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Old 8th January 2018, 01:17 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
The purpose of world life is to confront you with yourself.

To show themselves why the wicked will go to hell.
Didn't God create people wicked and knows in advance what everyone will do?
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Old 8th January 2018, 01:57 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Didn't God create people wicked and knows in advance what everyone will do?
He creates persons equal distance to goodness and evil in world .

He even creates a closer to the favor, the adventure that begins in the purity of a baby.

The verses in our inner order and our program are well-ordered.

However, many people choose evil with free will.

Our Lord knows without creating them, who choose goodness and who choose evil.

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Old 8th January 2018, 03:29 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"Pharaoh is a title given to Egyptian rulers in the New Kingdom (not before).


For centuries it was thought that all Egyptian rulers were referred to as Pharaohs. Actually the Christian Bible insists that Abraham and Joseph interacted with Pharaohs. However modern discoveries show that this cannot be true. Pharaoh is a title given to rulers in the Egyptian New Kingdom, not before. So there were no Pharaohs at the time of Abraham or Joseph. They were just kings. But the Quran didn't do this mistake. The Quran correctly addressed the ruler at the time of Joseph as King, and correctly addressed the ruler at the time of Moses as Pharaoh.

The Egyptian ruler at time of Joseph was a king:


[Quran 12:52] The king said, "Bring him to me, and I will reserve him for myself." And when he spoke to him, he said, "This day you are with us established and secure."

The Egyptian ruler at time of Moses was a Pharaoh:


[Quran 40:26[ Pharaoh said, "Let me kill Moses, and let him appeal to his Lord. I fear he may change your religion, or spread disorder in the land."

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles...an/pharaoh.htm

Complete and utter poppycock.

"Pharaoh" is a Greek word (with Hebrew pronunciation) which traces its etymology back to the Egyptian word "Per-Aa" which meant 'Great House'. When this word was first used, it referred to the palace of the king and its greatness, not just to the king himself. Around 1200 to 1400 BCE, it started to be used to mean Ruler (or King) of ancient Egypt.

Just because the Christian bibles or the Torah refer to the King of Egypt as "Pharoah" does not mean it is wrong to do so. The WRITERS of books such as the Christian Bibles, the Torah and the Qu'ran were not contemporaneous with the events they were supposed to have written about, so they would have written using words with meaning they and their readers would understand at the time they wrote them.

A good analogy would be, say, Alan Turing. It is well known that Turing was homosexual. If I were to say that he was "gay", that would not be incorrect merely because the word "gay" was not used to describe a homosexual man at the time Turing lived.
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And science and modernity prove both are nonsense.

It amazes me just how absurd the idea that Mohammad knew any better than Moses how the universe, the planets and how life formed.

What makes the mythology of goat herders so appealing?
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Old 8th January 2018, 05:09 PM   #85
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Quran 112:3 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"

Quran 112:4 "None is equal to Him."


Quran 43:15 They assigned a share to Him from His own servants! The human being is clearly denying.


Pantheism, Trinity,Polytheism are wrong.
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Old 8th January 2018, 05:39 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Quran 112:3 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"

Quran 112:4 "None is equal to Him."


Quran 43:15 They assigned a share to Him from His own servants! The human being is clearly denying.


Pantheism, Trinity,Polytheism are wrong.
You forgot one. Islam is wrong.

Seriously Emre, what makes you think that your scripture is any more correct then other scriptures?

Posting over and over and over again on a skeptics website is a waste of time. These posts of yours are boring and not persuasive. I highly doubt you have converted a single person. And your unwillingness to even attempt to prove any of it makes me feel sad for you.
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Old 8th January 2018, 05:52 PM   #87
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Real Islam is only in Quran
Oh that stupid hack rag. The world would be such a better place if MoMo had put his hash pipe down instead of having that stupid hallucination about the angel or whatever. Some sick little pervert has a bad trip and the world burns for centuries.

If there were a god and it really loved us, it would pretend not to exist. Instead billions believe in a sadistic prick who likes to put bricks under hats on the sidewalk. (hat tip to Douglas Adams)

The only thing holy texts are good for is wiping your ass if you're out of tissue or rolling joints. Just do the world a favor and don't image you're talking to an angel while you're toking.
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Old 8th January 2018, 07:47 PM   #88
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I dunno, I think The Big Dog may be weakening. Clear signs of hallucination are becoming evident^.
Yeah...right. Emre would have better luck with me. TBD is pretty vested in his own sky daddy.
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Old 9th January 2018, 03:59 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
He creates persons equal distance to goodness and evil in world .

He even creates a closer to the favor, the adventure that begins in the purity of a baby.

The verses in our inner order and our program are well-ordered.

However, many people choose evil with free will.

Our Lord knows without creating them, who choose goodness and who choose evil.
Surah 2 says at the beginning that unbelievers have no chance. Because Allah has put a seal on their hearts and their hearing and their eyes, and it makes no difference if you warn them or not, they will face an awful doom.
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Old 9th January 2018, 06:18 AM   #90
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Surah 2 says at the beginning that unbelievers have no chance..
If you read all the verses and the book, you will see that those who do evil and those who choose eternal evil are deflected.

