Ambassador a mistake would have been:
"Yes I met the Russian ambassador on the 24th, 26th and 30th May".
When it should have been:
"Yes I met the Russian ambassador on the 24th, 27th and 30th May".
A mistake is not:
"I never met the Russian ambassador"
It was his choice to decide to lie to the FBI, and yes that decision was a mistake, a mistake which has criminal ramifications.
Sure it is, see Jeff Sessions. Minor mistakes like meeting with Russian ambasadors or not shouldn't ever be an issue even in sworn testimony. Next you will try to say lying under oath to congress should be illegal.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Sure it is, see Jeff Sessions.
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The Sessions Defense.
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Old 6th December 2017, 07:34 AM   #337
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Yep he made a mistake, now itís time to ruin him. Got it.
We do that to EVERY confessed criminal. Or do you think that all defence attorney's work gratis?
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We do that to EVERY confessed criminal. Or do you think that all defence attorney's work gratis?
One might think that the Republican Party is overly soft on crime by them trying to make Flynn's confession to a Federal felony into "He just made a little mistake. No big deal. Time to just move on." But this is just how the Republican Party is- a bunch of warm hearted folks willing to generously forgive people and move on to more important things. One can see that with how they have treated former Democratic candidates who not only have not confessed to crimes, but who have been investigated multiple times by multiple panels and organizations and found not guilty.

I agree that it is time to move on from Michael Flynn- and I believe that Mueller is doing so.
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If all he did was lie to another member of the administration for internal political reasons why repeat the lie to the FBI? They wouldn't care about that
The lie to the FBI doesn't even seem to make any sense.

I'm starting to lean towards Flynn simply being stupid.
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What fascinates me is that the FBI agents interviewing him would have had to keep straight faces while listening to him flatly deny what they had probably heard him say on tape.
At that moment one is probably well advised to be aligning every neuron available to studying every vocal inflection and nonverbal cue made so that when experienced in the future on a subject they don't already have evidence on, they'll be able to spot the lies.
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The lie to the FBI doesn't even seem to make any sense.

I'm starting to lean towards Flynn simply being stupid.
That seemed to be the Obama Administration's take on him. Hence the warning to Trump to not hire him.
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At that moment one is probably well advised to be aligning every neuron available to studying every vocal inflection and nonverbal cue made so that when experienced in the future on a subject they don't already have evidence on, they'll be able to spot the lies.
This is why they take notes during taped interviews. Focus on the notes.

It also helps in coming back to side issues, and wrapping things up, but it really helps you keep a straight face.
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That seemed to be the Obama Administration's take on him. Hence the warning to Trump to not hire him.
No, the Obama administration illegally unmasked him.
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The lie to the FBI doesn't even seem to make any sense.

I'm starting to lean towards Flynn simply being stupid.
Why it helps to have an attorney present. He was certainly stupid for not. But clearly they were dishonestly trying to trap him. The swamp has been trying to trap this whole administration, dumbasses for not seeing early on.
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No, the Obama administration illegally unmasked him.
How was firing Flynn "illegally unmask(ing) him"?
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No, the Obama administration illegally unmasked him.
What was the highlighted referring to?

If you think that Obama did not warn Tump you may want to consider that Spicer confirmed it and Fox News reported it.
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The lie to the FBI doesn't even seem to make any sense.

I'm starting to lean towards Flynn simply being stupid.
Entirely possible.
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Whistleblower says Flynn texted people during the inauguration that the sanctions on Russia would soon "be ripped up", and a deal with Russia building nuclear reactors in the Mid East was "good to go".
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Entirely possible.
Hubris and arrogance (especially when you're surrounded by it) can make the otherwise intelligent be like that.
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Has nobody done a Downfall parody of recent events yet? Maybe starting at the point the bunker lost contact with Flynn's lawyers.
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Has nobody done a Downfall parody of recent events yet? Maybe starting at the point the bunker lost contact with Flynn's lawyers.
Doing a Downfall parody of Trump seems...I dunno. Unecessary?

I mean...wouldn't it just be Trumpertantrum's tweets as the subtitles?
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Whistleblower says Flynn texted people during the inauguration that the sanctions on Russia would soon "be ripped up", and a deal with Russia building nuclear reactors in the Mid East was "good to go".
What a dickhead. Who texts during the inauguration?
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Youíre not understanding. Flynn has said this is ruining and bankrupting his family. Heís literally forced into this which is what this process is designed to do. Youíve obviously never gone up against people who have an unlimited amount of resources.
The I guess it is too bad that both you and Flynn are not aware of the very old adage which is quite well known by police officers and convicted felons:

"If you can't do the time,

then don't do the crime."
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The I guess it is too bad that both you and Flynn are not aware of the very old adage which is quite well known by police officers and convicted felons:

"If you can't do the time,

then don't do the crime."
Luckily for him, heíll get a pardon.
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The lie to the FBI doesn't even seem to make any sense.

I'm starting to lean towards Flynn simply being stupid.
I suspect you haven't looked very closely. Follow the money, Flynn was paid by RT (a proxy for Russia) and the Turkish government. This isn't just about who he spoke to and then lied about speaking to.

There are quid pro quos here from money laundering payoffs, to ending sanctions to opening up the Arctic Wildlife Preserve to oil drilling and even fracking according to the news today.

And this:
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Whistleblower says Flynn texted people during the inauguration that the sanctions on Russia would soon "be ripped up", and a deal with Russia building nuclear reactors in the Mid East was "good to go".

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What was the highlighted referring to?

If you think that Obama did not warn Tump you may want to consider that Spicer confirmed it and Fox News reported it.
You say that, and you back it up with evidence, but that's not how this works anymore. Make up some off the wall ****, then you'll be closer.
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Whistleblower says Flynn texted people during the inauguration that the sanctions on Russia would soon "be ripped up", and a deal with Russia building nuclear reactors in the Mid East was "good to go".
What a dickhead. Who texts during the inauguration?

Gloating.

You know. Like the way the super-villain pontificates about the genius of his plan just as it is all coming to fruition?

Of course, we all know what happens right after that.

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Yep he made a mistake, now itís time to ruin him. Got it.
Yes, the planned kidnapping didn't happen and was a minor thing anyway.
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Old 6th December 2017, 10:55 PM   #359
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
At that moment one is probably well advised to be aligning every neuron available to studying every vocal inflection and nonverbal cue made so that when experienced in the future on a subject they don't already have evidence on, they'll be able to spot the lies.
lips are moving?
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UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending
US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Luckily for him, heíll get a pardon.
Yeah, I don't think that even Trump is that stupid.
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