Read my article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...gur-irade.html

Everyone gets what they deserve.
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Old 9th January 2018, 07:26 AM   #91
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.......Everyone gets what they deserve.
What does your book say about annoying the hell out of people by preaching crap at them when they really, really don't want to hear it? Do people who are as stupid and insensitive as to do that get what they deserve?
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Emre 1974tr, you're preaching to the wrong audience. To most of us it's like listening to a monologue about how many leprechauns can fit into a crock of gold, or how to breed unicorns. Religions are just mythologies that aren't dead yet.
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Old 9th January 2018, 07:47 AM   #93
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
If you read all the verses and the book, you will see that those who do evil and those who choose eternal evil are deflected.

Read my article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...gur-irade.html

Everyone gets what they deserve.
That is not what the Quran says.



2.6 As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

2.7 God hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
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The Koran is a crock of garbage, entirely without merit. That's why Muslims took to singing it instead of reading it, at least that way it sounds quite enticing, and people with no understanding of Arabic may even assume from the recitation that it's palatable and meaningful. Islamic scholars are without doubt some of the most ignorant people on earth.
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Islamic scholars are without doubt some of the most ignorant people on earth.
I think many of them are calculating liars who know perfectly well the Quran says the sun orbits the earth. But they make up false claims that it says the sun orbits the galaxy. They will never admit the truth, because it would empty the mosques.
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That is not what the Quran says.



2.6 As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

2.7 God hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
I am giving these verses in my article.

Read it.

If you read all the verses and the book, you will see that those who do evil and those who choose eternal evil are deflected.

Stop tweezers, read the whole verses.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/20...gur-irade.html
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I am giving these verses in my article.

Read it........
No. No-one will. Your Koran is nonsense, and your interpretation of it is irrelevant. Why would anyone here have any interest in it? Why would you think anyone would be interested? Are you collecting points from someone for spamming this irrelevant preachy crap at us?
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I think many of them are calculating liars who know perfectly well the .
Not imams, we are researchers and thinkers saying that the sun is going to a decision spot in galaxy.

The Qur'an says it clearly.

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/

If you read the book in integrity, it's not just the galaxies, it's about our adventure journey in the universes.

We're telling the truth.

But you Christian missionaries are lying.

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If you read the book in integrity, it's not just the galaxies, it's about our adventure journey in the universes.

We're telling the truth.

But you Christian missionaries are lying.
I thought it was about an opportunist who wanted to be a prophet and plagiarized the books of two other religions to give his claim some weight, and then got into a fight with the ruling classes, which he won.
But you're saying it's Star Wars? And that everyone who doesn't believe you is a Christian missionary?
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.........But you Christian missionaries are lying.
Who are you referring to? Christians are a bit thin on the ground around here, and missionaries.....well, I've never come across one on this forum.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
We're telling the truth.

But you Christian missionaries are lying.



It's so obvious you're the Xian missionary here, trying to tar Islam.

Otherwise you wouldn't be foolishly addressing us, who voted this:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=326052

It also seems you are ignorant enough as to not understand that ~2,000 is not the real number of views but a significantly lesser figure (I can picture you looking at the view count and thinking "This have public. They are pay attention to me" )
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Who are you referring to? Christians are a bit thin on the ground around here, and missionaries.....well, I've never come across one on this forum.
Well, to be fair, he is claiming an imaginary deity, so why not imaginary "christian Missionaries" as well?

I believe the only participant in this thread that is even close to christian is Scorpion and it would be bizarre in the extreme to describe him/her as a "missionary" of any stripe.

I am beginning to suspect that the OP does not comprehend that it is entirely possible to believe no deity at all. It would not be the first time I have encountered such incomprehension in a religious person. There appears to be a subset of theists who simply cannot get their heads around the very concept of believing no god/s at all.
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......I am beginning to suspect that the OP does not comprehend that it is entirely possible to believe no deity at all.......
Possible. I suspect poe. Or else someone has had a higher-up tell them to go and proslytise, and s/he has just happened to pick their audience really really badly.
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Possible. I suspect poe. Or else someone has had a higher-up tell them to go and proslytise, and s/he has just happened to pick their audience really really badly.
Alternatively, maybe this is just a safe audience for all that fan fiction. Here it just gets treated as nonsense and nobody scary's going to be knocking on the door to have a nice long chat about heresy.
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Possible. I suspect poe. Or else someone has had a higher-up tell them to go and proslytise, and s/he has just happened to pick their audience really really badly.
Oh that mandatory homework dealy that the uber religious get foisted on them by their religious betters? Yep, also a possibility. Lending weight to that is how few actual responses are given to responses made. Back up thread, he got triggered by the suggestion that he might actually be a woman. For some reason, he found that suggestion offensive enough to respond outside the obvious script and copypasta. No idea why. (That would be slightly inaccurate)

So why exactly do you suppose he thinks this is a "christian missionary" site? I can't figure that one out. It may be, as you suggest, a poor choice of target.
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Alternatively, maybe this is just a safe audience for all that fan fiction. Here it just gets treated as nonsense and nobody scary's going to be knocking on the door to have a nice long chat about heresy.
Dunno. I used to get JWs knocking on my door and mocked them mercilessly and those are scary.

Imre is simply an islamic missionary just like them. The fact that the door upon which he knocks is online as opposed to IRL is immaterial.
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So why exactly do you suppose he thinks this is a "christian missionary" site? I can't figure that one out. It may be, as you suggest, a poor choice of target.
Because we disagree with him. And we aren't Muslims. So we must be soldiers of the enemy. Part of some grand conspiracy paid by Soros the Jews GW Bush the Pope
I don't think he can conceive of someone who does not believe in God.
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Because we disagree with him. And we aren't Muslims. So we must be soldiers of the enemy. Part of some grand conspiracy paid by Soros the Jews GW Bush the Pope
I don't think he can conceive of someone who does not believe in God.
I'm not sure why I think this, but I suspect he meant to write "your" rather than "you" Christian missionaries, meaning the ones we encounter in our societies. Does anyone agree with that hypothesis?
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I think he accused posters who argued against him of being paid shills for a Christian campaign of misinformation in one of his threads, but I'm too lazy to dig it up.

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Emre is acting/performing for a perceived "public" of his, represented by those 2,000 "views" (I generated 5 7 9 of those views -to be seen when a task is run- just by posting this)

A common treat among non-professional spammers, who are indeed most alone discussing with us but they imagine a vast silent public who are undecided between his/her position and the rest of the people's. They are acting their imaginary notion for that equally imaginary public.

The fact that his video count and probably his blog's visits don't go up in spite of him/her posting them here once and again is not a hint for him. It's as simple as once you firmly believe a stupid thing, you're up to believe a million.
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I think he accused posters who argued against him of being paid shills for a Christian campaign of misinformation in one of his threads, but I'm toonlazy to dig it up.
That would argue against my hypothesis, but I'm not motivated to look such rubbish up either.
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Mohammed was a fraudulent, warmongering pederast.
And shudder-worthy precursor of Trump. Had to have his name shouted 5 times a day from minarets. Somebody doesn't agree with you? Attack! Attack until they are dead, or coughing up cash. Had Mo insisted the minarets carry his name in gold-plated letters, he'd have been Trump's ideal great- great- lotsa great- did I say great?- granddaddy.
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Old 10th January 2018, 12:53 PM   #113
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I'm not sure why I think this, but I suspect he meant to write "your" rather than "you" Christian missionaries, meaning the ones we encounter in our societies. Does anyone agree with that hypothesis?
I assumed that, albeit I assumed he meant missionaries we encountered here on the forum.
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And shudder-worthy precursor of Trump. Had to have his name shouted 5 times a day from minarets. Somebody doesn't agree with you? Attack! Attack until they are dead, or coughing up cash. Had Mo insisted the minarets carry his name in gold-plated letters, he'd have been Trump's ideal great- great- lotsa great- did I say great?- granddaddy.
If Twitter had been a thing then, Mo would have denounced the Medinan tribes that didn't support him as Fake Jews.
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I didn't say everyone here was a missionary. I see there's only a few people.

They already put a few sentries on every forum.

If you look carefully, it's easy to know. They act as if they have a belief other than Christianity.

But when the time comes, they make moves in favour of Christianity.
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Old 10th January 2018, 01:21 PM   #116
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
I didn't say everyone here was a missionary. I see there's only a few people.

They already put a few sentries on every forum.

If you look carefully, it's easy to know. They act as if they have a belief other than Christianity.

But when the time comes, they make moves in favour of Christianity.
You can identify the Christian misssionaries here because they write as if they are not Christians? But they act as if they are Christians, when the time comes. What time is that? And how do you know their acts except by what they write here?

Your post is very confusing, and not easy to understand.
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But when the time comes, they make moves in favour of Christianity.
Yes, like in saying both the bible and the quran are fairy tales
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
I didn't say everyone here was a missionary. I see there's only a few people.

They already put a few sentries on every forum.

If you look carefully, it's easy to know. They act as if they have a belief other than Christianity.

But when the time comes, they make moves in favour of Christianity.
Do you accept that most people here are atheists? That they have no faith at all? Most people here think the whole idea of faith is wrong-headed.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Not imams, we are researchers and thinkers saying that the sun is going to a decision spot in galaxy.

The Qur'an says it clearly.

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/

If you read the book in integrity, it's not just the galaxies, it's about our adventure journey in the universes.

We're telling the truth.

But you Christian missionaries are lying.
Or MoMo just made it all up because he was high and/or crazy.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
They already put a few sentries on every forum.

If you look carefully, it's easy to know. They act as if they have a belief other than Christianity...
Most people here act as if they don't have a belief.

The person here who most obviously "acts as if they have a belief other than Christianity" is you. What does that tell us?
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